*** DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED FOR A SECOND TIME *** (392 days after the first)
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2023mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?0 -
I assume that she is referring to when he was VP and the Burisma/China conspiracies. You can guarantee if introduced, over 2/3 of republicans in the house would support it. This is where America is right now. The right has no interest in changing the course they have set. There was no rebuke of Trump at the polls. If there had been, they would have followed suit, but he gained voters so those without a soul are entrenched because their local voters are on board. Even if some don't believe it and want to change, they won't because they don't know how to dispute the BS and keep their supporters. Play the game to stay in power.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
aaaaand it begins.PJNB said:
Why wait until they have the house?tbergs said:It'll be interesting in 2 1/2 years when the Republicans regain the house and Senate and vote to impeach Biden for (insert whatever reason they can find here). This impeachment proves nothing and basically is worthless because it's still 95% democrats voting on it. It just proves the political system is fucked and that we can expect this back and forth bullshit to continue. Over 100 reps voted against Biden's electoral win last week. This country is a disaster and the same things we're saying about Trump are what the new Trumplicans will be saying about Biden, only it will sound batshit to us. There's no reasoning with people who are that far gone.
Don't like who was voted in? Impeach them.
abuse of what power? may be pres elect but until jan 20 at noon he is still a private citizen.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?very poor comparison. Given both the actual intelligence and the emotional intelligence of a PJ crowd vs trumps base.further had any fans actual took ed up on the suggestion, he would have been just as culpable as fuckstick is here._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone.
Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally?0 -
Because Eddie said it once at concert you attended isn’t quite the same as what Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat has been doing. Were you not drawing some comparison about words and their meaning? Tsk tsk indeed.tempo_n_groove said:mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
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Thank youMerkin Baller said:
Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone.
Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally?Scio me nihil scire
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It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series. Right after DTE I believe.tbergs said:
It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.
This is why we have a divide in the country. People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.0 -
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My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said. He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter. Manson is a whole other ball of wax.Merkin Baller said:
Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone.
Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally?
Manson actually controlled people.0 -
2023
I just ignore you for the most part now actually, except this time.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because Eddie said it once at concert you attended isn’t quite the same as what Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat has been doing. Were you not drawing some comparison about words and their meaning? Tsk tsk indeed.tempo_n_groove said:mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
Like I worry whether people take me seriously or literally. Or did you mean “you” in the general sense? Tsk tsk tsk, c’est le ce.0 -
i think the main difference why people are dismissing it is because of the sheer scale that trump did it on compared to ed saying it to one crowd one time. trump has been inciting crowds against minorities, "radical leftist democrats", the media, etc, for literally years. he holds rallies with tens of thousands and telling people he'd love to knock the hell out of people, shouts conspiracy theories and inciting violence on twitter, opining about the good ol days where the cops could assault suspects, wanting to lock up his political opponents, etc.tempo_n_groove said:
It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series. Right after DTE I believe.tbergs said:
It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.
This is why we have a divide in the country. People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.
I understand where you're coming from, but to be fair, that comparison just can't be made.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
This, like so many things, is more nuanced than the internet usually accommodates.
Common sense tells me that Trump was, at best, irresponsible in his riling up an angry mob full of people that are cultishly devoted to him. For that I blame him. He'd have to be stupid (oh, oh) to not realize the possible danger in lighting the fuse he was lighting. Legally, can he be blamed? I don't know. Just like it's my job to not bring a pitchfork when I'm trying to get my elected representative to start behaving properly, it was each member of the mob's job to be peaceful and not break in.
I think biggest difference between your Eddie example and this is the immediacy of it. They were a few blocks from the very activity that was going to finalize Trump's loss and the concert was in no such proximity during an un-related even. Common sense (again, I can't articulate legal differences) tells me 1) that the fans aren't going to exit the building and do anything and 2) that it was metaphorical. On the other hand, Trump actually sent people in the direction of the capital (and implied he'd go with them, but, you know bone spurs). And the immediate danger of the situation was far more prevalent in this case.
Legally, I don't know how culpable he his on what we know* but I do think it was irresponsible and a clear indication that he should not be president for the next four hours, much less the next four years.
*I think it's very possible it was more than off the cuff and that the mob did what he wanted him to do and that this was facilitated by a discussion amongst the white nationalists that were later (earlier) seen dancing to 1980s music. I even think it's possible the GOP or Team Trump sent some of the zip tie guys in, using the idiot mob as camouflage. But at this point, that's not proven. If that ever comes out, we have a whole new conversation.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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It was a bullshit comparison. Sorry you disagree with that. Hmmmmm, let me give this some serious thought. Eddie says something once about politicians at a show in 2000 and it automatically is equivalent to what Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat has been doing for the past 4 to 5 years, at his rallies, on social media and with an echo chamber of right wing media to amplify and legitimate a bullshit message. Sure, same-same. And when you get called out on it, you ridicule those who disagree with your preposterous comparison. Talk about a divide? Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsktempo_n_groove said:
It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series. Right after DTE I believe.tbergs said:
It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.
This is why we have a divide in the country. People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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What the hell did your uncle do to get to interview Manson? I read Helter Skelter when it came out as a kid. Those folks were whacked.tempo_n_groove said:
My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said. He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter. Manson is a whole other ball of wax.Merkin Baller said:
Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone.
Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally?
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Chris, when one applies facts and rules of logic to your argument and finds it faulty, that's not a dismissal right off the bat. It's a disqualification based on a priori knowledge, not reactionary opinion.tempo_n_groove said:
It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series. Right after DTE I believe.tbergs said:
It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.
This is why we have a divide in the country. People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.
We have a divide in this country because idiots refuse to apply facts and rules of logic to their arguments; they believe and react and disregard the wealth of collected knowledge at their fingertips for misinformation/opinions that simply reinforce their beliefs and reactions.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
That’s so interesting! Only a few people have been able to interview him, so I am very curious who your uncle is (I don’t expect you to tell me, just fascinated). I bet he has some interesting things to say about the experience. Manson is definitely a “different” case. The studying of him in my forensic psychology course was intriguing.tempo_n_groove said:
My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said. He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter. Manson is a whole other ball of wax.Merkin Baller said:
Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone.
Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally?
Manson actually controlled people.
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Someone brought up Manson which was 50 years ago...Halifax2TheMax said:
It was a bullshit comparison. Sorry you disagree with that. Hmmmmm, let me give this some serious thought. Eddie says something once about politicians at a show in 2000 and it automatically is equivalent to what Tricky Team Trump TREASON Tax Cheat has been doing for the past 4 to 5 years, at his rallies, on social media and with an echo chamber of right wing media to amplify and legitimate a bullshit message. Sure, same-same. And when you get called out on it, you ridicule those who disagree with your preposterous comparison. Talk about a divide? Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsktempo_n_groove said:
It's the Louisiana 2000 bootleg series. Right after DTE I believe.tbergs said:
It was a poor comparison and a knock on how this band actually conducts itself. Also, I don't know of the comment you mentioned and question the wording and context. Not to knock on you, but sometimes we aren't very good at recalling things and it is almost impposible for anyone to refute what you said because it's a vague reference. Eddie may make some borderline comments at times, but there is nothing that could ever compare to what has happened the last several months and years.
Pointing out that sometimes people don't take you seriously or literally. That was obviously my point that was missed... Tsk tsk.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or did PJ have over 600 concerts over 4 years where Eddie said that and 15,000+ fans followed them around? And Eddie stepped in front of a camera, mic or got on Twitter and spewed baseless lies about those politicians at every turn? Sure they and he did, sure. Same-same.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I remember a PJ concert where vedder said " Let's go after them(politicians) w pitchforks and sticks w flames on it" Do you think the crowd took him seriously? He did say to contact your lobbyist afterwards but still. People may have taken Trump too literally, which is what did happen.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll say it again.Merkin Baller said:
Assembling, inciting & sending a mob to lynch the VP doesn't deserve impeachment?tempo_n_groove said:
It's easy to get impeached twice when the dems run the house?gimmesometruth27 said:seriously though. how stupid do you have to be to get impeached TWICE??
2 time popular vote loser
2 times impeached.
candidate with the most votes ever cast against.
he is the world champion of being impeached.
I don't know why everyone is excited about this. The house still has a great divide in it. Only 10 republicans voted for it? That's 200 people that do not see eye to eye at all. That is what worries me most. What do they see that others aren't?
Telling me that their party is full of racists and bigots isn't a constructive answer either so let's refrain from that.
Extorting the president of Ukraine to influence the American election doesn't deserve impeachment?
WHY does half of the senate disagree w you, the democrats and 10 republicans that voted for it? Why does half the country still vote for Trump?
Huge disconnect.
I heard Trumps speech and I will defend it in this, he did not have a lynch mob to go after the Vice President. That to me is stretching it a bit too much.
He did rally the troops though.
was still a result of his call to march ON the capitol and to fight like hell.
Again, I do believe that he incited the crowd to go to the capitol but the actions that those frenzied people were in, is of a mob mentality. He started it for sure.
did anyone go after any politicians?
I love how I cite something just to make a point yet no one wants to agree with it.
This is why we have a divide in the country. People dismiss things right off the bat if they don't agree with it.
The message was that things should not be taken literally or choose to take something out of context. Trump never said to go hang someone or build a noose, but it happened and a person on here wants him responsible for that yet someone else pointed out the intelligence of the crowd. Trying to blame him for those actions I do not agree with. It was a stretch which was my point but took a tangent.
Anything that somewhat reflects like defending Trump never goes well on here. It is a country divided and I really wanted to try and grasp that concept further because it really is mind boggling as I don't think Trump is fit for office but 75million thought he is.
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If you are really interested in that part of the story I will share it here. It's public knowledge, meaning it's out there and my uncle was kind of a whackadoo.Halifax2TheMax said:
What the hell did your uncle do to get to interview Manson? I read Helter Skelter when it came out as a kid. Those folks were whacked.tempo_n_groove said:
My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said. He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter. Manson is a whole other ball of wax.Merkin Baller said:
Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone.
Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally?
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I am interested in that story. I remember Manson and the trial from the news as a kid and then I read Helter Skelter. Then of course Squeaky Fromme tries to shoot Ford and they keep coming up for parole. Crazy.tempo_n_groove said:
If you are really interested in that part of the story I will share it here. It's public knowledge, meaning it's out there and my uncle was kind of a whackadoo.Halifax2TheMax said:
What the hell did your uncle do to get to interview Manson? I read Helter Skelter when it came out as a kid. Those folks were whacked.tempo_n_groove said:
My Uncle interviewed Manson and I will say this, he had the ability to have people do whatever he said. He had quite a few Manson disciples show up at his doorstep or in his house for that matter. Manson is a whole other ball of wax.Merkin Baller said:
Should Charles Manson have gone to jail? He didn't kill anyone.
Sure, he incited his followers to go commit murder, but is it his fault people took him literally?
Manson actually controlled people.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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