*** DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED FOR A SECOND TIME *** (392 days after the first)

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  • Kat
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    Yes, I didn't think he would either but the bases are being covered; he can't ever claim he wasn't given a chance to speak in his own defense. :)

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  • Kat said:
    Yes, I didn't think he would either but the bases are being covered; he can't ever claim he wasn't given a chance to speak in his own defense. :)

    Did POOTWH cancel himself? Cancel culture is alive and well, particularly under oath.
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  • Kat
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    Kat said:
    Yes, I didn't think he would either but the bases are being covered; he can't ever claim he wasn't given a chance to speak in his own defense. :)

    Did POOTWH cancel himself? Cancel culture is alive and well, particularly under oath.
    I must have missed the explanation of POOTWH. What does that stand for? :)
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  • Kat said:
    Kat said:
    Yes, I didn't think he would either but the bases are being covered; he can't ever claim he wasn't given a chance to speak in his own defense. :)

    Did POOTWH cancel himself? Cancel culture is alive and well, particularly under oath.
    I must have missed the explanation of POOTWH. What does that stand for? :)
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  • Hobbes
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    Kat said:
    Kat said:
    Yes, I didn't think he would either but the bases are being covered; he can't ever claim he wasn't given a chance to speak in his own defense. :)

    Did POOTWH cancel himself? Cancel culture is alive and well, particularly under oath.
    I must have missed the explanation of POOTWH. What does that stand for? :)
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    Kat said:
    Kat said:
    Yes, I didn't think he would either but the bases are being covered; he can't ever claim he wasn't given a chance to speak in his own defense. :)

    Did POOTWH cancel himself? Cancel culture is alive and well, particularly under oath.
    I must have missed the explanation of POOTWH. What does that stand for? :)
    Previous Occupant Of The White House. I hence forth refuse to write or say its name, in any way, shape or form. Dustbin of history for it.
    lol thanks. I'm good with that abbreviation.
    Did you see Rachel Maddow last night revealing how he won't let people refer to him as the Former President? They can't say former. 

    So if they're saying he can't have an impeachment trial because he's no longer in office but he says he's not the former president, then....??? I can't even think typing this.   I'm done.

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  • Kat said:
    Kat said:
    Kat said:
    Yes, I didn't think he would either but the bases are being covered; he can't ever claim he wasn't given a chance to speak in his own defense. :)

    Did POOTWH cancel himself? Cancel culture is alive and well, particularly under oath.
    I must have missed the explanation of POOTWH. What does that stand for? :)
    Previous Occupant Of The White House. I hence forth refuse to write or say its name, in any way, shape or form. Dustbin of history for it.
    lol thanks. I'm good with that abbreviation.
    Did you see Rachel Maddow last night revealing how he won't let people refer to him as the Former President? They can't say former. 

    So if they're saying he can't have an impeachment trial because he's no longer in office but he says he's not the former president, then....??? I can't even think typing this.   I'm done.

    Q-Theory?
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  • Kat
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    It sounds crazy so that must be it. 

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  • mickeyrat
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    The Long Read – The Trial of Donald Trump

    Trial lawyer Steven Harper offers a synopsis of the events leading up to Trump's second impeachment trial.

    BY Steven Harper | February 5, 2021

    The Long Read – The Trial of Donald Trump

    President Donald Trump speaks during a press conference at the White House on Feb. 16, 2017. Trump berated the media repeatedly, calling CNN, The New York Times and other outlets "dishonest" and "very fake news" for reporting unfavorable stories about him. (Photo by Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post via Getty Images)

     

    [Editor’s Note:  STEVEN HARPER is a fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers]

     

    Opening Statement

     

    “How did this happen in America?”

    The answer led the House of Representatives to impeach then President Donald Trump by the largest bipartisan vote in American history. Today we continue the process of holding him accountable for incitement of insurrection against the government of the United States. The Trump Insurrection led directly to at least five deaths, injuries to 140 law enforcement officers and a scar on the heart of our democracy.

    So that we all operate from the same set of indisputable facts, let’s watch four short videos overviewing the events of January 6, starting with Just Security’s 10-minute excerpt of Trump’s 70-minute speech, which ignited an insurrection that Trump had fomented for months. Notice the mob’s reaction as Trump spoke line after incendiary line.

    The second video is the Washington Post’s 14-minute encapsulation of the 41 minutes that followed Trump’s diatribe.

    The third video, taken by a reporter for The New Yorker, is a view from inside the mob.

    The fourth and final video comes from the bodycam of a law enforcement officer trying to protect the citadel of democracy that day. Watch the mob beat him with hockey sticks and flagpoles ripped from the temporary presidential inauguration structure.

    Everything that you just saw and heard actually – indisputably – happened on January 6, 2021 in the United States of America. How did it come to this? 

    The story begins six months earlier.


    continues....

     



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  • mickeyrat
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    Opinion: Trump’s weak defense will expose the depravity of GOP senators who acquit him

    Calling for Trump impeachment, lawmakers describe trauma of Capitol attack
    Democrats and Republicans on Jan. 17 recalled personal experiences of the Capitol riots and discussed then-President Donald Trump's looming impeachment trial. (Zach Purser Brown/The Washington Post)
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    Feb. 9, 2021 at 11:01 a.m. EST

    As former president Donald Trump’s impeachment trial gets underway, the choice GOP senators face is being wildly mischaracterized. We keep hearing that they must choose between sticking with the former president or opposing him — between showing “loyalty” to Trump or not showing loyalty to him.

    In one typical framing, the Associated Press reports that the Senate trial will test “the loyalty of Trump’s Republican allies.” A CNN analysis declares GOP senators must now decide whether to pay a price for “deserting an ex-president who still dominates his party.”

    Either GOP senators are loyal to Trump, or they desert him and face the consequences: The choice is entirely framed as revolving around Trump.

    But that isn’t the choice GOP senators actually face, and describing this choice accurately is of paramount importance.

    The real choice they face is not between sticking with Trump or going against him. Rather, it’s between sticking with Trump or remaining faithful to their oath of office, which requires them to defend the Constitution against those who would undermine or destroy it, and to the oath of impartiality they take as impeachment jurors.

    Trump tried to overthrow U.S. democracy to keep himself in power illegitimately, first through corrupt legal efforts, then through nakedly extralegal means, and then by inciting intimidation and violence to disrupt the constitutionally designated process for securing the peaceful conclusion of free and fair elections.

    Trump fully intended to subvert the constitutional process designating how our elections unfold, and intended this every step of the way. GOP senators cannot remain “loyal” to Trump without breaking their oaths to execute their public positions faithfully.

    The weakness of Trump’s own defense will reveal the true contours of this choice — and demonstrate how his defenders, both on his legal team and in the GOP Senate caucus, will try to bury the inescapable nature of this choice under mounds of obfuscation.

    Trump’s laughably weak defense

    Trump’s lawyers will first argue that the Senate “lacks jurisdiction” to try Trump, on the grounds that he no longer holds office. This idea has been roundly debunked by lawyers across the political spectrum, including Chuck Cooper, a conservative legal icon.

    As Cooper argued, the Constitution provides for a Senate vote not just on removal for “high crimes and misdemeanors,” but also for “disqualification” from ever holding office again, which by definition must also apply to those who are no longer in office but might run again later.

    But the larger thrust of this “defense” is pernicious in another way.

    GOP senators hope to take refuge in the idea that former presidents are exempt to give themselves a rhetorical and political means of dodging a direct vote on whether what Trump actually did do constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors.

    This has been widely depicted as mere tactical maneuvering. But it’s much worse than that: It’s an active evasion of their own duty as public officials to defend the Constitution. This defense, then, actually unmasks their dereliction of this duty.

    Trump incited violent insurrection

    Trump’s lawyers will also argue he is not guilty of “incitement of insurrection.” They will say he didn’t “direct anyone” to carry out the attack, as he used the word “peacefully” while haranguing the mob on Jan. 6.

    And they will say that because the riots were “preplanned by a small group of criminals,” then Trump cannot have “incited” them.

    All this is pure baloney. Trump spent months urging his supporters to mobilize for war over the election results, which he said could not be legitimate if he lost, meaning a struggle to overturn them would inevitably be a righteous cause in their own defense. If some preplanned the attack, they did so at what they understood — correctly — as his direction, as their own language has confirmed.

    What’s more, if some preplanned the attack well in advance, many did not, and people in this latter group also attacked the Capitol. They, too, were incited by Trump’s haranguing leading up to and on Jan. 6.

    And if Trump intended them to be peaceful, it’s strange that he again whipped up rage at then-Vice President Mike Pence while the mob rampaged into the Capitol looking for Pence and lawmakers who were counting electoral votes. It’s also odd that as the rampage worsened, he refused entreaties to call for the very calm his lawyers claim he wanted to see.

    Acquitting Trump means declaring that these known facts do not point to high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Senators have a duty

    Senators take an oath of office to “support and defend the Constitution.” When serving as impeachment jurors, they take another oath to “do impartial justice according to the Constitution.”

    Corey Brettschneider, a constitutional scholar who focuses on the role of oaths of office in the constitutional scheme, says these two oaths complement one another.

    “That second oath doesn’t replace the first,” Brettschneider tells me. “It clarifies it.”

    In acting as jurors, Brettschneider says, senators are supposed to answer “the specific question” of whether the president is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

    “Trump tried to subvert a free and fair election by spreading disinformation, trying to force public officials to overturn the results, and riling his supporters up to attack the Capitol,” Brettschneider continued. “That is about as paradigmatic a high crime as one can get.”

    In the role of jurors, Brettschneider continues, the two oaths interlock to denote performance of their “Constitutional duty,” which precludes operating out of “partisan loyalty to a president.”

    In other words, it’s either the former or the latter. The choice is not just about whether they are going to be “loyal” to Trump or not. That idea actually undersells the extraordinary dereliction of duty GOP senators will be committing if and when they vote to acquit.



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  • The Juggler
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    Happy Impeachment Week!
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  • Kat
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    Trump: I didn’t tell MAGA at the rally to attack the Capitol. They did that on their own.

    Insurrectionists: We were doing what he asked us to do.


    How’s that going to work out when they throw each other under the bus?

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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,235
    Kat said:

    Trump: I didn’t tell MAGA at the rally to attack the Capitol. They did that on their own.

    Insurrectionists: We were doing what he asked us to do.


    How’s that going to work out when they throw each other under the bus?

    They BOTH go down?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Where did they drag Bruce Castor Jr. out from? This guy is terrible, what a terrible defense.
  • dignin said:
    Where did they drag Bruce Castor Jr. out from? This guy is terrible, what a terrible defense.
    They’re down to the fourth string. Of pop warner.
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  • tbergs
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    Man, what a circus act...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • gimmesometruth27
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    is he really gonna go for the Chewbacca Defense?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
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    dignin said:
    Where did they drag Bruce Castor Jr. out from? This guy is terrible, what a terrible defense.
    He was the District Attorney for where I live, Montgomery County Pennsylvania. He was the guy who let Cosby go without charging him back in the early 2000's. His career was thought to be over a few years ago when he lost election. I cannot believe this clown is representing the former president......actually, yeah I can. It makes perfect sense. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    This is the dumbest defense I have ever seen.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    I swear when I close my eyes and just listen, this guy sounds just like Saul Goodman.
    It's a hopeless situation...