The coronavirus

what dreams · December 2020

mcgruff10 said:

I just found out that teachers in NJ will be getting the vaccine during phase 1b: Those frontline workers include some 30 million people, including first responders such as firefighters and police, educators, including teachers, support staff and daycare workers, those who work in food and agriculture, manufacturing, corrections workers, U.S. Postal Service workers, public transit workers and grocery workers.

So I am not antivaxx at all but for some reason am a little worried about getting a vaccine that was made so quickly. Any thoughts? Does everyone here plan to get the vaccine once it becomes available?

I'm conflicted about it for sure. I have reservations about long-term side effects, things that don't show up right away. I was having a conversation with my SIL nurse who is also reluctant, and she's like "What happens if you end up with Alzheimers in 5 years and nobody knew?" I also find it sketchy that it only prevents symptoms from developing. It doesn't actually prevent contraction of the virus itself. That seems weird to me, that I could be walking around with this latent virus and who knows how long the vaccine works to keep the symptoms at bay.
I should add I have never taken a flu vaccine in my life, and I've actually never developed flu. I know, I know -- it's not the fucking flu. I'm just not one to take medicines unless it's totally necessary. My mom with heart failure has been on a cocktail of heart medications (BP, high lipids) for 30+ years and when I looked at the literature for her heart medicine, heart failure is an effect of long-term use for several of them. Go figure. Her anti-depressant can cause arythmia over the long term, so now she's got an arythmia. So now she's taking a blood thinner to prevent stroke from the arythmia, and the safety literature on that blood thinner cautions that it can cause the stroke it's supposed to prevent. It's just fucked up, modern medicine, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't know what I'm going to do. Right now, I'm inclined to just keep washing my hands, wearing a mask, and staying away from people. It's not that hard to do and I will probably have the same amount of protection as the vaccine.

rgambs · December 2020

brianlux said:

I had a package that needed to be sent today and the P.O. has been crazy busy lately so I got there before opening and got in line in the lobby. This lady comes in and stands behind me with no mask. I said, "Excuse me, do you have a mask?" She says, "No, I don't play that game." I firmly replies, "Well OK, but will you please stay away from me!" She asked the guy behind her if he wanted to go in front of her. He said yes and was wearing a mask. That lady was a real hemorrhoid.

I am sure she thought the same about you.
Only one of you was right, and it sure as shit wasn't you lol

brianlux · December 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

I had a package that needed to be sent today and the P.O. has been crazy busy lately so I got there before opening and got in line in the lobby. This lady comes in and stands behind me with no mask. I said, "Excuse me, do you have a mask?" She says, "No, I don't play that game." I firmly replies, "Well OK, but will you please stay away from me!" She asked the guy behind her if he wanted to go in front of her. He said yes and was wearing a mask. That lady was a real hemorrhoid.

it's not indoor mask mandatory where you are, brian?

Yes and no. There is a state mandate for masks and the P.O. has clear signs in the windows saying masks are required, but our Hell Dorado County Sheriff's office in all their glory and wisdumb decided they will not enforce it and people like this lady (most of whom are Trump fans) know it and flaunt their ability to get away with being shitty about not wearing a mask.

F Me In The Brain said:

Indoor mask mandatory doesn't mean they can/will enforce.
You know, cause 'Merica, and we shoot people who try to limit our freedom. :(

Exactly!

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

I had a package that needed to be sent today and the P.O. has been crazy busy lately so I got there before opening and got in line in the lobby. This lady comes in and stands behind me with no mask. I said, "Excuse me, do you have a mask?" She says, "No, I don't play that game." I firmly replies, "Well OK, but will you please stay away from me!" She asked the guy behind her if he wanted to go in front of her. He said yes and was wearing a mask. That lady was a real hemorrhoid.

I am sure she thought the same about you.
Only one of you was right, and it sure as shit wasn't you lol

Haha! Could be! The difference being, in my humble opinion, is that I may have had a hemorrhoid, but that's better than being a hemorrhoid!

lastexitlondon · December 2020

I will take vaccine this minute but sadly its sept before im allowed

Zod · December 2020

mcgruff10 said:

I just found out that teachers in NJ will be getting the vaccine during phase 1b: Those frontline workers include some 30 million people, including first responders such as firefighters and police, educators, including teachers, support staff and daycare workers, those who work in food and agriculture, manufacturing, corrections workers, U.S. Postal Service workers, public transit workers and grocery workers.

So I am not antivaxx at all but for some reason am a little worried about getting a vaccine that was made so quickly. Any thoughts? Does everyone here plan to get the vaccine once it becomes available?

1. When I read your list, my brain interpreted it as a list of the most useful people to society. Kind of interesting

2. Yes, I do think I'll get the vaccine once it's available to me. I'm done with this shit. I want to go to concerts, I want to travel again. We won't be able to do these things unless enough people get the vaccine :(

23scidoo · December 2020

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-resilience-ranking/

23scidoo · December 2020

https://youtu.be/5ZEpdy_MbhY

JeBurkhardt · December 2020

mcgruff10 said:

I just found out that teachers in NJ will be getting the vaccine during phase 1b: Those frontline workers include some 30 million people, including first responders such as firefighters and police, educators, including teachers, support staff and daycare workers, those who work in food and agriculture, manufacturing, corrections workers, U.S. Postal Service workers, public transit workers and grocery workers.

So I am not antivaxx at all but for some reason am a little worried about getting a vaccine that was made so quickly. Any thoughts? Does everyone here plan to get the vaccine once it becomes available?

I work in the maintenance department of a correctional facility that has had large numbers of staff and offenders test positive, get sick and have had a couple of fatalities. We just got an email telling us that the State is receiving doses of the Moderna vaccine to be used at our facility for staff and offenders. It is voluntary, but they are strongly urging everyone to get it. Being rural Indiana, of course there are a large number of people who are saying they won't get it. I am definitely going to get it. I am in good health, but I am 52 and I am a runner. Some people who get the virus have had lingering issues with their lungs. I want to avoid that if I can.

bbiggs · December 2020

IL had the fewest number of cases yesterday in 2 months. Just shy of 4,700 vs. just shy of 12,800 mid-November. Small piece of the big picture, but great news, especially with the supposed post-Thanksgiving surge on top of the surge that was predicted.

F Me In The Brain · December 2020

Good news for both of the posts above...

HughFreakingDillon · December 2020

i saw a vaccine expert on CNN a few weeks back addressing the possibility of long term effects not yet known for the covid vaccine: he said that in almost all cases, long term effects make themselves known in the first 40 or so days after the vaccine is taken. and that window had already been gone through during the trial phase. and here is more info:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/long-term-side-effects-developed-too-quickly-covid-vaccine-concerns-answered/VKH2JZ7JBJGKJJF2LMQTYQ4VSU/

One worry people have is if there will be long-term side effects of a COVID vaccine, months or years down the road.

“We can never fully exclude the possibility, but it’s going to be very rare - one in a 100 million, or one in 10 million,” said Deborah Fuller, Ph.D, who is a vaccine scientist with UW Medicine.

Fuller said the chances of long-term complications are extremely unlikely because of how vaccines work.

“Most of their job is done in the first few days, then the vaccine is gone from your body. So what’s left is that immune response to the vaccine,” Fuller said.

Others have voiced concerns about the new technology behind Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines, which use mRNA - the first vaccines to use such technology.

“Actually, mRNA vaccines have the potential to be even safer,” Fuller said. Most existing vaccines use inactivated or dead virus, but the new method avoids that.

“We don’t actually have to use the pathogen itself. There is no risk in those vaccine preparations of actually having a virus or not sufficiently inactivated, as is the case with the majority of the vaccines we currently take,” Fuller said.

Some are also worried about how fast the COVID vaccines were developed. But experts want to make sure you know - corners were not cut.

“Before a vaccine is licensed for use in a population, all of those steps have to be completed and all of those safety checkmarks made,” Fuller said. “The acceleration is actually due to an overlapping of the steps it takes to get a vaccine approved,” she said.

There are still many unknowns -- like how long the immunity will last, or how a vaccine’s effectiveness varies among demographics.

But the bottom line?

“People should not be hesitant to take this,” Bustillos said. “We should be concerned and vigilant. But these things should not amount to a decision not to take it, or even to wait and see,” he said.

lastexitlondon · December 2020

Great science. Always wonderful to read facts

oftenreading · December 2020

what dreams said:

mcgruff10 said:

I just found out that teachers in NJ will be getting the vaccine during phase 1b: Those frontline workers include some 30 million people, including first responders such as firefighters and police, educators, including teachers, support staff and daycare workers, those who work in food and agriculture, manufacturing, corrections workers, U.S. Postal Service workers, public transit workers and grocery workers.

So I am not antivaxx at all but for some reason am a little worried about getting a vaccine that was made so quickly. Any thoughts? Does everyone here plan to get the vaccine once it becomes available?

I'm conflicted about it for sure. I have reservations about long-term side effects, things that don't show up right away. I was having a conversation with my SIL nurse who is also reluctant, and she's like "What happens if you end up with Alzheimers in 5 years and nobody knew?" I also find it sketchy that it only prevents symptoms from developing. It doesn't actually prevent contraction of the virus itself. That seems weird to me, that I could be walking around with this latent virus and who knows how long the vaccine works to keep the symptoms at bay.
I should add I have never taken a flu vaccine in my life, and I've actually never developed flu. I know, I know -- it's not the fucking flu. I'm just not one to take medicines unless it's totally necessary. My mom with heart failure has been on a cocktail of heart medications (BP, high lipids) for 30+ years and when I looked at the literature for her heart medicine, heart failure is an effect of long-term use for several of them. Go figure. Her anti-depressant can cause arythmia over the long term, so now she's got an arythmia. So now she's taking a blood thinner to prevent stroke from the arythmia, and the safety literature on that blood thinner cautions that it can cause the stroke it's supposed to prevent. It's just fucked up, modern medicine, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't know what I'm going to do. Right now, I'm inclined to just keep washing my hands, wearing a mask, and staying away from people. It's not that hard to do and I will probably have the same amount of protection as the vaccine.

Why do you think this is weird? This is how our immune systems work. This is what happens to you every day - you walk around being exposed to a multitude of different potential pathogens and your immune system prevents you from getting sick.

Rationalizations like these are going to keep the pandemic going.

Spiritual_Chaos · December 2020

Then what was the mistake they did with the swine flu vaccin?

Meltdown99 · December 2020

Ford rips Trudeau government for failing to secure border as Ontario imposes strict new lockdowns | London Free Press (lfpress.com)

Borders have never been closed. Just another Trudeau lie...

Close the fucking border to all international arrivals...

And if Canadians insist on leaving...they should have to quarantine upon return at a hotel monitored by CBP.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2020

when did trudeau ever claim the borders were completely closed? all that was said was the canadian/american border was closed to leisure travel, with exceptions.

oftenreading · December 2020

Yeah, the rules and regulations around who is allowed through the border into Canada and for what reasons are laid out in detail on the federal government website. But hey, facts and all.

Completely unrealistic to think we can completely close the border to all commercial and essential personal travel, and also pointless. Fewer than 1.5% of COVID cases have come from international arrivals

HughFreakingDillon · December 2020

the future of pandemics:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/africa/drc-forest-new-virus-intl/index.html

Meltdown99 · December 2020

oftenreading said:

Yeah, the rules and regulations around who is allowed through the border into Canada and for what reasons are laid out in detail on the federal government website. But hey, facts and all.

Completely unrealistic to think we can completely close the border to all commercial and essential personal travel, and also pointless. Fewer than 1.5% of COVID cases have come from international arrivals

What facts are you even talking about? The fact remain, the border IS NOT CLOSED. If you are not a citizen of Canada or do not have residency...then they have no business entering Canada...if you are leaving, upon returning they should have to check into a hotel for 14 days at their expense monitored by CBP.

Jeesh. The government tries to tell me I can not got 20 miles to visit relatives...but they have no problem with these SELFISH people coming and going...

brianlux · December 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

the future of pandemics:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/africa/drc-forest-new-virus-intl/index.html

That virus x is a scary thing and as much as few if anyone wants it to happen, from a science perspective, the possibility of a major pandemic with far greater mortality rates than COVID is not surprising. It's what nature does to control population and restore balances. Our huge numbers and our propensity to travel more broadly because of our modes of transportation have set into motion a response from nature that sucks, but makes perfect sense. If we learned to curb our growing numbers and didn't travel as much as we do, we would improve our chances of survival. But having kids is a natural instinct and travel is fascinating and enjoyable, so I guess we just can't have it both ways in doing what is natural and what we want without consequences.

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