Riots/Looting/Violence and general post-George Floyd madness

dignin said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute.  Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street.  Police budgets aren't all just about head count.  Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops?  Cities are burning because of bad cops.  Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.

Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles.  First, I have had plenty to contribute.  To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave.  We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty.  Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality.  You disagree with my stance and that's fine.  I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation.  So let's move on.  Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops?  Ummm, have you turned on the news lately?  They are literally burning.  This is not a figure of speech.  You can champion your position and I can champion mine.  Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.

If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens. 

Wrong.  Not speculation.  I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result.  Fact.  If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.

Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period. 

So yes, you’re speculating. 

Listen.  You can read and research all you want on the topic.  I live here and have friends in Chicago PD.  I'm getting first-hand accounts from "boots on the ground;" not what Google tells me.  The police presence has been intentionally scaled back during this surge of recent bullshit (i.e. looting, vandalizing, rioting).  So please don't tell me I'm speculating considering our distances to the source.

Who gave the word to scale back?

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute.  Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street.  Police budgets aren't all just about head count.  Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops?  Cities are burning because of bad cops.  Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.

Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles.  First, I have had plenty to contribute.  To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave.  We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty.  Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality.  You disagree with my stance and that's fine.  I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation.  So let's move on.  Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops?  Ummm, have you turned on the news lately?  They are literally burning.  This is not a figure of speech.  You can champion your position and I can champion mine.  Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.

If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens. 

Wrong.  Not speculation.  I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result.  Fact.  If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.

Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period. 

So yes, you’re speculating. 

Which cities have had lower crime rates due to cutting the police budget? 

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute.  Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street.  Police budgets aren't all just about head count.  Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops?  Cities are burning because of bad cops.  Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.

Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles.  First, I have had plenty to contribute.  To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave.  We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty.  Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality.  You disagree with my stance and that's fine.  I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation.  So let's move on.  Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops?  Ummm, have you turned on the news lately?  They are literally burning.  This is not a figure of speech.  You can champion your position and I can champion mine.  Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.

If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens. 

Wrong.  Not speculation.  I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result.  Fact.  If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.

Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period. 

So yes, you’re speculating. 

Which cities have had lower crime rates due to cutting the police budget? 

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

wonder what those boots taste like.

Knowing him, either bourbon or a local ipa.  However that is just pure speculation.

Actually, this is likely the first speculative comment today that is true.

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

wonder what those boots taste like.

Knowing him, either bourbon or a local ipa.  However that is just pure speculation.

Actually, this is likely the first speculative comment today that is true.

I m about to crack open a bottle of Pinot Grigio.  The real question is, how many ice cubes will be going in the glass?  The person who guesses closest wins a Pitt ‘13 se poster.  

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

wonder what those boots taste like.

Knowing him, either bourbon or a local ipa.  However that is just pure speculation.

Actually, this is likely the first speculative comment today that is true.

I would like to know what IPA, considering bbiggs has converted me over to being a Maplewood fan.

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

wonder what those boots taste like.

Knowing him, either bourbon or a local ipa.  However that is just pure speculation.

Actually, this is likely the first speculative comment today that is true.

I m about to crack open a bottle of Pinot Grigio.  The real question is, how many ice cubes will be going in the glass?  The person who guesses closest wins a Pitt ‘13 se poster.  

6.02 x 10^23 ice cubes
Am I right?

Dude I teach social studies, I have no clue what that means. Lol

Avogadro's number, or 1 mole. I teach science/chemistry, thats usually the one thing people say they remember from chemistry class is Acogadro's number.

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

wonder what those boots taste like.

Knowing him, either bourbon or a local ipa.  However that is just pure speculation.

Actually, this is likely the first speculative comment today that is true.

I m about to crack open a bottle of Pinot Grigio.  The real question is, how many ice cubes will be going in the glass?  The person who guesses closest wins a Pitt ‘13 se poster.  

6.02 x 10^23 ice cubes
Am I right?

Dude I teach social studies, I have no clue what that means. Lol

Avogadro's number, or 1 mole. I teach science/chemistry, thats usually the one thing people say they remember from chemistry class is Acogadro's number.

Dude I remember moles!  I think that is all I remember from ap chemistry lol.  

mcgruff10 said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

wonder what those boots taste like.

Knowing him, either bourbon or a local ipa.  However that is just pure speculation.

Actually, this is likely the first speculative comment today that is true.

I m about to crack open a bottle of Pinot Grigio.  The real question is, how many ice cubes will be going in the glass?  The person who guesses closest wins a Pitt ‘13 se poster.  

6.02 x 10^23 ice cubes
Am I right?

Dude I teach social studies, I have no clue what that means. Lol

Avogadro's number, or 1 mole. I teach science/chemistry, thats usually the one thing people say they remember from chemistry class is Acogadro's number.

Dude I remember moles!  I think that is all I remember from ap chemistry lol.  

See, the one thing people take away from high school chemistry as an adult, the mole.

bbiggs said:

dignin said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute.  Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street.  Police budgets aren't all just about head count.  Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops?  Cities are burning because of bad cops.  Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.

Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles.  First, I have had plenty to contribute.  To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave.  We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty.  Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality.  You disagree with my stance and that's fine.  I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation.  So let's move on.  Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops?  Ummm, have you turned on the news lately?  They are literally burning.  This is not a figure of speech.  You can champion your position and I can champion mine.  Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.

If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens. 

Wrong.  Not speculation.  I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result.  Fact.  If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.

Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period. 

So yes, you’re speculating. 

Listen.  You can read and research all you want on the topic.  I live here and have friends in Chicago PD.  I'm getting first-hand accounts from "boots on the ground;" not what Google tells me.  The police presence has been intentionally scaled back during this surge of recent bullshit (i.e. looting, vandalizing, rioting).  So please don't tell me I'm speculating considering our distances to the source.

Who gave the word to scale back?

I'll ask my friend and get back to you.  Google won't be able to answer this one.

dignin said:

bbiggs said:

dignin said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298484404918972417?s=21

And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

Graphic:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 

There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

You think its ok to execute someone for looting?

I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  

So thats a yes? 

It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

It's Newton's 3rd law.

1) Cops shoot black man in back
2) Protests
3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
5) People take action into their own hands

Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute.  Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street.  Police budgets aren't all just about head count.  Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops?  Cities are burning because of bad cops.  Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.

Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles.  First, I have had plenty to contribute.  To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave.  We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty.  Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality.  You disagree with my stance and that's fine.  I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation.  So let's move on.  Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops?  Ummm, have you turned on the news lately?  They are literally burning.  This is not a figure of speech.  You can champion your position and I can champion mine.  Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.

If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens. 

Wrong.  Not speculation.  I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result.  Fact.  If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.

Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period. 

So yes, you’re speculating. 

Listen.  You can read and research all you want on the topic.  I live here and have friends in Chicago PD.  I'm getting first-hand accounts from "boots on the ground;" not what Google tells me.  The police presence has been intentionally scaled back during this surge of recent bullshit (i.e. looting, vandalizing, rioting).  So please don't tell me I'm speculating considering our distances to the source.

Who gave the word to scale back?

I'll ask my friend and get back to you.  Google won't be able to answer this one.

I appreciate that.