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            BidenHow about the Rick “I poisoned flint” Snyder endorsement? I mean seriously not something I would be rooting my own horn about. I’m from Michigan Originally and my family still lives there. That guy was a legit terrible dude and flint was just the worst of a long line of disasters that happened in Michigan under his governorship. Not exactly a shining endorsement I would feel comfortable Of touring if I was running as a Democrat. Sometimes I can’t help but think that Joes people don’t actually want him to win.Post edited by static111 onScio me nihil scire
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 Approving and not voting for are two different things. I know many people that don’t approve of Trump but will still Vote for him. I’m not convinced this is a big deal. If it’s still being talked about by next Friday I will be amazed.mrussel1 said:
 I don't know if that's true or not. The other day I posted the Military Times poll of approval of Trump and it's in the high 30's. Trump needs these votes. So any chipping away of his support can make a difference.static111 said:This WWI soldiers thing is pointless and isn’t going to influence anything. Some people will go on tv and say something about respecting veterans and lies and blah blah and it will be over, on to the next horrible thing that won’t effect trump in the least.Scio me nihil scire
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            Bidenstatic111 said:How about the Rick “I poisoned flint” Perry endorsement? I mean seriously not something I would be rooting my own horn about. I’m from Michigan Originally and my family still lives there. That guy was a legit terrible dude and flint was just the worst of a long line of disasters that happened in Michigan under his governorship. Not exactly a shining endorsement I would feel comfortable Of touring if I was running as a Democrat. Sometimes I can’t help but think that Joes people don’t actually want him to win.
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 My bad I’m living in Texas now Rick perry was responsible for so many problems here. Too many bad GOP governors named Rick to go around. I’m going to edit my original post but my shame will live on in your quote.mickeyrat said:static111 said:How about the Rick “I poisoned flint” Perry endorsement? I mean seriously not something I would be rooting my own horn about. I’m from Michigan Originally and my family still lives there. That guy was a legit terrible dude and flint was just the worst of a long line of disasters that happened in Michigan under his governorship. Not exactly a shining endorsement I would feel comfortable Of touring if I was running as a Democrat. Sometimes I can’t help but think that Joes people don’t actually want him to win.
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 The Marine Corps considers where Team Trump Treason made some of his remarks hallowed ground. He lost the support of the majority of one branch of our military. It’ll matter bigly in November. There goes NC.static111 said:This WWI soldiers thing is pointless and isn’t going to influence anything. Some people will go on tv and say something about respecting veterans and lies and blah blah and it will be over, on to the next horrible thing that won’t effect trump in the least.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 You really think so? I’m not convinced. I don’t think he loses any supporters. I don’t see anyone that was supporting him yesterday not supporting him today because the “liberal” Atlantic alleges that he said some apathetic things about some dead soldiers. Heck if any of his former staff corroborated I still don’t think he loses support because those deplorable are in the Cult deep hook line and sinker. Dear leader can do no wrong. If anything it may energize some opposition. I just really don’t see it losing him any support.Halifax2TheMax said:
 The Marine Corps considers where Team Trump Treason made some of his remarks hallowed ground. He lost the support of the majority of one branch of our military. It’ll matter bigly in November. There goes NC.static111 said:This WWI soldiers thing is pointless and isn’t going to influence anything. Some people will go on tv and say something about respecting veterans and lies and blah blah and it will be over, on to the next horrible thing that won’t effect trump in the least.Scio me nihil scire
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            BidenThe sources of the Atlantic article need to come out. If that is true then the military leaders need to address this.
 My guess is that Kelly is one of the sources although he declined comment.
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            Biden
 Agreed. Now is the time to show courage.Gern Blansten said:The sources of the Atlantic article need to come out. If that is true then the military leaders need to address this.
 My guess is that Kelly is one of the sources although he declined comment.
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 You don’t have to have great deduction skills to figure out Kelly was one of the sources. Mattis another. It would be beneficial if the sources would come forward.Gern Blansten said:The sources of the Atlantic article need to come out. If that is true then the military leaders need to address this.
 My guess is that Kelly is one of the sources although he declined comment.
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            Bidenjerparker20 said:
 You don’t have to have great deduction skills to figure out Kelly was one of the sources. Mattis another. It would be beneficial if the sources would come forward.Gern Blansten said:The sources of the Atlantic article need to come out. If that is true then the military leaders need to address this.
 My guess is that Kelly is one of the sources although he declined comment.
 Those ex military guys are doing their country a great disservice by staying silent.
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            BidenI know I'm biased, but I feel like Biden is having a strong week, negating any positives coming from the RNC.
 Good speech in Pitt with good press
 Good poll numbers, generally
 Wisconsin trip was good, with him doing and saying the right things.
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 You need to watch Rachel Madcow from last night. She had on a former reporter from Stars & Stripes who within 40 minutes of the Atlantic article tweeted that every allegation in the article as reported, is true. He has deep connections and relationships in the military and pentagon from being a Stars and Stripes reporter for years. She also had on someone else who had heard the reporting personally from the sources. But she also spoke to the bizarre pathology of Team Trump Treason’s military aversion. It’s really bizarre.Gern Blansten said:The sources of the Atlantic article need to come out. If that is true then the military leaders need to address this.
 My guess is that Kelly is one of the sources although he declined comment.
 Those ex military guys are doing their country a great disservice by staying silent.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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            BidenJoe Biden is a reasonable man.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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 Crazy....I hope they are vocal today. I was just reading about some funding cuts to Stars and Stripes. Probably because tRump heard that military folks preferred Biden in that poll of theirs.Halifax2TheMax said:
 You need to watch Rachel Madcow from last night. She had on a former reporter from Stars & Stripes who within 40 minutes of the Atlantic article tweeted that every allegation in the article as reported, is true. He has deep connections and relationships in the military and pentagon from being a Stars and Stripes reporter for years. She also had on someone else who had heard the reporting personally from the sources. But she also spoke to the bizarre pathology of Team Trump Treason’s military aversion. It’s really bizarre.Gern Blansten said:The sources of the Atlantic article need to come out. If that is true then the military leaders need to address this.
 My guess is that Kelly is one of the sources although he declined comment.
 Those ex military guys are doing their country a great disservice by staying silent.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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 Team Trump Treason threatened Donny. Jr. with being cut out of the will/estate if he joined the military and his pre-nup with Marla Maples had a clause where he wouldn't pay out if their marriage failed and she joined the military or Peace Corps. Makes you wonder what the hell is going on inside his head as it relates to the military. But like everything else about him, his "love" of the military is fake. He's a threat to our national security and the higher ups in the military know this. But they're part of the Deep State.Gern Blansten said:
 Crazy....I hope they are vocal today. I was just reading about some funding cuts to Stars and Stripes. Probably because tRump heard that military folks preferred Biden in that poll of theirs.Halifax2TheMax said:
 You need to watch Rachel Madcow from last night. She had on a former reporter from Stars & Stripes who within 40 minutes of the Atlantic article tweeted that every allegation in the article as reported, is true. He has deep connections and relationships in the military and pentagon from being a Stars and Stripes reporter for years. She also had on someone else who had heard the reporting personally from the sources. But she also spoke to the bizarre pathology of Team Trump Treason’s military aversion. It’s really bizarre.Gern Blansten said:The sources of the Atlantic article need to come out. If that is true then the military leaders need to address this.
 My guess is that Kelly is one of the sources although he declined comment.
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            Bidenmrussel1 said:I know I'm biased, but I feel like Biden is having a strong week, negating any positives coming from the RNC.
 Good speech in Pitt with good press
 Good poll numbers, generally
 Wisconsin trip was good, with him doing and saying the right things.
 Trump was Trump, which is usually good for us.While I share your bias, in theory, I'm obviously biased the other way some...I think he's had a solid week, as well, at least qualitatively. He still seems old, since he is, but he's not nearly as "foot in the grave" as I thought he'd be. If he can keep this up, that's a good thing. He waited for the actual president to do his Wisconsin song-and-dance so as not to get in his way and visited afterward. Was it PR? Yeah, but that doesn't negate it from being rooted in true concern and compassion. The DNC did a great job of humanizing him and when you look at those kinds of human traits, it should be obvious to everyone which guy cares and which guy is a miserable, loathsome human being.If the whole "where's Joe?" BS can be done away with and he can continue to hit Trump with some force while mixing in character and actual plans, he'll be moving in the right direction.Between the devotion of the followers and the not-even-veiled cheating, I don't feel confident, but Biden is doing what he can do fairly well at this point.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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 The plan was always to lie low until the convention and then hit the road. So I think he's in good shape for November. Trump and team continue to insult him, thereby lowering the bar for him to exceed. This is true about his age, his cognitive abilities, his speaking and 'hiding in the basement'. You even had the same thought with your 'foot in the grave' comment. Now did you get that from watching him in teh debates? Or was it from Trump, far left wing during the primaries, etc.? I think his first debate was rusty, but after that he was really strong. And he took the brunt of the body blows.OnWis97 said:mrussel1 said:I know I'm biased, but I feel like Biden is having a strong week, negating any positives coming from the RNC.
 Good speech in Pitt with good press
 Good poll numbers, generally
 Wisconsin trip was good, with him doing and saying the right things.
 Trump was Trump, which is usually good for us.While I share your bias, in theory, I'm obviously biased the other way some...I think he's had a solid week, as well, at least qualitatively. He still seems old, since he is, but he's not nearly as "foot in the grave" as I thought he'd be. If he can keep this up, that's a good thing. He waited for the actual president to do his Wisconsin song-and-dance so as not to get in his way and visited afterward. Was it PR? Yeah, but that doesn't negate it from being rooted in true concern and compassion. The DNC did a great job of humanizing him and when you look at those kinds of human traits, it should be obvious to everyone which guy cares and which guy is a miserable, loathsome human being.If the whole "where's Joe?" BS can be done away with and he can continue to hit Trump with some force while mixing in character and actual plans, he'll be moving in the right direction.Between the devotion of the followers and the not-even-veiled cheating, I don't feel confident, but Biden is doing what he can do fairly well at this point.0
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 I got that from times I watched him; particularly a 15-second ad on YouTube where he asks for time/money. He seemed incredibly old. It made me nervous as hell...mrussel1 said:
 The plan was always to lie low until the convention and then hit the road. So I think he's in good shape for November. Trump and team continue to insult him, thereby lowering the bar for him to exceed. This is true about his age, his cognitive abilities, his speaking and 'hiding in the basement'. You even had the same thought with your 'foot in the grave' comment. Now did you get that from watching him in teh debates? Or was it from Trump, far left wing during the primaries, etc.? I think his first debate was rusty, but after that he was really strong. And he took the brunt of the body blows.OnWis97 said:mrussel1 said:I know I'm biased, but I feel like Biden is having a strong week, negating any positives coming from the RNC.
 Good speech in Pitt with good press
 Good poll numbers, generally
 Wisconsin trip was good, with him doing and saying the right things.
 Trump was Trump, which is usually good for us.While I share your bias, in theory, I'm obviously biased the other way some...I think he's had a solid week, as well, at least qualitatively. He still seems old, since he is, but he's not nearly as "foot in the grave" as I thought he'd be. If he can keep this up, that's a good thing. He waited for the actual president to do his Wisconsin song-and-dance so as not to get in his way and visited afterward. Was it PR? Yeah, but that doesn't negate it from being rooted in true concern and compassion. The DNC did a great job of humanizing him and when you look at those kinds of human traits, it should be obvious to everyone which guy cares and which guy is a miserable, loathsome human being.If the whole "where's Joe?" BS can be done away with and he can continue to hit Trump with some force while mixing in character and actual plans, he'll be moving in the right direction.Between the devotion of the followers and the not-even-veiled cheating, I don't feel confident, but Biden is doing what he can do fairly well at this point.
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            BidenBiden is ripping tRump to shreds right now....Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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            BidenThe Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down for no good reasonTrump wants to pull funding from Stars and Stripes, a newspaper for American troops that began in the Civil War and has been serving our soldiers.https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/09/04/trump-and-stars-and-stripes-attacking-american-icon-column/5706859002/
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