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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,137
    Biden
    Withholding stimulus from the people because you wanted a plethora of items having nothing to do with Covid in it? Dirty. billions of $ to bail out blue states poorly run that had nothing to do with Covid? dirty as well. Pushing a false narrative just because you don’t like an elected president? Dirty.  Claiming “smoking gun” evidence time after time after time while having none? That’s a check in the dirty box. Planning to eliminate the electoral college because you lost according to the rules? Yep, dirty again.  Wanting to pack the court because once again you lost so “the rules aren’t fair, waaah”... yeah, that’s not only dirty, but lame too.  Both sides are fucked, to be sure, but acting like the right is the only clown in the circus is disingenuous and  dirty too.
    i never said both sides didn't have their faults. i was responding to your specific claim that dems played dirty. goal posts are meant to stay in place. 

    the rest of your post is nonsense and easily debated, again, not even worth it. again, you say you don't pay attention to any MSM talking points on either side, yet every single one of them is from breitbart and/or fox primetime. 

    it's the same old cycle with you and a few others every few weeks. 
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    edited October 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Devon Archer plead guilty to fraud related to dealing with native American tribes.  This had nothing to do with Hunter, china, Burisma or Joe.  Same with Cooney.  You literally just posted the Jared example on how it doesn't implicate Trump, but you are now saying some business partners that were convicted of doing something that had nothing to do with Hunter Biden somehow implicates Joe Biden?  Are you out of your fucking mind?  Can you not keep your arguments cogent inter-post?

    Edit - on the 'phone call'.  Dude.. that loan guarantee was the official position of the Obama administration and the EU.  Are you saying that he committed a crime in carrying out the official actions of the US Gov't?  It would take you 2 minutes of research to learn about the official US position in Ukraine.

    You've been fooled AGAIN!  
    It wasn’t official us position to pressure a foreign country to fire a  prosecutor investigating corruption of a company based in that country (Burisma).  Biden withheld a billion $ until they fired the prosecutor.  Extortion is not official us policy.  

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iV-AS2USrH8


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  • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/amp/

    That’s a lot of sanctions and action against Russia for someone so in bed with Putin 🤔
    You didn't answer my question though. And an edited Youtube video does not an investigation resulting in an indictment make.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,600
    Biden
    It wasn’t official us position to pressure a foreign country to fire a  prosecutor investigating corruption of a company based in that country (Burisma).  Biden withheld a billion $ until they fired the prosecutor.  Extortion is not official us policy.  

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iV-AS2USrH8


    The fuck it wasn't.  We pressure countries every day to do things we want them to do in exchange for loan guarantees, arm sales, humanitarian aid, etc.  Are you really so naive that you don't think this happens?  The Obama admin refused to guarantee it until they fired the corrupt prosecutor.  How do you not know these things?  https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/news/Pages/Ukraine-Loan-Guarantee-Signing.aspx

    US Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew said that the $1 billion loan guarantee underscores Washington's continued support for the economic reform agenda of the Ukrainian government of President Petro Poroshenko.

    "Since we signed our first loan guarantee agreement one year ago, Ukraine has worked closely with the IMF, the World Bank, the United States, and other members of the international community to implement a robust reform program that will help stabilize Ukraine's economy and lay the groundwork for future growth and prosperity," Lew said in a statement.

    "Ukraine has taken critical reforms already, and its commitment to making a decisive break with the corruption and stagnation of the past is clear. This progress must continue so that the people of Ukraine can realize the prosperity and stability they deserve."

  • mrussel1 said:
    The fuck it wasn't.  We pressure countries every day to do things we want them to do in exchange for loan guarantees, arm sales, humanitarian aid, etc.  Are you really so naive that you don't think this happens?  The Obama admin refused to guarantee it until they fired the corrupt prosecutor.  How do you not know these things?  https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/news/Pages/Ukraine-Loan-Guarantee-Signing.aspx

    US Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew said that the $1 billion loan guarantee underscores Washington's continued support for the economic reform agenda of the Ukrainian government of President Petro Poroshenko.

    "Since we signed our first loan guarantee agreement one year ago, Ukraine has worked closely with the IMF, the World Bank, the United States, and other members of the international community to implement a robust reform program that will help stabilize Ukraine's economy and lay the groundwork for future growth and prosperity," Lew said in a statement.

    "Ukraine has taken critical reforms already, and its commitment to making a decisive break with the corruption and stagnation of the past is clear. This progress must continue so that the people of Ukraine can realize the prosperity and stability they deserve."

    Not to mention it was aligned with our EU and NATO allies but not what putin on the ritz wanted, sanctions or no. Funny that.
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    mrussel1 said:
    The fuck it wasn't.  We pressure countries every day to do things we want them to do in exchange for loan guarantees, arm sales, humanitarian aid, etc.  Are you really so naive that you don't think this happens?  The Obama admin refused to guarantee it until they fired the corrupt prosecutor.  How do you not know these things?  https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/news/Pages/Ukraine-Loan-Guarantee-Signing.aspx

    US Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew said that the $1 billion loan guarantee underscores Washington's continued support for the economic reform agenda of the Ukrainian government of President Petro Poroshenko.

    "Since we signed our first loan guarantee agreement one year ago, Ukraine has worked closely with the IMF, the World Bank, the United States, and other members of the international community to implement a robust reform program that will help stabilize Ukraine's economy and lay the groundwork for future growth and prosperity," Lew said in a statement.

    "Ukraine has taken critical reforms already, and its commitment to making a decisive break with the corruption and stagnation of the past is clear. This progress must continue so that the people of Ukraine can realize the prosperity and stability they deserve."

    That would all make sense if hunter wasn’t the Vice President’s son, sitting on the board of said company being investigated.  There lies the crime.  You don’t see any conflict of interest of extortion being used to protect a family member?
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,917
    Biden
    Joe’s crime to begin with which he’s admitted to, was using political influence to thwart foreign investigations (corruption).  He admitted to it on audio while speaking both on a phone call and at a public event.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5BDx5zQOgA

    :43 in.

    Devon archer. Bevan Cooney.  Not to mention the China billionaire who has been missing for a year.

    i seriously think (put on my tin foil hat) that the Dems/Pelosi would use the 25th on quid pro joe to remove him and put kamala on top within the first 6 months.  Dems play dirty, we all know that.
    From a podcaster on the Glenn beck news network...lol.  Nothing he says on the tape incriminates him in anyway.  Nor does it mention hunter....
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,431
    Biden
    hey, let's all play mental gymnastics to confirm our own bias!!!
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  • That would all make sense if hunter wasn’t the Vice President’s son, sitting on the board of said company being investigated.  There lies the crime.  You don’t see any conflict of interest of extortion being used to protect a family member?
    The alleged crime. Which had been investigated and to which the repub senate said there was no crime. Bad optics, sure. Indictable offense worthy of a conviction? No. Keep grasping.
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,227
    static111 said:
    From a podcaster on the Glenn beck news network...lol.  Nothing he says on the tape incriminates him in anyway.  Nor does it mention hunter....
    Why are you defending hunter/joe? You know they’re in hot water.  Why would you want corruption in our govt?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,137
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    Why are you defending hunter/joe? You know they’re in hot water.  Why would you want corruption in our govt?
    they don't. that's why trump is the worst and most hated president in the history of your country. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,600
    Biden
    That would all make sense if hunter wasn’t the Vice President’s son, sitting on the board of said company being investigated.  There lies the crime.  You don’t see any conflict of interest of extortion being used to protect a family member?
    1. The Obama administration was pushing for Burisma TO BE INVESTIGATED.  The Ukrainian prosecutor that was fired had refused to investigate them.  Look it up.
    2. If this was a crime, why hasn't Hunter been indicted in the Ukraine or the US?  The Trump DOJ had 4 years to do it.
    3.  Tell me specifically the crime that was committed.  Embezzlement?  Fraud?  Murder?  
    4.  Show me the federal code that "conflict of interest" is a crime.  

    Get yourself informed.  Get out of the right wing news gutter. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,137
    Biden
    so the president is investigated, and the republican in charge determined that, while they can't state that no crime was committed, they also refuse to indict a sitting president. 

    rolemodels: trump is innocent! 

    biden is investigated, still an indictable private citizen, both sides of the aisle come to the conclusion there's nothing there, including trump's own incredibly partisan AG. 

    rolemodels: biden is under investigation, that means he's guilty! 

    it would be comical if it wasn't so incredibly stupid. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,213
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    When you support a racist, racist regime, or racist policies in any way shape or form,  including voting  that makes you a racist as well. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,600
    Biden
    so the president is investigated, and the republican in charge determined that, while they can't state that no crime was committed, they also refuse to indict a sitting president. 

    rolemodels: trump is innocent! 

    biden is investigated, still an indictable private citizen, both sides of the aisle come to the conclusion there's nothing there, including trump's own incredibly partisan AG. 

    rolemodels: biden is under investigation, that means he's guilty! 

    it would be comical if it wasn't so incredibly stupid. 
    It's so fucking stupid, it's breathtaking.  Look you can support Trump because you're ardently pro life, or you are against any tax increase, or if you hate the thought of M4A.  Fine, no problem.  I don't argue with people's worldview like that.  But this stuff is just ridiculous and continues to confirm that these Trump humpers have been willing marks for four years now. 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,431
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    It's so fucking stupid, it's breathtaking.  Look you can support Trump because you're ardently pro life, or you are against any tax increase, or if you hate the thought of M4A.  Fine, no problem.  I don't argue with people's worldview like that.  But this stuff is just ridiculous and continues to confirm that these Trump humpers have been willing marks for four years now. 
    if i got duped by trump i could not live with myself.

    that is worse than rudy getting duped by the 2 guys that actually owned a company called fraud guarantee.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,600
    Biden
    if i got duped by trump i could not live with myself.

    that is worse than rudy getting duped by the 2 guys that actually owned a company called fraud guarantee.
    Ha!  I forgot about that.  
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,917
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    Why are you defending hunter/joe? You know they’re in hot water.  Why would you want corruption in our govt?
    1 there is no proof of any corruption anywhere. 2. Believe me if there was I would crap all over joe. 3 the biggest conspiracy of the video you provided was that they spent the entirety talking about joe mispronouncing Kyiv.

      If you’ve followed any of these threads you’ll see I’m no Biden fan boy.  At the risk of another disastrous 4 years of trump I will happily defend Biden from baseless smear campaigns and advocate for people to vote the lesser of two evils.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,600
    Biden
    static111 said:
    1 there is no proof of any corruption anywhere. 2. Believe me if there was I would crap all over joe.

      If you’ve followed any of these threads you’ll see I’m no Biden fan boy.  At the risk of another disastrous 4 years of trump I will happily defend Biden from baseless smear campaigns and advocate for people to vote the lesser of two evils.
    And Joe's not 'evil'.  I think you would agree that you may not agree with him policy wise on everything, but he's not a bad man.  He's a fundamentally good man, like Obama.  
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,917
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    And Joe's not 'evil'.  I think you would agree that you may not agree with him policy wise on everything, but he's not a bad man.  He's a fundamentally good man, like Obama.  
    Yes well I don’t think Joe is evil, nor do I think Trump is. I was using the old political trope as far as discussing evils and voting.

     While I disagree with some of Joe’s policies and history,I agree that he is not fundamentally a bad guy.  Trump is despicable as are his policies and so far I have not seen one redeeming quality from him or his camp.  
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,600
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Yes well I don’t think Joe is evil, nor do I think Trump is. I was using the old political trope as far as discussing evils and voting.

     While I disagree with some of Joe’s policies and history,I agree that he is not fundamentally a bad guy.  Trump is despicable as are his policies and so far I have not seen one redeeming quality from him or his camp.  
    Trump is repugnant as human being.  He is morally reprehensible regardless of policies.  Some of the policies, particularly around the treatment of human beings, are just the icing on the cake of filth.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,137
    Biden
    and those policies would get substantially worse if he's got no fear of re-election. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,919
    But that’s exactly why he’ll be re-elected- you continue to shame and act Like you are better than people who have different ideals than you.  Not living by the golden rule, and assuming you’re right and they’re wrong has caused the very thing you despise.
    Every single day I can look in the mirror and be happy that I don’t align myself with thee most corrupt vile disgusting disgraceful human to ever occupy the WH! I’m just glad I don’t associate with any Covidiot supporters like you go fly your Baffoon flag in front of your pizzeria...
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,137
    Biden
    Every single day I can look in the mirror and be happy that I don’t align myself with thee most corrupt vile disgusting disgraceful human to ever occupy the WH! I’m just glad I don’t associate with any Covidiot supporters like you go fly your Baffoon flag in front of your pizzeria...
    easy, jose, easy.....time to blaze up? it's friday dude! have a great weekend!
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,697
    Every single day I can look in the mirror and be happy that I don’t align myself with thee most corrupt vile disgusting disgraceful human to ever occupy the WH! I’m just glad I don’t associate with any Covidiot supporters like you go fly your Baffoon flag in front of your pizzeria...
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    edited October 2020
    Trump cultists are not worth getting banned over. Or to even try to debate such ignorance.

    Best to just chill for the next week.

    I think your patience will be rewarded. 


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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,491
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Trump is repugnant as human being.  He is morally reprehensible regardless of policies.  Some of the policies, particularly around the treatment of human beings, are just the icing on the cake of filth.  
    It's actually one of several amazing, counter-intuitive things about his rise to power and the unprecedented level of devotion we're seeing.  There's nothing warm or empathic about him. He has no sense of humor. He's a sour, objectionable, miserable human being with no positive human qualities. W was a bone-head, but I understood the notion that his chimp-like smirk and "aw shucks" demeanor drew people in. He was "the guy you wanted to have a beer with."  People don't even say that about Trump. I think even his most ardent supporters know he'd be no fun to be around.  The constant anger, particularly as it feeds his (and their) victim complex, seems to be the draw. Of course he's awful, look at how mean everyone is to him.  And this doesn't even get into his history bursting into junior miss America pageant dressing rooms, the grab 'em by the p**** recording, the full-page Central Park 5 add, duping people with his products and "University," not paying back debts, housing Russian mobsters in Trump Tower, the vulgar things he says about veterans, mocking a disabled reporter, calling people (all who "happen" to be black) "low IQ," being president only of red states, a history with Jeffery Epstein that would make Clinton blush, golfing all the damn time, telling NFL players how to act (and calling them SOBs), telling reporters how terrible they are, calling just about everyone "losers," and on and on. He has no redeemable qualities. None.  He's just an objectionable human being who happened to be born into a lot of money and hung out with the right wealthy lowlifes (like Roy Cohn) in NYC. He's awful in ways that blow apart the entire notion that the election is about personality.*  Dating back to my first time voting, 1992, I've never voted GOP. Usually Democrat, a couple of "thirds" (never in the Prez election).  But I've never voted for, nor against, a person with such a combination of moral repugnance and lacking personality.  Even Clinton at least had a personality, as bad of a dude as he is.  I guess I twice voted against a ticket that included Dick Cheney...but even he isn't the objectionable, miserable, immature, whiny, victim-player Trump is.

    *Well maybe not given how people felt about Hillary and Biden's age. My god Obama would mop the floor with this clown.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,137
    Biden
    dignin said:
    Trump cultists are not worth getting banned over. Or to even try to debate such ignorance.

    Best to just chill for the next week.

    I think your patience will be rewarded. 


    100%
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,213
    Biden
    Every negative description on here regarding the so-called president is absolutely true.

    Now imagine the people who continue to advise him, believe in him, enable him, follow him, support him, and will vote for him.

    If he's so awful imagine his supporters.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Bobby Orr and Brett Favre came out today in support of Trump.  2020 just keeps getting stranger...
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