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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Biden
    I watched Michelle's speech this morning.  It was quite good!  
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  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,406
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    I watched Michelle's speech this morning.  It was quite good!  
    It was an impressive speech!
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,967
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    you all are probably right about the obamas. why open yourself up to all of the bad parts of public life again?

    just wait for the gop convention. they are having that family from STL that pulled the guns on the BLM protesters. seems like they are having everybody that got canceled be a guest of some kind.

    imagine all the hatred that is going to come out of the mouths of the speakers there. it is going to be a complete 180 from this week.
    Isn't the GOP convention just going to be all be afraid, fear, hate, be afraid, fear? That wouldn't be attractive to me at all. I listened to the entire broadcast last night while I played a video game and I felt good when it was over. :)

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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    I actually thought last night went pretty well. I liked the addition of Kasich and the other never-Trumpers.  I'm not exactly a Kasich fan but he understands the gravity of the current situation and cares about maintaining the Republic. He's not party-first and I respect that.  They did a good job painting Biden as personable with the train rides and his interaction with the conductors and passengers. I liked Bernie's part, which acknowledged my key concern (authoritarianism) and where he finally said what his followers refuse to: Biden isn't perfect but Trump is worse; far worse. Michelle's was OK.  I thought she might have touched on too many points, almost. 

    But overall, they did a good job on taking digs at Trump, showing broad support for Biden, and saying good things about Biden, his plans, and his history. 

    The only things I did not like were the music (It just sort of was something to sit through) and that Eva Longoria was the host; nothing against her, but they should try to limit how front-and-center the Hollywood element is.  Not sure who it should have been (because it would be weird without one). The Dems are in a tough position having to do this first.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Biden
    ^I agree about Eva Longoria...although, I mean I have no issues watching her do just about anything, really. lol

    But, yeah the Hollywood thing isn't their best foot forward.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Biden
    I think Buttigieg could've worked in that hosting spot. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I think Buttigieg could've worked in that hosting spot. 
    Yeah that might've worked
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I think Buttigieg could've worked in that hosting spot. 
    Yeah that might've worked
    He actually guest-hosted Kimmel and did well enough for a politician.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited August 2020
    Biden
    Colbert's monologue on the DNC was great- I love the little animated thing near the beginning- so good!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    ^I agree about Eva Longoria...although, I mean I have no issues watching her do just about anything, really. lol

    But, yeah the Hollywood thing isn't their best foot forward.
    I think Longoria has been deeply involved in party politics for a while now, especially in getting out the vote  and increased representation for the Latin/Hispanic population. Her hosting made sense to me.

    With that said, I agree with those who said the thing was boring, flat, and awkward. I saw  a preview of tonight's schedule and it seems like the speakers are tasked to address more platform specific topics (voting rights, urban renewal among the ones I remember). Last night felt like the intro paragraph to a 4 paragraph essay:  Here's the general three point case for Biden (economy, equality, corona). Tuesday and Wednesday we'll get into the details, and then Thursday we'll go back to the general conclusion with Biden's speech. Maybe??
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,218
    Biden
    Kat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    you all are probably right about the obamas. why open yourself up to all of the bad parts of public life again?

    just wait for the gop convention. they are having that family from STL that pulled the guns on the BLM protesters. seems like they are having everybody that got canceled be a guest of some kind.

    imagine all the hatred that is going to come out of the mouths of the speakers there. it is going to be a complete 180 from this week.
    Isn't the GOP convention just going to be all be afraid, fear, hate, be afraid, fear? That wouldn't be attractive to me at all. I listened to the entire broadcast last night while I played a video game and I felt good when it was over. :)

    i think you nailed it. this is literally all they have to run on.

    criminal coronavirus response
    economy in the tank
    alienated our allies
    got americans banned from traveling to other countries
    tore up the iran deal and making us less safe
    gutting the usps
    using unmarked secret police to disappear protesters
    trying to gut obamacare in a pandemic with no plan for replacement
    racial animus.

    is there anything good they can run on at all besides tax cuts for billionaires?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Biden
    All you have to do is look at the list of people they have lined up to talk next week. Again, it's not about growing his base. It's about making people like Sean Hannity happy and firing up the 30% knuckleheads who would vote for him anyway. It will be full on culture war nonsense next week. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    All you have to do is look at the list of people they have lined up to talk next week. Again, it's not about growing his base. It's about making people like Sean Hannity happy and firing up the 30% knuckleheads who would vote for him anyway. It will be full on culture war nonsense next week. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
    Dan Rather via adbook....

    Joe Biden now has Colin Powell and Cindy McCain speaking for him at the Democratic Convention. But Donald Trump has the gun totin' couple from St. Louis. So... I call that even.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    "The radical leftist takeover of Joe Biden is complete."
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    edited August 2020
    Biden
    I watched good chunks of the convention on Monday and Wednesday and I think it's been solid overall.  The shots at Trump were unprecedented (particularly from the Obamas), but then again, so are the times. Harris did a good job; they've done a good job showing a broad group of supporters, showing Joe as very human and caring (which I believe, I just wish he was less creepy about it), hinting toward actual plans (without saying too much), and reminding us of the dangers of four more years.

    The GQP event should be quite a contrast.  I don't think they can really go for the "let's show Trump as a human" route.  First, it's not why people like him and and, more importantly, it would not be the least bit believable.  The Dems had the Obamas; they're going to have Scott Baio and the St. Louis Gun Couple. Here will be the themes, I suppose:
    • Socialism!  Biden/Harris is the most radical candidacy ever (laughable)
    • Black MAGA-hat wearers.  Candice Owens, I assume.
    • Biden's chaotic America (complete with film shot in Trump's America).
    • LAW AND ORDER!
    • Media is unfair to me.
    • Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!
    • Election fraud!
    • Qanon theories; without mention of Qanon.
    They simply can't paint him as relatable.  He's a miserable, loathsome ass.  Hell, 35% of the country has an unprecedented level of devotion to this man but nobody says like they did of W, that "he's the guy you'd like to have a beer with."  Unfortunately, that's not Biden, either.  Man, someone like Obama would run up the score on this loathsome clown."
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,967
    Biden
    Don't forget all the Clinton hate. Hillary, Bill, Clinton Foundation, as if there wouldn't have already been any indictment at all if there was any reason, even a slight one. It's going to be all hate and you must be afraid of this, that and the others...
    ugh. 
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  • cincybearcat
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    Biden
    Since no separate thread about DNC:

    1) I thought the first night was meh.  It was tough to watch much really.  Some good, lots of boring.
    2) I thought the second night was better.  I liked and hated the roll call all at the same time.  Some were just ridiculous and some looked like hostage videos.  But overall the night seemed to flow pretty smoothly.  Except "Delaware PASSES!!!!!!" Hahahaha was so funny.
    3) Night 3 was really quite spectacular.  Great format, great focus in issues (even if you don;t agree with the issue position, they were mostly all well done).  Great speech by Obama, man he got old fast.  I really liked Hillary's speech actually except her eyes were freaking me out. ,la was very good...a little awkward simply due to Covid and the sparse "crowd".  I wondered at first why she kept looking away from the camera to the sides.  Thought it was just for TV till they panned back.

    The only thing I thought was a swing and a miss was the immigrant family story.  Coming to the US for medical care that they "deserve".  Plays to the base I guess but I thought it gave a talking point to the GOP viewpoint.

    Very interesting and over all I think whoever organizaed it knocked it out of the park.  Not easy to do, and considering everything, it's about a 9/10 which is in reality a 10/10 in this environment.
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  • dignin
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    OnWis97 said:
    I watched good chunks of the convention on Monday and Wednesday and I think it's been solid overall.  The shots at Trump were unprecedented (particularly from the Obamas), but then again, so are the times. Harris did a good job; they've done a good job showing a broad group of supporters, showing Joe as very human and caring (which I believe, I just wish he was less creepy about it), hinting toward actual plans (without saying too much), and reminding us of the dangers of four more years.

    The GQP event should be quite a contrast.  I don't think they can really go for the "let's show Trump as a human" route.  First, it's not why people like him and and, more importantly, it would not be the least bit believable.  The Dems had the Obamas; they're going to have Scott Baio and the St. Louis Gun Couple. Here will be the themes, I suppose:
    • Socialism!  Biden/Harris is the most radical candidacy ever (laughable)
    • Black MAGA-hat wearers.  Candice Owens, I assume.
    • Biden's chaotic America (complete with film shot in Trump's America).
    • LAW AND ORDER!
    • Media is unfair to me.
    • Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!
    • Election fraud!
    • Qanon theories; without mention of Qanon.
    They simply can't paint him as relatable.  He's a miserable, loathsome ass.  Hell, 35% of the country has an unprecedented level of devotion to this man but nobody says like they did of W, that "he's the guy you'd like to have a beer with."  Unfortunately, that's not Biden, either.  Man, someone like Obama would run up the score on this loathsome clown."
    GQP, I like that.
  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
    interesting read....


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