And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots two people at short range in this video:
There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses. The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground. They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them. What did they think would happen?
You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.
So thats a yes?
It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.
It's Newton's 3rd law.
1) Cops shoot black man in back 2) Protests 3) People using protest to destroy and loot 4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 5) People take action into their own hands
When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
Trick question. When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands? I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.
Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands. It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people. Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point. Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix. It will take several years to build. What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police? It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.
You're a trusting man, apparently. I don't have the faith that you do. If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens. Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.
The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death. The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest. Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem? What is your solution to stop all of this?
Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one. Many here think they have all the answers. I sure as fuck don't. But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.
And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots two people at short range in this video:
There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses. The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground. They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them. What did they think would happen?
You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.
So thats a yes?
It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.
It's Newton's 3rd law.
1) Cops shoot black man in back 2) Protests 3) People using protest to destroy and loot 4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 5) People take action into their own hands
When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
Trick question. When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands? I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.
Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands. It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people. Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point. Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix. It will take several years to build. What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police? It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.
You're a trusting man, apparently. I don't have the faith that you do. If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens. Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.
The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death. The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest. Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem? What is your solution to stop all of this?
Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one. Many here think they have all the answers. I sure as fuck don't. But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.
I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute. Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street. Police budgets aren't all just about head count. Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops? Cities are burning because of bad cops. Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.
Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles. First, I have had plenty to contribute. To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave. We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty. Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality. You disagree with my stance and that's fine. I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation. So let's move on. Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops? Ummm, have you turned on the news lately? They are literally burning. This is not a figure of speech. You can champion your position and I can champion mine. Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.
If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens.
Wrong. Not speculation. I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result. Fact. If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.
Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period.
So yes, you’re speculating.
Which cities have had lower crime rates due to cutting the police budget?
I didn’t say other cities, I said that in the past when chicago has cut its budget it coincided with a reduction in crime rates.
When did this occur?
Reportedly 2011-2015.
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Wrong. Not speculation. I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result. Fact. If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.
Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period.
So yes, you’re speculating.
Which cities have had lower crime rates due to cutting the police budget?
I didn’t say other cities, I said that in the past when chicago has cut its budget it coincided with a reduction in crime rates.
When did this occur?
Reportedly 2011-2015.
Any link to an article (I couldn't find any)? I"m genuinely interested.
You don’t get to threaten People and then claim self defense. I thought we went over this when an armed protester In Austin was shot and killed for being threatening? The person who was adult enough to take two lives gets no sympathy from me.
Was the person that shot Foster in Austin ever charged? That case kind of dropped off the radar.
Not yet
Yeah, I just read that they are looking for a couple of witnesses and that there were a lot of different accounts from people that they have interviewed so far. Just hadn’t heard much news lately otherwise on the incident.
And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots two people at short range in this video:
There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses. The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground. They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them. What did they think would happen?
You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.
So thats a yes?
It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.
It's Newton's 3rd law.
1) Cops shoot black man in back 2) Protests 3) People using protest to destroy and loot 4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 5) People take action into their own hands
When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
Trick question. When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands? I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.
Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands. It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people. Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point. Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix. It will take several years to build. What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police? It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.
You're a trusting man, apparently. I don't have the faith that you do. If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens. Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.
The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death. The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest. Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem? What is your solution to stop all of this?
Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one. Many here think they have all the answers. I sure as fuck don't. But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.
And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots two people at short range in this video:
There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses. The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground. They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them. What did they think would happen?
You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.
So thats a yes?
It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.
It's Newton's 3rd law.
1) Cops shoot black man in back 2) Protests 3) People using protest to destroy and loot 4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 5) People take action into their own hands
When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
Trick question. When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands? I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.
Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands. It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people. Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point. Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix. It will take several years to build. What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police? It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.
You're a trusting man, apparently. I don't have the faith that you do. If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens. Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.
The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death. The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest. Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem? What is your solution to stop all of this?
Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one. Many here think they have all the answers. I sure as fuck don't. But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.
I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute. Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street. Police budgets aren't all just about head count. Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops? Cities are burning because of bad cops. Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.
Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles. First, I have had plenty to contribute. To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave. We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty. Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality. You disagree with my stance and that's fine. I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation. So let's move on. Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops? Ummm, have you turned on the news lately? They are literally burning. This is not a figure of speech. You can champion your position and I can champion mine. Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.
If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens.
Wrong. Not speculation. I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result. Fact. If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.
Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period.
So yes, you’re speculating.
Listen. You can read and research all you want on the topic. I live here and have friends in Chicago PD. I'm getting first-hand accounts from "boots on the ground;" not what Google tells me. The police presence has been intentionally scaled back during this surge of recent bullshit (i.e. looting, vandalizing, rioting). So please don't tell me I'm speculating considering our distances to the source.
So, the police department budget has not been cut, no funds have been transferred, no additional resources have been put elsewhere to deal with crime prevention, just a secretive measure to "scale back" ? That sounds exactly like what "defund the police" is not.
And again, yes, you're speculating as to the cause of said "mayhem", particularly when similar "mayhem" is going on in cities across the country that have not made changes that you claim are happening in Chicago.
Since we are re-visiting this, would you mind posting the time frame when Chicago PD was reduced and crime rates went down? That would be useful knowledge for the group. Thank you.
And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots two people at short range in this video:
There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses. The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground. They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them. What did they think would happen?
You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.
So thats a yes?
It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.
It's Newton's 3rd law.
1) Cops shoot black man in back 2) Protests 3) People using protest to destroy and loot 4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 5) People take action into their own hands
When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
Trick question. When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands? I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.
Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands. It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people. Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point. Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix. It will take several years to build. What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police? It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.
You're a trusting man, apparently. I don't have the faith that you do. If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens. Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.
The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death. The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest. Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem? What is your solution to stop all of this?
Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one. Many here think they have all the answers. I sure as fuck don't. But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.
And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots two people at short range in this video:
There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses. The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground. They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them. What did they think would happen?
You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.
So thats a yes?
It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.
It's Newton's 3rd law.
1) Cops shoot black man in back 2) Protests 3) People using protest to destroy and loot 4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 5) People take action into their own hands
When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
Trick question. When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands? I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.
Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands. It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people. Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point. Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix. It will take several years to build. What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police? It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.
You're a trusting man, apparently. I don't have the faith that you do. If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens. Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.
The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death. The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest. Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem? What is your solution to stop all of this?
Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one. Many here think they have all the answers. I sure as fuck don't. But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.
I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute. Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street. Police budgets aren't all just about head count. Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops? Cities are burning because of bad cops. Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.
Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles. First, I have had plenty to contribute. To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave. We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty. Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality. You disagree with my stance and that's fine. I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation. So let's move on. Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops? Ummm, have you turned on the news lately? They are literally burning. This is not a figure of speech. You can champion your position and I can champion mine. Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.
If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens.
Wrong. Not speculation. I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result. Fact. If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.
Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period.
So yes, you’re speculating.
Which cities have had lower crime rates due to cutting the police budget?
I didn’t say other cities, I said that in the past when chicago has cut its budget it coincided with a reduction in crime rates.
You don’t get to threaten People and then claim self defense. I thought we went over this when an armed protester In Austin was shot and killed for being threatening? The person who was adult enough to take two lives gets no sympathy from me.
Was the person that shot Foster in Austin ever charged? That case kind of dropped off the radar.
Not yet
Yeah, I just read that they are looking for a couple of witnesses and that there were a lot of different accounts from people that they have interviewed so far. Just hadn’t heard much news lately otherwise on the incident.
It’s just crazy that some people are saying in the same breath that Garrett having an assault style ar whatever was reason for someone to feel threatened to defend their lives, and then justify that a kid with an ar-15 out looking for vigilante terrorist justice Was justified because self defense. Can’t have it both ways especially when 17 years old Trayvon Martins murder was justified because he looked scary with a hoodie. Sorry white america we are largely fucked up and need to do better yesterday.
You don’t get to threaten People and then claim self defense. I thought we went over this when an armed protester In Austin was shot and killed for being threatening? The person who was adult enough to take two lives gets no sympathy from me.
Was the person that shot Foster in Austin ever charged? That case kind of dropped off the radar.
Not yet
Yeah, I just read that they are looking for a couple of witnesses and that there were a lot of different accounts from people that they have interviewed so far. Just hadn’t heard much news lately otherwise on the incident.
It’s just crazy that some people are saying in the same breath that Garrett having an assault style ar whatever was reason for someone to feel threatened to defend their lives, and then justify that a kid with an ar-15 out looking for vigilante terrorist justice Was justified because self defense. Can’t have it both ways especially when 17 years old Trayvon Martins murder was justified because he looked scary with a hoodie. Sorry white america we are largely fucked up and need to do better yesterday.
Garret was killed in self defense. He pointed an AK47 at the wrong person. The kid yesterday murdered two people. It seems pretty clear cut to me.
Must be a special on Toilet paper and hand sanitizer at this Target in MN Tonight....What sparked this righteous behavior you ask??? Well, you know ...BLM. Even if you kill yourself wanted for a murder....
Thanks for your thoughtful contribution to the discourse. Just a reminder that Pearl Jam is a band that supports many liberal ideas, movements, and policies. Including but not limited to...
Pro-choice organizations The Black Lives Matter Movement Stricter gun laws and background checks Etc.
Also please keep in mind that when you support a racist or racist policies in any way, shape, or form, including voting, that makes you a racist as well.
While most people agree that the kid should not have been there, some of that sentiment is focused on the word "kid." The right is pretty much all-in on self-defense, otherwise...i.e., if he'd been old enough to own that gun, he should get off and be a cop some day.
This seems to have elements of George Zimmerman. What the hell possesses someone to grab a gun and seek out an excuse be able to stand your ground? Zimmerman's act was pre-meditated. And so was this kid's (though he didn't specifically know who he was going to shoot). So at some point, a cop is going to kill a black guy and there's going to be a protest. Someone totally legal to own an AR-15 is going to go there. The cops are going to give him a nod, a wink, and a bottle of water. Then someone is going to run in his direction and BAM! that someone's going to be dead, regardless of that someone's intent. And white nationalist America is going to make him a folk hero as he's arrested and not charged...or, at most, charged and acquired.
Sometimes with internet things "the laws haven't caught up with the technology." Well, I'm not sure they've caught up with the trends and the sophistry of pre-meditated self-defense. Fortunatley most white nationalists, like most people, don't want to be infamous or risk going through the court system, but I'd bet lots of 'em have fantasy about killing blacks and beta-male white allies.
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Kid fits in with a lot of the police today. Came with the thought he is better than the people there, had his gun at the ready, instigated and escalated.
Already hearing the self defense argument with reasonable people I work with. Yuck, I don't know anymore. Fucking kid went looking for a fight and found a nice gray situation where wholesome midwesterners will feel his pain because, you know, looters and anarchy because of democrats...
Already hearing the self defense argument with reasonable people I work with. Yuck, I don't know anymore. Fucking kid went looking for a fight and found a nice gray situation where wholesome midwesterners will feel his pain because, you know, looters and anarchy because of democrats...
Already hearing the self defense argument with reasonable people I work with. Yuck, I don't know anymore. Fucking kid went looking for a fight and found a nice gray situation where wholesome midwesterners will feel his pain because, you know, looters and anarchy because of democrats...
I call it pre-meditated self defense. George Zimmerman was first. But it looks like a growing tactic in white nationalist warfare.
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Already hearing the self defense argument with reasonable people I work with. Yuck, I don't know anymore. Fucking kid went looking for a fight and found a nice gray situation where wholesome midwesterners will feel his pain because, you know, looters and anarchy because of democrats...
But are they talking about it from a legal standpoint? Or a justification standpoint? Cause legally, he may get off. But from a justification standpoint, you have to believe he in the right to be walking around with an AR-15 during a riot scene....which is stupid.
Already hearing the self defense argument with reasonable people I work with. Yuck, I don't know anymore. Fucking kid went looking for a fight and found a nice gray situation where wholesome midwesterners will feel his pain because, you know, looters and anarchy because of democrats...
But are they talking about it from a legal standpoint? Or a justification standpoint? Cause legally, he may get off. But from a justification standpoint, you have to believe he in the right to be walking around with an AR-15 during a riot scene....which is stupid.
It is stupid. But what are we supposed to do now, assuming this is growing tactic? I mean, it's dangerous as it could get you killed or tried (and acquitted) and infamous. So I don't think every guy with a blue line sticker on his vehicle is going to be doing it...it's high-risk and low reward for anyone that's not absolutely drooling to put a bullet into someone. We'll see how common this becomes.
Because it is gray. From a legal standpoint, it could be seen as self-defense. So how do you criminalize the act of going there simply to make sure you get to defend yourself and shoot someone?
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Already hearing the self defense argument with reasonable people I work with. Yuck, I don't know anymore. Fucking kid went looking for a fight and found a nice gray situation where wholesome midwesterners will feel his pain because, you know, looters and anarchy because of democrats...
But are they talking about it from a legal standpoint? Or a justification standpoint? Cause legally, he may get off. But from a justification standpoint, you have to believe he in the right to be walking around with an AR-15 during a riot scene....which is stupid.
It is stupid. But what are we supposed to do now, assuming this is growing tactic? I mean, it's dangerous as it could get you killed or tried (and acquitted) and infamous. So I don't think every guy with a blue line sticker on his vehicle is going to be doing it...it's high-risk and low reward for anyone that's not absolutely drooling to put a bullet into someone. We'll see how common this becomes.
Because it is gray. From a legal standpoint, it could be seen as self-defense. So how do you criminalize the act of going there simply to make sure you get to defend yourself and shoot someone?
I don’t think ya can in most cases, but since he seemed to be breaking serious gun laws simply by having it and crossing state lines, that may factor in. I don’t know for sure if it does though.
Already hearing the self defense argument with reasonable people I work with. Yuck, I don't know anymore. Fucking kid went looking for a fight and found a nice gray situation where wholesome midwesterners will feel his pain because, you know, looters and anarchy because of democrats...
But are they talking about it from a legal standpoint? Or a justification standpoint? Cause legally, he may get off. But from a justification standpoint, you have to believe he in the right to be walking around with an AR-15 during a riot scene....which is stupid.
It is stupid. But what are we supposed to do now, assuming this is growing tactic? I mean, it's dangerous as it could get you killed or tried (and acquitted) and infamous. So I don't think every guy with a blue line sticker on his vehicle is going to be doing it...it's high-risk and low reward for anyone that's not absolutely drooling to put a bullet into someone. We'll see how common this becomes.
Because it is gray. From a legal standpoint, it could be seen as self-defense. So how do you criminalize the act of going there simply to make sure you get to defend yourself and shoot someone?
I don’t think ya can in most cases, but since he seemed to be breaking serious gun laws simply by having it and crossing state lines, that may factor in. I don’t know for sure if it does though.
That, and whether or not the first one killed could be deemed self defense is what I believe the outcome of the actual legal case will depend on.
POTUS is busy planning a trip to the links this weekend I'm sure. All we'll hear is that these are democrat run cities who aren't letting LE do their job. Fuck him, he's garbage and so is anyone making this about whether that piece of shit who shot 3 was justified or within his legal right. I really wish the media would quit giving him press. This human waste will get to be interviewed at some point and be glorified by millions when he should be tried by a jury, convicted and never heard from again. Yep, not going to say if, he should be convicted because he was 17 and never should have had that weapon or been there so he is the cause of their deaths. Nothing they did up to that point justified him shooting them because he shouldn't have had a weapon in the first place. This isn't some bullshit stand your ground argument. This is an out of touch white kid playing GI Joe in the streets of America.
This incident makes me so angry and I know that people like my parents and the rural MAGAs I live around will blame this on the protesters and democrat mayors and governors. This president has fueled the unrest and division more than any foreign power could ever hope for.
POTUS is busy planning a trip to the links this weekend I'm sure. All we'll hear is that these are democrat run cities who aren't letting LE do their job. Fuck him, he's garbage and so is anyone making this about whether that piece of shit who shot 3 was justified or within his legal right. I really wish the media would quit giving him press. This human waste will get to be interviewed at some point and be glorified by millions when he should be tried by a jury, convicted and never heard from again. Yep, not going to say if, he should be convicted because he was 17 and never should have had that weapon or been there so he is the cause of their deaths. Nothing they did up to that point justified him shooting them because he shouldn't have had a weapon in the first place. This isn't some bullshit stand your ground argument. This is an out of touch white kid playing GI Joe in the streets of America.
This incident makes me so angry and I know that people like my parents and the rural MAGAs I live around will blame this on the protesters and democrat mayors and governors. This president has fueled the unrest and division more than any foreign power could ever hope for.
If you don’t think Putin on the ritz and other malign actors aren’t fueling some of this, you haven’t been paying attention. Team Trump Treason is using Putin on the ritz’s playbook.
We've got to quit giving ass clowns like this attention. This dipshit had 123 followers when I clicked on this garbage post he made. Is it even a real person? Who the hell knows anymore.
POTUS is busy planning a trip to the links this weekend I'm sure. All we'll hear is that these are democrat run cities who aren't letting LE do their job. Fuck him, he's garbage and so is anyone making this about whether that piece of shit who shot 3 was justified or within his legal right. I really wish the media would quit giving him press. This human waste will get to be interviewed at some point and be glorified by millions when he should be tried by a jury, convicted and never heard from again. Yep, not going to say if, he should be convicted because he was 17 and never should have had that weapon or been there so he is the cause of their deaths. Nothing they did up to that point justified him shooting them because he shouldn't have had a weapon in the first place. This isn't some bullshit stand your ground argument. This is an out of touch white kid playing GI Joe in the streets of America.
This incident makes me so angry and I know that people like my parents and the rural MAGAs I live around will blame this on the protesters and democrat mayors and governors. This president has fueled the unrest and division more than any foreign power could ever hope for.
If you don’t think Putin on the ritz and other malign actors aren’t fueling some of this, you haven’t been paying attention. Team Trump Treason is using Putin on the ritz’s playbook.
Trump's love of dictators is definitely part of the problem, but this country is eating itself alive with little overt help from anyone else. The events of the last 6 months are all due to poor leadership and guidance, and I don't mean just Trump. Local police are acting like babies because they have to change their approach to policing. These chiefs need to suck it up and lead, not put their arms up and claim there's nothing they can do. Haul in your fucking patrol supervisors and figure out a way. It's what you are being paid to do. It sure as hell isn't easy, but it's on them to work with their team and leadership at the city and state levels.
POTUS is busy planning a trip to the links this weekend I'm sure. All we'll hear is that these are democrat run cities who aren't letting LE do their job. Fuck him, he's garbage and so is anyone making this about whether that piece of shit who shot 3 was justified or within his legal right. I really wish the media would quit giving him press. This human waste will get to be interviewed at some point and be glorified by millions when he should be tried by a jury, convicted and never heard from again. Yep, not going to say if, he should be convicted because he was 17 and never should have had that weapon or been there so he is the cause of their deaths. Nothing they did up to that point justified him shooting them because he shouldn't have had a weapon in the first place. This isn't some bullshit stand your ground argument. This is an out of touch white kid playing GI Joe in the streets of America.
This incident makes me so angry and I know that people like my parents and the rural MAGAs I live around will blame this on the protesters and democrat mayors and governors. This president has fueled the unrest and division more than any foreign power could ever hope for.
If you don’t think Putin on the ritz and other malign actors aren’t fueling some of this, you haven’t been paying attention. Team Trump Treason is using Putin on the ritz’s playbook.
Trump's love of dictators is definitely part of the problem, but this country is eating itself alive with little overt help from anyone else. The events of the last 6 months are all due to poor leadership and guidance, and I don't mean just Trump. Local police are acting like babies because they have to change their approach to policing. These chiefs need to suck it up and lead, not put their arms up and claim there's nothing they can do. Haul in your fucking patrol supervisors and figure out a way. It's what you are being paid to do. It sure as hell isn't easy, but it's on them to work with their team and leadership at the city and state levels.
Oh, I agree but putin on the ritz is exploiting events via social media as well. Our chaos benefits him and his minions. Team Trump Treason hasn't commented upon the poisoning of the Russian opposition leader, putin on the ritz's threats toward Belarus or the clash in Syria between US and Russian forces. Why? Come to think of it, I haven't heard anything in the three nights of repub convention anything related to foreign policy, other than opening negotiations with the Taliban.
You don’t get to threaten People and then claim self defense. I thought we went over this when an armed protester In Austin was shot and killed for being threatening? The person who was adult enough to take two lives gets no sympathy from me.
Was the person that shot Foster in Austin ever charged? That case kind of dropped off the radar.
Not yet
Yeah, I just read that they are looking for a couple of witnesses and that there were a lot of different accounts from people that they have interviewed so far. Just hadn’t heard much news lately otherwise on the incident.
It’s just crazy that some people are saying in the same breath that Garrett having an assault style ar whatever was reason for someone to feel threatened to defend their lives, and then justify that a kid with an ar-15 out looking for vigilante terrorist justice Was justified because self defense. Can’t have it both ways especially when 17 years old Trayvon Martins murder was justified because he looked scary with a hoodie. Sorry white america we are largely fucked up and need to do better yesterday.
Garret was killed in self defense. He pointed an AK47 at the wrong person. The kid yesterday murdered two people. It seems pretty clear cut to me.
The shooter drove through a protest, and many people that were actually there claim that the shooter pulled a gun first, which led to garret approaching with his weapon. Additionally there is no clear evidence that he actually pointed the rifle at anyone. The main witness being the shooter who had a gun in the cabin of the car against his employers policy, an hour+ away from Ft Hood. Looks very similar to pre-meditated self defense as some other people have said. So far no court date has been set or verdict delivered...we will see what happens, but it is far from a clear case of self defense. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/
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Since we are re-visiting this, would you mind posting the time frame when Chicago PD was reduced and crime rates went down? That would be useful knowledge for the group. Thank you.
I missed this before my last post. Link?
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Just a reminder that Pearl Jam is a band that supports many liberal ideas, movements, and policies.
Including but not limited to...
Pro-choice organizations
The Black Lives Matter Movement
Stricter gun laws and background checks
Etc.
Also please keep in mind that when you support a racist or racist policies in any way, shape, or form, including voting, that makes you a racist as well.
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Has this president stated anything remotely close to what Kamala is saying?
This incident makes me so angry and I know that people like my parents and the rural MAGAs I live around will blame this on the protesters and democrat mayors and governors. This president has fueled the unrest and division more than any foreign power could ever hope for.
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here is the kid's mom. looks like some brokeass tropic thunder cosplay.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."