Riots/Looting/Violence and general post-George Floyd madness

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,619
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    Armed protesters from out of town. I look forward to the condemnation. “Militia.”

    Is George Floyd coming back? Will Jacob Blake walk again? How about Breona Taylor? Is she going to wake up again?

    Proud Boys and Buggaloos murdering people again. Looking forward to their speaking at the RNC tomorrow night to close out the show.

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  • PJPOWER
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    edited August 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And just look at how these thugs were treated. And some wonder how we got where we are? Too bad, I guess, tsk, tsk.

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  • PJNB
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    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2020
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property and their own lives.  Just yesterday a 70 year old man was beaten and could have been killed by these looters, and I think it would have been okay to for him to have protected himself with a firearm.  I wish he had.  It was just a matter of time.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
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  • PJNB
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    edited August 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
  • nicknyr15
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And just look at how these thugs were treated. And some wonder how we got where we are? Too bad, I guess, tsk, tsk.

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    You’re too funny. What you choose to post and not post is just, so funny. The right barely mentions the pandemic, the left doesn’t address all the insanity taking place in blue states on a nightly basis. Both sides are a joke. Suckers. 
  • PJPOWER
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    edited August 2020
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    Read it how you may.  He was not executed...he was stopped from burning down someone’s livelihood.  I’m fine with people protecting their businesses and property and families by whatever means.  Do you support the looters?  Is that a yes?
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,319
    edited August 2020
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    No. But you’re dealing with a bunch of untrained maniacs. Nights of rioting will eventually bring out people who have to defend their property and neighborhoods. It’s an accident waiting to happen. It’s happened before with the elderly officer who was executed for a flat screen and it will continue to happen. None of these “protests” are doing any good. Let’s not forget there’s still a fucking pandemic. And guess what, these police shootings will continue to happen. There will never be zero cases. So now what?  Every time an unfortunate situation happens we completely burn the whole city down and cause further unrest? I just don’t get any of this. It would be nice if there was some sort of leaderShip in these cities or from BLM to take control of this bullshit. Instead, leaders make believe it’s not happening and BLM leaders condone it and call it reparations.  Well done. 
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  • cincybearcat
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    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

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  • nicknyr15
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    cincybearcat said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

    100%. Much better worded than my above post. But this is exactly my feelings. 
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    cincybearcat said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

    I am not pretending anything. It is a life that is lost due to looting. That is what is being discussed here. Did that person deserve to lose their life for making a bad decision last night? Did the group of people "protecting" that gas station have the right to shoot and kill the looters? Do they have the right to defend the business (not even sure it was theirs or even if they had any ties to it) by any means necessary? If they are allowed to kill looters this has to be the start of open warfare on the streets does it not? If someone throws a rock through a window is that a death sentence? 




  • Ledbetterman10
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    cincybearcat said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
    Yep. And there's just so many opportunists. When a black man get shot by police like Blake did the other day, sure there's a lot of people that are legitimately angry about it. But there's others that simply revel in the fact that it opens up an opportunity to loot and riot. And with all that going on, there's opportunists that revel in the fact that it opens up an opportunity to walk around with assault weapons shooting people. 

    While agree that there are many people that feel inclined to take the law into their own hands with this shit going on to protect themselves and their property, there's also crazies that look at it as an opportunity to just kill people. If you're a far-right militia outfit looking to harm people, a place like Kenosha (now) or Portland (over the past few months) is where you'd go to do it. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    nicknyr15 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

    100%. Much better worded than my above post. But this is exactly my feelings. 
    So gee, let’s start with reducing or eliminating #1, cops shooting unarmed black people. 
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    PJPOWER said:
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    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
    Yep. And there's just so many opportunists. When a black man get shot by police like Blake did the other day, sure there's a lot of people that are legitimately angry about it. But there's others that simply revel in the fact that it opens up an opportunity to loot and riot. And with all that going on, there's opportunists that revel in the fact that it opens up an opportunity to walk around with assault weapons shooting people. 

    While agree that there are many people that feel inclined to take the law into their own hands with this shit going on to protect themselves and their property, there's also crazies that look at it as an opportunity to just kill people. If you're a far-right militia outfit looking to harm people, a place like Kenosha (now) or Portland (over the past few months) is where you'd go to do it. 
    Great points on both paragraphs. 

    My wife had her business she owns vandalized back in April. Someone drove through the front window and actually ended up in the clinic and went through some stuff. My wifes business is not the type of business that you would rob so why this was done is unknown to us. If I was there at the time and I feared for my life I would not have hesitated to take the person down by any means necessary. 

    Now in the above case if I knew their would be riots going on and my wifes business was at risk due to all of the above points from Cincy would I stand in front of the clinic and protect it by any means necessary? Fuck no. That is what insurance is for and the above incident was covered 100% here. 

    I do realize that it maybe different for other people however and could mean their livelihood is ruined forever. Does this mean that you should kill people that are trying to loot your store? I do not think so but that is just me and am definitely not in that situation where the riots are happening. If I was maybe my opinion would be different I am not sure. 
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    And just look at how these thugs were treated. And some wonder how we got where we are? Too bad, I guess, tsk, tsk.

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    You’re too funny. What you choose to post and not post is just, so funny. The right barely mentions the pandemic, the left doesn’t address all the insanity taking place in blue states on a nightly basis. Both sides are a joke. Suckers. 
    Hilarious, coming from someone who’s only source of information they share is from the NY Post. If you read up on the murders in Kenosha, you’d know there were armed counter protesters from out of town who responded to an untrue Facebook post that pipe bombs were being used and that the armed, Murderous thugs at the gas station, didn’t own the gas station and it wasn’t being looted or burned to the ground when the murders occurred. But yea, let’s blame both sides. What pandemic? It went away like things go away.

    Weren’t some posters on here railing against the rioting sparked In Chicago? by a false Facebook post that cops shot a black person? Guess it only matters when it doesn’t fit your ANTIFA/BLM narrative? 
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    And just look at how these thugs were treated. And some wonder how we got where we are? Too bad, I guess, tsk, tsk.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/25/ammon-bundy-idaho/
    You’re too funny. What you choose to post and not post is just, so funny. The right barely mentions the pandemic, the left doesn’t address all the insanity taking place in blue states on a nightly basis. Both sides are a joke. Suckers. 
    Hilarious, coming from someone who’s only source of information they share is from the NY Post. If you read up on the murders in Kenosha, you’d know there were armed counter protesters from out of town who responded to an untrue Facebook post that pipe bombs were being used and that the armed, Murderous thugs at the gas station, didn’t own the gas station and it wasn’t being looted or burned to the ground when the murders occurred. But yea, let’s blame both sides. What pandemic? It went away like things go away.

    Weren’t some posters on here railing against the rioting sparked In Chicago? by a false Facebook post that cops shot a black person? Guess it only matters when it doesn’t fit your ANTIFA/BLM narrative? 
    I don’t have a narrative. You do. 
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    PJNB said:
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    cincybearcat said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
    Yep. And there's just so many opportunists. When a black man get shot by police like Blake did the other day, sure there's a lot of people that are legitimately angry about it. But there's others that simply revel in the fact that it opens up an opportunity to loot and riot. And with all that going on, there's opportunists that revel in the fact that it opens up an opportunity to walk around with assault weapons shooting people. 

    While agree that there are many people that feel inclined to take the law into their own hands with this shit going on to protect themselves and their property, there's also crazies that look at it as an opportunity to just kill people. If you're a far-right militia outfit looking to harm people, a place like Kenosha (now) or Portland (over the past few months) is where you'd go to do it. 
    Great points on both paragraphs. 

    My wife had her business she owns vandalized back in April. Someone drove through the front window and actually ended up in the clinic and went through some stuff. My wifes business is not the type of business that you would rob so why this was done is unknown to us. If I was there at the time and I feared for my life I would not have hesitated to take the person down by any means necessary. 

    Now in the above case if I knew their would be riots going on and my wifes business was at risk due to all of the above points from Cincy would I stand in front of the clinic and protect it by any means necessary? Fuck no. That is what insurance is for and the above incident was covered 100% here. 

    I do realize that it maybe different for other people however and could mean their livelihood is ruined forever. Does this mean that you should kill people that are trying to loot your store? I do not think so but that is just me and am definitely not in that situation where the riots are happening. If I was maybe my opinion would be different I am not sure. 
    That sucks that happened to your wife's business, and since it sounds like an isolated incident done by some lone lunatic, I can totally understand you taking the guy down by any means necessary if you were there. I'd do the same.

    But like you said, in one of these cities that's devolved into complete madness, I wouldn't be standing out front defending my business from a mob. What good is going to come of that? Either I'd get shot, or I'd be forced to shoot someone. I don't want anything to do with either of those scenarios. 
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble
    Yep. And there's just so many opportunists. When a black man get shot by police like Blake did the other day, sure there's a lot of people that are legitimately angry about it. But there's others that simply revel in the fact that it opens up an opportunity to loot and riot. And with all that going on, there's opportunists that revel in the fact that it opens up an opportunity to walk around with assault weapons shooting people. 

    While agree that there are many people that feel inclined to take the law into their own hands with this shit going on to protect themselves and their property, there's also crazies that look at it as an opportunity to just kill people. If you're a far-right militia outfit looking to harm people, a place like Kenosha (now) or Portland (over the past few months) is where you'd go to do it. 
    Great points on both paragraphs. 

    My wife had her business she owns vandalized back in April. Someone drove through the front window and actually ended up in the clinic and went through some stuff. My wifes business is not the type of business that you would rob so why this was done is unknown to us. If I was there at the time and I feared for my life I would not have hesitated to take the person down by any means necessary. 

    Now in the above case if I knew their would be riots going on and my wifes business was at risk due to all of the above points from Cincy would I stand in front of the clinic and protect it by any means necessary? Fuck no. That is what insurance is for and the above incident was covered 100% here. 

    I do realize that it maybe different for other people however and could mean their livelihood is ruined forever. Does this mean that you should kill people that are trying to loot your store? I do not think so but that is just me and am definitely not in that situation where the riots are happening. If I was maybe my opinion would be different I am not sure. 
    That sucks that happened to your wife's business, and since it sounds like an isolated incident done by some lone lunatic, I can totally understand you taking the guy down by any means necessary if you were there. I'd do the same.

    But like you said, in one of these cities that's devolved into complete madness, I wouldn't be standing out front defending my business from a mob. What good is going to come of that? Either I'd get shot, or I'd be forced to shoot someone. I don't want anything to do with either of those scenarios. 
    I think the type of people that would be doing the protecting have to be coming from two groups (and I could be wrong with this). Those that are starving due to covid already and can not survive with their business on fire or they are the type that are looking for a reason to kill/hurt people. If early reports are true on this one, often times they are not, then this looks like an incident where the people doing the killing where looking for a reason to do so. It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next couple of days and if others start to follow suit "protecting" businesses.  


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