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*** DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED FOR A SECOND TIME *** (392 days after the first)

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,672
    2021
    Happy Impeachment Week!
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 4,481

    Trump: I didn’t tell MAGA at the rally to attack the Capitol. They did that on their own.

    Insurrectionists: We were doing what he asked us to do.


    How’s that going to work out when they throw each other under the bus?

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • cutzcutz Posts: 10,080
    Kat said:

    Trump: I didn’t tell MAGA at the rally to attack the Capitol. They did that on their own.

    Insurrectionists: We were doing what he asked us to do.


    How’s that going to work out when they throw each other under the bus?

    They BOTH go down?
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,940
    Where did they drag Bruce Castor Jr. out from? This guy is terrible, what a terrible defense.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,627
    dignin said:
    Where did they drag Bruce Castor Jr. out from? This guy is terrible, what a terrible defense.
    They’re down to the fourth string. Of pop warner.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    Man, what a circus act...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,654
    2023
    is he really gonna go for the Chewbacca Defense?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,672
    2021
    dignin said:
    Where did they drag Bruce Castor Jr. out from? This guy is terrible, what a terrible defense.
    He was the District Attorney for where I live, Montgomery County Pennsylvania. He was the guy who let Cosby go without charging him back in the early 2000's. His career was thought to be over a few years ago when he lost election. I cannot believe this clown is representing the former president......actually, yeah I can. It makes perfect sense. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    This is the dumbest defense I have ever seen.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    I swear when I close my eyes and just listen, this guy sounds just like Saul Goodman.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,940
    tbergs said:
    I swear when I close my eyes and just listen, this guy sounds just like Saul Goodman.
    Saul was entertaining, this guy puts me to sleep.

    At least he sounds like he could be a lawyer, unlike Mr. Castor. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    dignin said:
    tbergs said:
    I swear when I close my eyes and just listen, this guy sounds just like Saul Goodman.
    Saul was entertaining, this guy puts me to sleep.

    At least he sounds like he could be a lawyer, unlike Mr. Castor. 
    True. His voice is very close though. Less entertaining and more lawyer-y. He's talking about impeaching Carter and conversations with Ken Starr...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    So weird, every time this guys takes a drink from his water bottle he puts his other hand on his head almost like he's using it to assist in tilting his head back.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,940
    tbergs said:
    So weird, every time this guys takes a drink from his water bottle he puts his other hand on his head almost like he's using it to assist in tilting his head back.
    He has a lot of unusual ticks. Swaying, lick lipping, twitching and trying to hold his head from falling off when he takes a drink.

    He says a lot of words without saying anything at all.

    I don't think Trump is going to be very happy with his defense. On appearances, which Trump holds as most important, this is a disaster.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    Here come the votes. Heard Collins an Aye.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    Murkowski an Aye.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    Seems to be same as the last vote before the trial began.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    56 - 44 on vote for constitutionality.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,672
    2021
    tbergs said:
    56 - 44 on vote for constitutionality.
    Cassidy is the one who changed his mind. Moving in the right direction! lol
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 4,481
    edited February 9
    Why did Trump's lawyer hold his head while drinking water?
    Activist and former spokesman Avi Mayer explained: “David Schoen is an Orthodox Jew. He covers his head when drinking water because that's what many observant Jews do. It is generally followed by the recitation of a blessing and is an expression of religiosity."

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,361
    Kat said:
    Why did Trump's lawyer hold his head while drinking water?
    Activist and former spokesman Avi Mayer explained: “David Schoen is an Orthodox Jew. He covers his head when drinking water because that's what many observant Jews do. It is generally followed by the recitation of a blessing and is an expression of religiosity."

    The reason why many observant Jews do this is pretty simple - in synagogue, we wear Kippahs, which tend to fall off one’s head if not clipped onto hair. What happens if you don’t have hair? Better hold onto your hat when you bow down to god! 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,654
    2023
    moscow mitch voted that it was unconstitutional. so much for him planning to vote to convict.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,654
    2023
    would have been interesting to follow trump's brain droppings on social media but he is banned from everything, haha
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,891
    edited February 9
    moscow mitch voted that it8 was unconstitutional. so much for him planning to vote to convict.

    .many are/were seeking not to have to go on record voting to convict or not.

    further remember ole mitchy baby refused to take it up before inauguration
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,627

    “I thought I knew where it was going, and I really didn’t know where it was going,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies. 

    No surprise there from Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy Graham. Nothing like sticking yer finger in the air to feel the fart, eh? And Tom I’m a Warrior hear me roar Cotton couldn’t look up at the screen for 13 minutes? Seems he didn’t experience worse in Iraq, despite his “service?” And Randy Paul doodling? Makes sense. Guess there wasn’t an eye clinic for him to host? Suckers. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,670
    Not convicting him is one thing. But nearly half of the Senate (and 88% of GQP in the Senate) are literally trying to set a precedent that a president can do anything at the end of their presidency with no fear of reprisal. They're willing to risk throwing the entire country away, either for one crazy moron or to keep the support of crazy morons (i.e., "their careers").  None of these 44 is fit to serve.  Because they all put one person (Trump or themselves) ahead of the good of the country, not just now but forever.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,672
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    OnWis97 said:
    Not convicting him is one thing. But nearly half of the Senate (and 88% of GQP in the Senate) are literally trying to set a precedent that a president can do anything at the end of their presidency with no fear of reprisal. They're willing to risk throwing the entire country away, either for one crazy moron or to keep the support of crazy morons (i.e., "their careers").  None of these 44 is fit to serve.  Because they all put one person (Trump or themselves) ahead of the good of the country, not just now but forever.
    Politically, it just makes no sense for them to continue to tie themselves to a guy who lost them the house, senate, and presidency in one single term. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,523
    OnWis97 said:
    Not convicting him is one thing. But nearly half of the Senate (and 88% of GQP in the Senate) are literally trying to set a precedent that a president can do anything at the end of their presidency with no fear of reprisal. They're willing to risk throwing the entire country away, either for one crazy moron or to keep the support of crazy morons (i.e., "their careers").  None of these 44 is fit to serve.  Because they all put one person (Trump or themselves) ahead of the good of the country, not just now but forever.
    Politically, it just makes no sense for them to continue to tie themselves to a guy who lost them the house, senate, and presidency in one single term. 
    It does if they can come roaring back in 2024 and start the 1000 year facist reich
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,672
    2021
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Not convicting him is one thing. But nearly half of the Senate (and 88% of GQP in the Senate) are literally trying to set a precedent that a president can do anything at the end of their presidency with no fear of reprisal. They're willing to risk throwing the entire country away, either for one crazy moron or to keep the support of crazy morons (i.e., "their careers").  None of these 44 is fit to serve.  Because they all put one person (Trump or themselves) ahead of the good of the country, not just now but forever.
    Politically, it just makes no sense for them to continue to tie themselves to a guy who lost them the house, senate, and presidency in one single term. 
    It does if they can come roaring back in 2024 and start the 1000 year facist reich
    Ha...well logic dictates moving in a different direction coming off all those losses. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,937
    OnWis97 said:
    Not convicting him is one thing. But nearly half of the Senate (and 88% of GQP in the Senate) are literally trying to set a precedent that a president can do anything at the end of their presidency with no fear of reprisal. They're willing to risk throwing the entire country away, either for one crazy moron or to keep the support of crazy morons (i.e., "their careers").  None of these 44 is fit to serve.  Because they all put one person (Trump or themselves) ahead of the good of the country, not just now but forever.
    What I gathered from the Trump attorneys yesterday was that Trump is now a private citizen so if a crime was committed he should be charged with a crime like a regular citizen would be. I don't disagree with that and wish that DC would grow a pair and charge him as well. The argument he brought forth focused on the grammar used in the article and mentioned that placement of the comma is what makes it unconstitutional for them to try Trump after he left office. Looks like they poached this defense from Dershowitz:

    To bolster his argument, Dershowitz points to the language of Article I Section 3, which reads:

    “Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”

    Dershowitz specifically highlights that the clause mandates senatorial judgment on removal and disqualification—not or disqualification. Thus, since a former office holder cannot be removed, that person also cannot be disqualified from office.=, the argument goes.

    One example offered by Dershowitz is the non-impeachment of an obviously guilty Richard Nixon in the wake of the Watergate scandal.

    “Beyond the constitution, there are strong policy and historical reasons an incoming administration shouldn’t seek recriminations against its predecessor. In some countries defeated former presidents and prime ministers are routinely prosecuted,” he wrote. “For the victorious Democrats to seek revenge against Donald Trump would set a terrible precedent, distract from President Biden’s agenda, and make it hard to heal the country. Better to move on.”

    Nixon, of course, resigned and was pardoned by Gerald Ford.

    Dershowitz’s constitutional argument is supported by Tulane Law School lecturer and impeachment expert Ross Garber. Garber similarly asserts that the Senate only retains jurisdiction to try a sitting president, but said the case of a different Nixon might make the argument difficult for Trump.

    https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/alan-dershowitz-says-senate-lacks-jurisdiction-to-hold-trumps-impeachment-trial/
    It's a hopeless situation...
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