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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,042
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJNB said:
    Mike I sent you the first vid on Facebook.
    Yup.  Definitely not self defense.  Fucking crazy.  
    Is that video different from the one posted about 4 pages ago.
    Its of the first shooting, I couldn’t see exactly what was going on but you hear shots and see a guy fall in the distance. The shooter is the first to check on him. I first thought he was just checking out his handy work but it looks like he was actually the first to call 911 and get help before being told to leave.
    The second shooting a minute later is self defense, but that depends if they had reason to attack him or not. And that depends if the first shooting was justified. 
    Now a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be walking around playing militia in the first place. But I haven’t seen what, if anything, triggered him to shoot that first guy. That to me is the difference between self defense and 2 murder convictions.
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    That terrorist better be tried as an adult and put away for a long time...maybe even life.  Trayvon was 17 and got killed for wearing a hoodie while walking home.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,935
    static111 said:
    That terrorist better be tried as an adult and put away for a long time...maybe even life.  Trayvon was 17 and got killed for wearing a hoodie while walking home.
    Carrying the ever life threatening bag of Skittles.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,019
    edited August 2020
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJNB said:
    Mike I sent you the first vid on Facebook.
    Yup.  Definitely not self defense.  Fucking crazy.  
    Is that video different from the one posted about 4 pages ago.
    Its of the first shooting, I couldn’t see exactly what was going on but you hear shots and see a guy fall in the distance. The shooter is the first to check on him. I first thought he was just checking out his handy work but it looks like he was actually the first to call 911 and get help before being told to leave.
    The second shooting a minute later is self defense, but that depends if they had reason to attack him or not. And that depends if the first shooting was justified. 
    Now a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be walking around playing militia in the first place. But I haven’t seen what, if anything, triggered him to shoot that first guy. That to me is the difference between self defense and 2 murder convictions.
     The first video he is being chased and a garbage can is thrown at him.  Allegedly he turns around and shoots the person.  I mean he was being chased but man, you just can’t turn around and kill the person imo.  However maybe a jury will look at it differently?
    the video cutz posted that I commented on it seems like he is being surrounded and attacked by a skateboarder and allegedly a man with a handgun. Crazy times my friend.  
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,304
    static111 said:
    That terrorist better be tried as an adult and put away for a long time...maybe even life.  Trayvon was 17 and got killed for wearing a hoodie while walking home.
    Carrying the ever life threatening bag of Skittles.
    And Zimmerman still walked, and continues to be a POS to this day.

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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,353
    static111 said:
    That terrorist better be tried as an adult and put away for a long time...maybe even life.  Trayvon was 17 and got killed for wearing a hoodie while walking home.
    Carrying the ever life threatening bag of Skittles.
    One could get lodged in your throat. Between that and Junior Mints being sewn into folks having surgery its candy-anarchy.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,779
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJNB said:
    Mike I sent you the first vid on Facebook.
    Yup.  Definitely not self defense.  Fucking crazy.  
    Is that video different from the one posted about 4 pages ago.
    Its of the first shooting, I couldn’t see exactly what was going on but you hear shots and see a guy fall in the distance. The shooter is the first to check on him. I first thought he was just checking out his handy work but it looks like he was actually the first to call 911 and get help before being told to leave.
    The second shooting a minute later is self defense, but that depends if they had reason to attack him or not. And that depends if the first shooting was justified. 
    Now a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be walking around playing militia in the first place. But I haven’t seen what, if anything, triggered him to shoot that first guy. That to me is the difference between self defense and 2 murder convictions.
    Is there a video of the first shooting? I posted one earlier of the aftermath when the person shot was on the ground with people surrounding him...but is there confirmation that 17-year-old was the shooter in the one? I know he’s charged with murder. But is the charge for the two guys in the street only? Or those two guys and the first guy that was shot?
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    Much calmer scene tonight in Kenosha as of 9:30pm.  Hopefully it stays peaceful.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,304
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJNB said:
    Mike I sent you the first vid on Facebook.
    Yup.  Definitely not self defense.  Fucking crazy.  
    Is that video different from the one posted about 4 pages ago.
    Its of the first shooting, I couldn’t see exactly what was going on but you hear shots and see a guy fall in the distance. The shooter is the first to check on him. I first thought he was just checking out his handy work but it looks like he was actually the first to call 911 and get help before being told to leave.
    The second shooting a minute later is self defense, but that depends if they had reason to attack him or not. And that depends if the first shooting was justified. 
    Now a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be walking around playing militia in the first place. But I haven’t seen what, if anything, triggered him to shoot that first guy. That to me is the difference between self defense and 2 murder convictions.
    Is there a video of the first shooting? I posted one earlier of the aftermath when the person shot was on the ground with people surrounding him...but is there confirmation that 17-year-old was the shooter in the one? I know he’s charged with murder. But is the charge for the two guys in the street only? Or those two guys and the first guy that was shot?
    That first tweet you posted was of him shooting the first guy, right at the beginning of the video. He injured and killed another guy in the second tweet you posted.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,779
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJNB said:
    Mike I sent you the first vid on Facebook.
    Yup.  Definitely not self defense.  Fucking crazy.  
    Is that video different from the one posted about 4 pages ago.
    Its of the first shooting, I couldn’t see exactly what was going on but you hear shots and see a guy fall in the distance. The shooter is the first to check on him. I first thought he was just checking out his handy work but it looks like he was actually the first to call 911 and get help before being told to leave.
    The second shooting a minute later is self defense, but that depends if they had reason to attack him or not. And that depends if the first shooting was justified. 
    Now a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be walking around playing militia in the first place. But I haven’t seen what, if anything, triggered him to shoot that first guy. That to me is the difference between self defense and 2 murder convictions.
    Is there a video of the first shooting? I posted one earlier of the aftermath when the person shot was on the ground with people surrounding him...but is there confirmation that 17-year-old was the shooter in the one? I know he’s charged with murder. But is the charge for the two guys in the street only? Or those two guys and the first guy that was shot?
    That first tweet you posted was of him shooting the first guy, right at the beginning of the video. He injured and killed another guy in the second tweet you posted.
    Yeah someone here then sent me the full video of the first shooting in a PM. It’s definitely him. So my guess is both incidents happened in a short span of time. He shot the first guy, began running away, got chased, tripped and fell, then shot the next two guys as they got near. That might not be accurate, but it’s what I’ve pasted together so far. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,304
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJNB said:
    Mike I sent you the first vid on Facebook.
    Yup.  Definitely not self defense.  Fucking crazy.  
    Is that video different from the one posted about 4 pages ago.
    Its of the first shooting, I couldn’t see exactly what was going on but you hear shots and see a guy fall in the distance. The shooter is the first to check on him. I first thought he was just checking out his handy work but it looks like he was actually the first to call 911 and get help before being told to leave.
    The second shooting a minute later is self defense, but that depends if they had reason to attack him or not. And that depends if the first shooting was justified. 
    Now a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be walking around playing militia in the first place. But I haven’t seen what, if anything, triggered him to shoot that first guy. That to me is the difference between self defense and 2 murder convictions.
    Is there a video of the first shooting? I posted one earlier of the aftermath when the person shot was on the ground with people surrounding him...but is there confirmation that 17-year-old was the shooter in the one? I know he’s charged with murder. But is the charge for the two guys in the street only? Or those two guys and the first guy that was shot?
    That first tweet you posted was of him shooting the first guy, right at the beginning of the video. He injured and killed another guy in the second tweet you posted.
    Yeah someone here then sent me the full video of the first shooting in a PM. It’s definitely him. So my guess is both incidents happened in a short span of time. He shot the first guy, began running away, got chased, tripped and fell, then shot the next two guys as they got near. That might not be accurate, but it’s what I’ve pasted together so far. 
    That's also what I gathered.

    Sad all around. I do have empathy for the 17 year old. He was in way over his head. It's sad that we live in a society where he could get in that situation. He probably felt like he was on top of the world helping out his hero's the police.

    But he took 2 lives and fucked up how many more last night. For that there needs to be justice 
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    cutzcutz Posts: 11,533
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJNB said:
    Mike I sent you the first vid on Facebook.
    Yup.  Definitely not self defense.  Fucking crazy.  
    Is that video different from the one posted about 4 pages ago.
    Its of the first shooting, I couldn’t see exactly what was going on but you hear shots and see a guy fall in the distance. The shooter is the first to check on him. I first thought he was just checking out his handy work but it looks like he was actually the first to call 911 and get help before being told to leave.
    The second shooting a minute later is self defense, but that depends if they had reason to attack him or not. And that depends if the first shooting was justified. 
    Now a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be walking around playing militia in the first place. But I haven’t seen what, if anything, triggered him to shoot that first guy. That to me is the difference between self defense and 2 murder convictions.
    Is there a video of the first shooting? I posted one earlier of the aftermath when the person shot was on the ground with people surrounding him...but is there confirmation that 17-year-old was the shooter in the one? I know he’s charged with murder. But is the charge for the two guys in the street only? Or those two guys and the first guy that was shot?
    I think this is the first 


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    DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,488
    cutz said:
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJNB said:
    Mike I sent you the first vid on Facebook.
    Yup.  Definitely not self defense.  Fucking crazy.  
    Is that video different from the one posted about 4 pages ago.
    Its of the first shooting, I couldn’t see exactly what was going on but you hear shots and see a guy fall in the distance. The shooter is the first to check on him. I first thought he was just checking out his handy work but it looks like he was actually the first to call 911 and get help before being told to leave.
    The second shooting a minute later is self defense, but that depends if they had reason to attack him or not. And that depends if the first shooting was justified. 
    Now a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be walking around playing militia in the first place. But I haven’t seen what, if anything, triggered him to shoot that first guy. That to me is the difference between self defense and 2 murder convictions.
    Is there a video of the first shooting? I posted one earlier of the aftermath when the person shot was on the ground with people surrounding him...but is there confirmation that 17-year-old was the shooter in the one? I know he’s charged with murder. But is the charge for the two guys in the street only? Or those two guys and the first guy that was shot?
    I think this is the first 


    Sounds more to me that he says “I just killed somebody.” But maybe I should listen with headphones to hear more clearly.
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    Must be a special on Toilet paper and hand sanitizer at this Target in MN Tonight....What sparked this righteous behavior you ask??? Well, you know ...BLM.  Even if you kill yourself wanted for a murder....

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,935
    Three guesses for his name. Bonus points if you can name the “responsible” gun owner.


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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,935
    White guy walking toward police, alternating between hands up and reaching behind him touching/grabbing his slung long gun, while bystanders scream he just shot someone and he doesn’t even get shot in the ass? A whole down range view of people laying down, crouching and not a shot fired at the white thug? Yea, sure, race doesn’t matter in a shootout. Did they take him for Jack in the Box after they arrested him?
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,838
    Rittenhouse is gonna walk on the murders.  Hopefully the gun crime sticks and keeps him from ever being a cop.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,935
    OnWis97 said:
    Rittenhouse is gonna walk on the murders.  Hopefully the gun crime sticks and keeps him from ever being a cop.
    Self defense argument? Narrow purview of local DA? Or all white jury?
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    WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe I have no idea what's going on right now! Posts: 4,957
    White guy walking toward police, alternating between hands up and reaching behind him touching/grabbing his slung long gun, while bystanders scream he just shot someone and he doesn’t even get shot in the ass? A whole down range view of people laying down, crouching and not a shot fired at the white thug? Yea, sure, race doesn’t matter in a shootout. Did they take him for Jack in the Box after they arrested him?
    You've got it mistaken. They didn't shoot him because his back wasn't to them. Nothing to do with race at all. Just ask the supposed LEO troll up there that now poses as a woman on here. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,935
    White guy walking toward police, alternating between hands up and reaching behind him touching/grabbing his slung long gun, while bystanders scream he just shot someone and he doesn’t even get shot in the ass? A whole down range view of people laying down, crouching and not a shot fired at the white thug? Yea, sure, race doesn’t matter in a shootout. Did they take him for Jack in the Box after they arrested him?
    You've got it mistaken. They didn't shoot him because his back wasn't to them. Nothing to do with race at all. Just ask the supposed LEO troll up there that now poses as a woman on here. 
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    White guy walking toward police, alternating between hands up and reaching behind him touching/grabbing his slung long gun, while bystanders scream he just shot someone and he doesn’t even get shot in the ass? A whole down range view of people laying down, crouching and not a shot fired at the white thug? Yea, sure, race doesn’t matter in a shootout. Did they take him for Jack in the Box after they arrested him?
    You've got it mistaken. They didn't shoot him because his back wasn't to them. Nothing to do with race at all. Just ask the supposed LEO troll up there that now poses as a woman on here. 
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    Must be working undercover these days...
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    White guy walking toward police, alternating between hands up and reaching behind him touching/grabbing his slung long gun, while bystanders scream he just shot someone and he doesn’t even get shot in the ass? A whole down range view of people laying down, crouching and not a shot fired at the white thug? Yea, sure, race doesn’t matter in a shootout. Did they take him for Jack in the Box after they arrested him?
    You've got it mistaken. They didn't shoot him because his back wasn't to them. Nothing to do with race at all. Just ask the supposed LEO troll up there that now poses as a woman on here. 
    Musky like a skunk on a bumpy ride?
    Must be working undercover these days...
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,779
    OnWis97 said:
    Rittenhouse is gonna walk on the murders.  Hopefully the gun crime sticks and keeps him from ever being a cop.
    If it was just based off the actual shootings, he might walk because it did look like he was being attacked in both instances. But on the other hand, he had broken some serious gun laws in the first place, and that may factor in to the murder charges. 

    Say for example you were driving and someone else ran a stoplight and you crashed into them and killed them. You wouldn’t get in trouble because it’d be their fault for running the stoplight. But say you were drunk. You’d probably be considered at fault because you’re breaking DUI laws, even if the other person ran the stoplight. Similar logic might be applied here. Maybe? I don’t know, it’s not going to be a cut-and-dry murder case, but prosecutors could probably build some sort of case. He was obviously looking for trouble if he came to a riot scene from out of town with a semi-automatic. 
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,026
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

    Detailed timeline of what happened from the footage that we have. There is definitely a piece missing here from the start of the first altercation. We all can make assumptions and guess what happened but the truth is not one of us here know what started this. I hope the investigators have more info to put the charges forth that they have.

    This 17 year old for some reason thought it was up to him to cross state lines and carry an AR-15 illegally and stand in front of a dealership and protect it. At that age why this is a priority for a kid I have no idea and hope it is part of the investigation. He is almost an adult and it seems to me that some of the adults in his life have either brainwashed him and failed him on all levels. 

    Also fuck the police for giving a kid with AR-15 water and being grateful for him helping them out. That shit has to stop. Same thing happened with the riots a couple of months ago. Giving armed civilians the heads up they were going to flash bang the area and for them to leave. They drove by him after the shooting with people pointing out he was the shooter. Did they do so intentionally? Probably not but still another fuck up on their part. 

    Again as the case with the man that was shot 7 times we have people that are confrontational to others that have firearms. What would trigger someone that was unarmed to run after and throw things at a kid who has a rifle? I feel for those two families that were killed a couple of nights ago the most. It is easy to see these headlines and these videos and become desensitized to these situations since they are happening daily. 
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    Must be a special on Toilet paper and hand sanitizer at this Target in MN Tonight....What sparked this righteous behavior you ask??? Well, you know ...BLM.  Even if you kill yourself wanted for a murder....

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    You still around I thought by now you’d be sporting the long riffle and marching with the orange militia Karen! 

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    Must be a special on Toilet paper and hand sanitizer at this Target in MN Tonight....What sparked this righteous behavior you ask??? Well, you know ...BLM.  Even if you kill yourself wanted for a murder....

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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    You don’t get to threaten People and then claim self defense.  I thought we went over this when an armed protester In Austin was shot and killed for being threatening?  The person who was adult enough to take two lives gets no sympathy from me. 
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    static111 said:
    You don’t get to threaten People and then claim self defense.  I thought we went over this when an armed protester In Austin was shot and killed for being threatening?  The person who was adult enough to take two lives gets no sympathy from me. 
    Was the person that shot Foster in Austin ever charged?  That case kind of dropped off the radar.
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    static111 said:
    You don’t get to threaten People and then claim self defense.  I thought we went over this when an armed protester In Austin was shot and killed for being threatening?  The person who was adult enough to take two lives gets no sympathy from me. 
    Was the person that shot Foster in Austin ever charged?  That case kind of dropped off the radar.
    Not yet
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    bbiggs said:
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    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

    Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

    Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

    You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

    The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

    Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJNB said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Shit is out of control. One of the rioters was shot in the head in Kenosha last night:


    And there was a madman with an assault-style weapon shooting people. Not sure if it’s the same guy that shot the guy in the first video. But he shoots  two people at short range in this video:

    Graphic:
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1298507433975799809?s=21

    Just complete and utter fucking chaos. 
    There ya have it...That is going to be the result of looting and burning people’s businesses.  The business owners can not afford to just let their businesses get burned to the ground.  They are going to start fighting back...and I don’t blame them.  What did they think would happen?

    You think its ok to execute someone for looting?
    I think it’s okay for people to protect their property.  
    So thats a yes? 
    It's not a great question, you are pretending it's all happening in a vacuum.

    It's Newton's 3rd law.

    1) Cops shoot black man in back
    2) Protests
    3) People using protest to destroy and loot 
    4) Leadership fails to adequately handle the situation 
    5) People take action into their own hands

    Stupid gun laws + stupid police norms + stupid looters = Kenosha, WI

    When we leave regular citizens to make the determination on appropriate level of force....we are in big trouble

    Trick question.  When this de-funding of the police movement continues to progress, do we think more or less people will start taking matters into their own hands?  I think we're seeing the answer very clearly.

    Less, because the idea is there will be less situations for those to "take matters" into whomever's hands.  It's about trying to rebuild the community infrastructure, because it has suffered from decades of neglect from white people vacating those neighborhoods because they couldn't handle the thought of equality with black people.  Rather than stay and continue to sustain or further build the economy, they jumped ship and it was left behind to people who couldn't financially support what had been built to that point.  Defunding the police, or better said to try to build communities through pushing more budget toward public services is not a short-term fix.  It will take several years to build.  What short-term fix in the past 50 years has made it more safe for a black person when apprehended by police?  It's this constant "retraining" or "reform" that is nothing more than a CYA that constantly moves the system laterally.

    You're a trusting man, apparently.  I don't have the faith that you do.  If what you say is correct and this de-funding movement results in some better world, I'm not sure what will be left standing by the time that happens.  Might as well scrape these cities and start from the ground up at this rate.

    The reason why this shit is happening is because there are black men still being gunned down or strangled to death.  The opportunists can't find an opportunity to burn cities to the ground if there isn't a reason to protest.  Jesus, you think what is going on right now is going to fix the problem?  What is your solution to stop all of this?

    Don't have a solution and never claimed to have one.  Many here think they have all the answers.  I sure as fuck don't.  But taking cops off the street to let cities burn to the ground doesn't do a bit of good.

    I never said you had one, but if you're going to poke holes in other's logic, at least have something to contribute.  Defunding doesn't have to take cops off of the street.  Police budgets aren't all just about head count.  Plus who's to say cities will burn if there are less cops?  Cities are burning because of bad cops.  Not every cop is bad, but there is a systemic problem that needs to be issued and just saying less cops = cities to rubble isn't looking further than their hand in front of their face.

    Last time I'm going to respond because you and I are running in circles.  First, I have had plenty to contribute.  To summarize, don't take cops off the street and expect people to behave.  We're getting a crystal clear picture how that works out and it isn't pretty.  Also, don't condone looting and vandalism as acceptable behavior to combat racial inequality.  You disagree with my stance and that's fine.  I disagree with yours in that removing cops will better the situation.  So let's move on.  Second, who's to say cities will burn with less cops?  Ummm, have you turned on the news lately?  They are literally burning.  This is not a figure of speech.  You can champion your position and I can champion mine.  Neither of us want people being shot or beaten, and additionally, I don't want looting, burning or destruction.

    If cities are “literally burning” now, it is with the current complement of police, not in a defunded situation. Your speculation that things would be worse if police departments were altered in some way is just speculation, with no evidence. It’s also entirely possible that the situation in these cities would improve, if fewer police were harassing and assaulting their citizens. 
    Wrong.  Not speculation.  I know for a fact that police presence has been lessened in Chicago and there has been mayhem as a result.  Fact.  If you want to speculate that fewer police will lead to a eutopian city, have at it.

    Chicago has not reduced its police force, which is significantly more per capital than other large cities such as NYC and LA. They have not cut their police budget either. In the past, when the city has cut the police budget and consequently the number of police, crime rates fell during the same period. 

    So yes, you’re speculating. 
    Listen.  You can read and research all you want on the topic.  I live here and have friends in Chicago PD.  I'm getting first-hand accounts from "boots on the ground;" not what Google tells me.  The police presence has been intentionally scaled back during this surge of recent bullshit (i.e. looting, vandalizing, rioting).  So please don't tell me I'm speculating considering our distances to the source.
    So, the police department budget has not been cut, no funds have been transferred, no additional resources have been put elsewhere to deal with crime prevention, just a secretive measure to "scale back" ? That sounds exactly like what "defund the police" is not.

    And again, yes, you're speculating as to the cause of said "mayhem", particularly when similar "mayhem" is going on in cities across the country that have not made changes that you claim are happening in Chicago. 
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