GOP

Merkin Baller · January 2021

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

tempo_n_groove · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

benjs · January 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

Forgive me if I just don't understand the American health care system, but aren't hospitals private, meaning it would be a corporate decision to make whether to assist those individuals?

In terms of welfare (or access to drivers' licenses), I thought this had been debunked, and the only plausible option is that states aren't requiring the correct identification which would prove eligibility for these services. I don't think there's any opposition to resolving that.

One last comment - due to the exploitation of undocumented immigrants by corporations who pay below minimum wage, and do so without documenting that income, it's far easier to demonstrate the cost of undocumented immigrants than it is to demonstrate the benefits they've brought to American society.

mrussel1 · January 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

I'm not sure that's the definition of a Bill Buckley conservative right there. I don't recall the National Review being formed to stop illegal aliens as its raison d'etre. Immigration was never a wedge issue until about ten or 15 years ago.

tempo_n_groove · January 2021

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

I'm not sure that's the definition of a Bill Buckley conservative right there. I don't recall the National Review being formed to stop illegal aliens as its raison d'etre. Immigration was never a wedge issue until about ten or 15 years ago.

We are in a different time now and this is the talking points that they want addressed.

I don't understand the drivers license thing myself.

Schools too. There is a heavy burden on the school systems with ESL kids. Not enough help for teachers and a strain on budgets.

tempo_n_groove · January 2021

benjs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

Forgive me if I just don't understand the American health care system, but aren't hospitals private, meaning it would be a corporate decision to make whether to assist those individuals?

In terms of welfare (or access to drivers' licenses), I thought this had been debunked, and the only plausible option is that states aren't requiring the correct identification which would prove eligibility for these services. I don't think there's any opposition to resolving that.

One last comment - due to the exploitation of undocumented immigrants by corporations who pay below minimum wage, and do so without documenting that income, it's far easier to demonstrate the cost of undocumented immigrants than it is to demonstrate the benefits they've brought to American society.

In the US you can not be denied care. It is illegal to deny someone care whether they can pay for it or not.

In NY they are allowed to get a Drivers License. I still haven't found enough info on how they receive welfare or not. Nothing is concrete with that.

Last comment. Most undocumented do take lower wage jobs then there are the construction industry. I have witnessed the possession of stolen SS cards so they could work at prevailing wage jobs. That's pretty ballsy but it does happen quite often on bigger jobs. There have been fail safes to try and stop this but unless it's a state of the art background check this still goes on.

mrussel1 · January 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

benjs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

Forgive me if I just don't understand the American health care system, but aren't hospitals private, meaning it would be a corporate decision to make whether to assist those individuals?

In terms of welfare (or access to drivers' licenses), I thought this had been debunked, and the only plausible option is that states aren't requiring the correct identification which would prove eligibility for these services. I don't think there's any opposition to resolving that.

One last comment - due to the exploitation of undocumented immigrants by corporations who pay below minimum wage, and do so without documenting that income, it's far easier to demonstrate the cost of undocumented immigrants than it is to demonstrate the benefits they've brought to American society.

In the US you can not be denied care. It is illegal to deny someone care whether they can pay for it or not.

In NY they are allowed to get a Drivers License. I still haven't found enough info on how they receive welfare or not. Nothing is concrete with that.

Last comment. Most undocumented do take lower wage jobs then there are the construction industry. I have witnessed the possession of stolen SS cards so they could work at prevailing wage jobs. That's pretty ballsy but it does happen quite often on bigger jobs. There have been fail safes to try and stop this but unless it's a state of the art background check this still goes on.

Wouldn't you agree that if construction, farms, landscaping and other such companies actually did I9 checks and didn't hire undocumented worker, that would be a more effective way to manage the 'problem'? We hear the demonization of humans trying to give themselves a better life, but not demonization of the business owners who are drawing them here.

mickeyrat · January 2021

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

benjs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

Forgive me if I just don't understand the American health care system, but aren't hospitals private, meaning it would be a corporate decision to make whether to assist those individuals?

In terms of welfare (or access to drivers' licenses), I thought this had been debunked, and the only plausible option is that states aren't requiring the correct identification which would prove eligibility for these services. I don't think there's any opposition to resolving that.

One last comment - due to the exploitation of undocumented immigrants by corporations who pay below minimum wage, and do so without documenting that income, it's far easier to demonstrate the cost of undocumented immigrants than it is to demonstrate the benefits they've brought to American society.

In the US you can not be denied care. It is illegal to deny someone care whether they can pay for it or not.

In NY they are allowed to get a Drivers License. I still haven't found enough info on how they receive welfare or not. Nothing is concrete with that.

Last comment. Most undocumented do take lower wage jobs then there are the construction industry. I have witnessed the possession of stolen SS cards so they could work at prevailing wage jobs. That's pretty ballsy but it does happen quite often on bigger jobs. There have been fail safes to try and stop this but unless it's a state of the art background check this still goes on.

Wouldn't you agree that if construction, farms, landscaping and other such companies actually did I9 checks and didn't hire undocumented worker, that would be a more effective way to manage the 'problem'? We hear the demonization of humans trying to give themselves a better life, but not demonization of the business owners who are drawing them here.

and all those industries and more objected to laws or regs to do that very thing.

OnWis97 · January 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

I don't think that's true. There are elements of this (but don't underestimate how much they don't want US citizens getting "free stuff," either). But the main thing they want is to win. They want to win that football game. They want to beat the liberals/Democrats. This is becoming less and less about the actual impact and more about wins and losses. I don't think the "main" thing conservatives want these days has a lot to do with what happens out in society. What they truly care about can be measured on a score board.

tempo_n_groove · January 2021

OnWis97 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

I don't think that's true. There are elements of this (but don't underestimate how much they don't want US citizens getting "free stuff," either). But the main thing they want is to win. They want to win that football game. They want to beat the liberals/Democrats. This is becoming less and less about the actual impact and more about wins and losses. I don't think the "main" thing conservatives want these days has a lot to do with what happens out in society. What they truly care about can be measured on a score board.

If you are referring to politicians I would agree, the people, no. Spiking the football has become a new phenomenon but the things I highlighted are a hot button for the right.

Fully expect a caravan to be coming soon and non stop footage of it coming real soon to FOX and OAN.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2021

OnWis97 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Merkin Baller said:

The thing that worries me about this is that there is already so much anger and feeling of being "left behind" by the changes they see happening. The more they are marginalized, the more they are going to turn (even more than do already) to sources that use that sense of alienization to even further their radicalization. I wouldn't advocate compromising what is important to making the nation better for everyone, but there is a big risk in shunning them and letting the chips fall where they may.

I don't disagree, but the question remains, how do you compromise with people who are literally detached from reality?

The problem lies with GOP leadership who continues to perpetrate the sense of victim hood.

Yesterday, Matt Gaetz, referred to the constitutional mechanism of impeachment, in this case being used against a president who tried to overturn an election and incited a riot that killed a police officer, as the "zenith of cancel culture".

I don't see how we move forward with people like this.

I'm not advocating for anything at the moment, just throwing my hands up in desperation more than anything else.

How do you deal with friends and family who believe the big lie that led to five deaths at the Capitol?

If any of my friends or family truly believe the big lie, they haven't admitted as such. The most I've heard from one person is that 'there are questions that need answers' in regards to the election, but when I asked what questions, I didn't get much of a response.

As always, they are just "doing their research", "looking at it from all angles", etc. It's sad that these conspiracy peddlers have convinced their victims that they are the ones that are open minded. That we are the sheeple, etc. I do think we need to start thinking about htem as victims and figure out a way to bring friends and family members back, without alienating or shaming them.

I agree, berating people is not the way to go about it.

With that being said, I don't think there's much any of us can do other than tell the truth, and that won't be enough. Until the GOP tells the truth, it won't make a difference.

Most people think all politicians lie so them telling the truth is moot.

Main thing conservative people want is a secure border, stop giving illegals drivers licenses, and stop giving illegals free stuff whether it be welfare or medical.

The last one w the free stuff I haven't really got a good answer from research. At our local hospital they give families without benefits heavily discounted rates that you have to fill out paperwork for. I have no idea if they give it away for free. As for welfare I am not sure either as I can't find a definitive answer.

I don't think that's true. There are elements of this (but don't underestimate how much they don't want US citizens getting "free stuff," either). But the main thing they want is to win. They want to win that football game. They want to beat the liberals/Democrats. This is becoming less and less about the actual impact and more about wins and losses. I don't think the "main" thing conservatives want these days has a lot to do with what happens out in society. What they truly care about can be measured on a score board.

i would agree with tempo here. the loudest are usually the most fringe. the vast majority who voted for trump are just people who want less government and lower taxes.

OnWis97 · January 2021

Rand Paul must be in deep, right? He just seems so invested in "moving on." Trump has something on him and/or he helped plan January 6.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2021

or he's eyeing a 2024 run.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2021

OnWis97 said:

Rand Paul must be in deep, right? He just seems so invested in "moving on." Trump has something on him and/or he helped plan January 6.

POOTWH has something on all of them. ALL OF THEM. Randy Paul, Matt Getts Off, Rube, Moscow Mitchy Baby, Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy, Tom I'm A Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton, McCarthy, Wrestler Molester, ALL OF THEM. And to think Strom Thurmond kept a love child with his black housekeeper secret for decades. Anyone think these guys are squeaky clean and righteous, full of family values?

OnWis97 · January 2021

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Rand Paul must be in deep, right? He just seems so invested in "moving on." Trump has something on him and/or he helped plan January 6.

POOTWH has something on all of them. ALL OF THEM. Randy Paul, Matt Getts Off, Rube, Moscow Mitchy Baby, Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy, Tom I'm A Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton, McCarthy, Wrestler Molester, ALL OF THEM. And to think Strom Thurmond kept a love child with his black housekeeper secret for decades. Anyone think these guys are squeaky clean and righteous, full of family values?

Disappointing.

mrussel1 · January 2021

OnWis97 said:

Rand Paul must be in deep, right? He just seems so invested in "moving on." Trump has something on him and/or he helped plan January 6.

Yeah I don't get this guy. I used to disagree with him, but thought he had his principles. But in the last year or two, he's changed. Trump was hardly a libertarian.

tempo_n_groove · January 2021

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Rand Paul must be in deep, right? He just seems so invested in "moving on." Trump has something on him and/or he helped plan January 6.

POOTWH has something on all of them. ALL OF THEM. Randy Paul, Matt Getts Off, Rube, Moscow Mitchy Baby, Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy, Tom I'm A Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton, McCarthy, Wrestler Molester, ALL OF THEM. And to think Strom Thurmond kept a love child with his black housekeeper secret for decades. Anyone think these guys are squeaky clean and righteous, full of family values?

It's cute that you made names for them just like Trump did towards his opposition.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Rand Paul must be in deep, right? He just seems so invested in "moving on." Trump has something on him and/or he helped plan January 6.

POOTWH has something on all of them. ALL OF THEM. Randy Paul, Matt Getts Off, Rube, Moscow Mitchy Baby, Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy, Tom I'm A Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton, McCarthy, Wrestler Molester, ALL OF THEM. And to think Strom Thurmond kept a love child with his black housekeeper secret for decades. Anyone think these guys are squeaky clean and righteous, full of family values?

It's cute that you made names for them just like Trump did towards his opposition.

They’re not worthy of being called anything but what I’ve determined to be suitable names. Guess it only bothers you when a lib does it, eh? It’s only been four or so years, longer if you include Turd Blossom, Shrub, Darth Cheney, etc.

tempo_n_groove · January 2021

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Rand Paul must be in deep, right? He just seems so invested in "moving on." Trump has something on him and/or he helped plan January 6.

POOTWH has something on all of them. ALL OF THEM. Randy Paul, Matt Getts Off, Rube, Moscow Mitchy Baby, Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy, Tom I'm A Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton, McCarthy, Wrestler Molester, ALL OF THEM. And to think Strom Thurmond kept a love child with his black housekeeper secret for decades. Anyone think these guys are squeaky clean and righteous, full of family values?

It's cute that you made names for them just like Trump did towards his opposition.

They’re not worthy of being called anything but what I’ve determined to be suitable names. Guess it only bothers you when a lib does it, eh? It’s only been four or so years, longer if you include Turd Blossom, Shrub, Darth Cheney, etc.

No I thought he was childish too.

It is comical on how much you bashed him and yet use and continue to do so, a move from his playbook.

I do miss the P-tape reference though.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Rand Paul must be in deep, right? He just seems so invested in "moving on." Trump has something on him and/or he helped plan January 6.

POOTWH has something on all of them. ALL OF THEM. Randy Paul, Matt Getts Off, Rube, Moscow Mitchy Baby, Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy, Tom I'm A Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton, McCarthy, Wrestler Molester, ALL OF THEM. And to think Strom Thurmond kept a love child with his black housekeeper secret for decades. Anyone think these guys are squeaky clean and righteous, full of family values?

It's cute that you made names for them just like Trump did towards his opposition.

They’re not worthy of being called anything but what I’ve determined to be suitable names. Guess it only bothers you when a lib does it, eh? It’s only been four or so years, longer if you include Turd Blossom, Shrub, Darth Cheney, etc.

No I thought he was childish too.

It is comical on how much you bashed him and yet use and continue to do so, a move from his playbook.

I do miss the P-tape reference though.

Is POOTWH not worthy of being bashed? Out of office, out of mind? These fucks are why we’re at where we are. You’re entitled to your opinion but you shouldn’t be trying to cancel me. Speaking of me, I’ll do me and you do you, okay?

As for the PTape, more likely or less likely it exists?

GOP

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