2021 European Tour Announcement

FR181798 said:

While things will hopefully return to some sort of normality by Summer next year I personally think we are going to need a bit more time. Time to adjust, venues arent going to go from zero to 10,000, vaccines would need to be rolled out across all countries and for cases to drop to a very low level. Until that happens I cant see arena's being filled and foreign travel back to normal. I would rather they cancel and we could have 2022 to look forward to. Ive got a ticket for Vienna, bought direct from the Venue, no monetary refund. Would rather 2021 is just a period of adjustment and then I could make proper plans for 2022.

50% of EU and NA population are going to refuse the vaccine. That is a given. Then there will be others that want it but want to wait a year or two since its "new". Unless we have a global wide mandatory vaccine cases are always going to be around until we build enough of the population up to the herd immunity with cases/vaccines. Then of course it could be a yearly strain that needs a vaccine annually like the flu shot. Then what? 

The bottom line for me is if the news is correct I would go to a concert no problem. If we have a working vaccine that is 90% effective and it has already been given to the old/sick/vulnerable and is now available to anyone that wants it in April the shows can go on at full capacity as far as I am concerned. If that is not what we have been waiting for what is it? 

I am hopefully not coming off strong with my messaging for those that are hesitant or thinking we need longer time to go back to normal. I get it and respect that opinion. However I just do not see still holding up normal life if, and its a big if, the news is right and the vaccine can be given to you and I in April. 

I would go to a concert tomorrow with a mask.  I may quarantine afterwards and work from home for a week, but I have zero personal concern based on the percentage of serious cases and my age/health.   I'm also single with no kids so I don't have any concerns from that perspective. My concern would be if I would need to be around high risk individuals and I can control that. 

That said, I put the Euro tour at 55/45 right now.  Like someone said they can't just turn the switch back on right away.  I don't think the vaccine will roll out fast enough and there are so many countries involved.  Perhaps 80% of the tour happens and 20% gets canceled. 

If shows were happening I think I would go. I just think that summer 21 is too early even with a vaccine coming soon. Especially with the logistics of administering a vaccine to millions of people and being in Europe and having to cross multiple borders.
2022 is a way safer bet if you don’t want half empty arenas because people are scared or haven’t been selected for the vaccine yet because they’re not a risk group 

PJNB said:

BlueLedbetter said:

The UK plans to administer 1 million doses per week so wont be done by the summer if that is what actually happens would make hyde park at least touch and go 

There are 66 million people in the UK. How is that not enough time if there is a vaccine by the end of the year? 

That's 66 weeks it's only about 30 odd till hyde park 

PJNB said:

BlueLedbetter said:

PJNB said:

BlueLedbetter said:

The UK plans to administer 1 million doses per week so wont be done by the summer if that is what actually happens would make hyde park at least touch and go 

There are 66 million people in the UK. How is that not enough time if there is a vaccine by the end of the year? 

That's 66 weeks it's only about 30 odd till hyde park 

ya my math was off lol. I was thinking 66 days. The question remains how many people need to be vaccinated to return to normal. Going to be interesting to see how each country does things when this starts to roll out.

Obviously not everyone that's why I think it will be touch and go if they do enough to feel things can open up more 

PJNB said:

BlueLedbetter said:

PJNB said:

BlueLedbetter said:

PJNB said:

BlueLedbetter said:

The UK plans to administer 1 million doses per week so wont be done by the summer if that is what actually happens would make hyde park at least touch and go 

There are 66 million people in the UK. How is that not enough time if there is a vaccine by the end of the year? 

That's 66 weeks it's only about 30 odd till hyde park 

ya my math was off lol. I was thinking 66 days. The question remains how many people need to be vaccinated to return to normal. Going to be interesting to see how each country does things when this starts to roll out.

Obviously not everyone that's why I think it will be touch and go if they do enough to feel things can open up more 

Euro 2021 will be the biggest tell of what will happen for PJ next summer I think. If they have full and packed stadiums then obviously Pearl Jam would probably follow suit. That is what I will be watching in the early months of 2021 and see what they are leaning towards doing. Also though in Japan the summer Olympics will say a lot too. 

There are rumours of moving euros to Russia rather than have people travelling all over. As you say if that happens it will be an indication of what happens with the tour 

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe the shows will happen with a proof of vaccine.  PJ’s way of pushing people to get it.

Again, 21 would be too early for that because it’s going to take a while vaccinating everybody 

JPPJ84 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe the shows will happen with a proof of vaccine.  PJ’s way of pushing people to get it.

Again, 21 would be too early for that because it’s going to take a while vaccinating everybody 

Don’t disagree.  But if you have the anti-vaccine or wait crowd sitting out of the line it may allow for people that want to get the vaccine to go to concerts or travel or whatever  to get sooner.

Euro 2021 will be the biggest tell of what will happen for PJ next summer I think. If they have full and packed stadiums then obviously Pearl Jam would probably follow suit. That is what I will be watching in the early months of 2021 and see what they are leaning towards doing. Also though in Japan the summer Olympics will say a lot too. 

Cant see any fans being at Euro 2021 to be honest. People criss crossing countries following their team. Hopefully we will see some normality by the start of the domestic 21-22 seasons here in the UK but not sure there will be full stadiums. Would need to be enough time for a vaccine being rolled out to the vulnerable and bring the number of severe cases down significantly. I cant imagine they are going to give the world the vaccine, in my 40s so will be bottom of the list. 

Gravey1975 said:

There's obviously economic pressure for governments to reopen society as much as possible. So how many need to be vaccinated before things open back up? As some have already mentioned - a sizeable number are idiotic anti-vaxxers. Meanwhile the sheer logistical challenge of getting a population vaccinated in one fell swoop means that it could take a long time to get a good proportion done, by which time those who were in the initial wave might even need top-ups. We dont know. But I foresee a situation where governments are going to have to reopen well before perhaps even half are vaccinated. Make sure the vulnerable and elderly are safe, and the rest - who will most likely be ill but not require hospital treatment - will have to take personal responsibility for their own safety.

It is projected right now in the USA that all vulnerable people from the virus will get their shot/shots before April. I would assume other countries are following the same timeline. That leaves plenty of time for those that are not vulnerable to get the shot as well and have things open up next summer. It is very doable  barring no large hiccups. If that timeline holds I am a bit surprised at all of the people on this board still think shows should not happen next year. If the vulnerable are protected months before the shows what else are we waiting for to open up to going to concerts again?