mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what is the mean income of a teacher in the US? all my teacher friends in winnipeg do VERY well (at least to me, obviously it's all relative), and even better if they go back to school to up their education. 

Not many states would people consider new teachers doing very well here. I say new because most states had retirements cut in or around 2008, teachers getting ready to retire now are  much better off than teachers just starting out will have it.
Inwas born and raised California, after teaching there for 5 years, even though they are high on the list of teacher salaries, it didn’t match the cost of living. A 1600 square foot house can close $800,000 or more in LA. You can’t afford that on 60k. 

I moved to Colorado Springs 8 years ago. I took a big pay cut but the housing was affordable at the time. I didn’t realize health benefits sucked for teachers, something I hadn’t even considered because it wasn’t an issue before. Colorado was beginning a teacher shortage, and to attract new teachers they kept raising the minimum salary while giving veteran teachers a pay freeze. It got to the point where a 1st year teacher was making 40k, but you only recovered $100 raise each year for the first 6 years. Then about $200 after that. A teacher with 12 years of experience was only making about $54k. A teacher getting ready to retire was maybe maybe about 65k.

I got tired of that so I moved an hour north to Denver 1 year ago. Housing is about double, but salaries are better too, it was about a 20k raise but I’m paying more than double the mortgage of a similar house. For the first time in 13 years of teaching I wasn’t struggling financially. But I was told 2 weeks ago I’m getting about a 10k pay cut. So that was short lived. Some may say they were hit harder than that, and I know many were. But when a modest house costs about $450k and you’re making 75k, to be told to expect a 10k reduction to pay is pretty significant.

pjl44 said:

Do current teachers ever get insulted when they hear the argument that we should bump salaries to attract better candidates? Isn't the implication "hey, I'm sure you're doing the best you can, but we really need to have better people in the classroom"?

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what is the mean income of a teacher in the US? all my teacher friends in winnipeg do VERY well (at least to me, obviously it's all relative), and even better if they go back to school to up their education. 

Not many states would people consider new teachers doing very well here. I say new because most states had retirements cut in or around 2008, teachers getting ready to retire now are  much better off than teachers just starting out will have it.
Inwas born and raised California, after teaching there for 5 years, even though they are high on the list of teacher salaries, it didn’t match the cost of living. A 1600 square foot house can close $800,000 or more in LA. You can’t afford that on 60k. 

I moved to Colorado Springs 8 years ago. I took a big pay cut but the housing was affordable at the time. I didn’t realize health benefits sucked for teachers, something I hadn’t even considered because it wasn’t an issue before. Colorado was beginning a teacher shortage, and to attract new teachers they kept raising the minimum salary while giving veteran teachers a pay freeze. It got to the point where a 1st year teacher was making 40k, but you only recovered $100 raise each year for the first 6 years. Then about $200 after that. A teacher with 12 years of experience was only making about $54k. A teacher getting ready to retire was maybe maybe about 65k.

I got tired of that so I moved an hour north to Denver 1 year ago. Housing is about double, but salaries are better too, it was about a 20k raise but I’m paying more than double the mortgage of a similar house. For the first time in 13 years of teaching I wasn’t struggling financially. But I was told 2 weeks ago I’m getting about a 10k pay cut. So that was short lived. Some may say they were hit harder than that, and I know many were. But when a modest house costs about $450k and you’re making 75k, to be told to expect a 10k reduction to pay is pretty significant.

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mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

Wow hot topic!
If you count the tail, how many legs does a dog have?

Don't you have some mindless propaganda to post?

Nope i guess mindless people like you cant even smile or think anything through.

This was an insight check.  And you already failed mrussel1.  And it has everything do do with the coronavirus Madness.

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PJNB said:

RYME said:

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RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

Wow hot topic!
If you count the tail, how many legs does a dog have?

Don't you have some mindless propaganda to post?

Nope i guess mindless people like you cant even smile or think anything through.

This was an insight check.  And you already failed mrussel1.  And it has everything do do with the coronavirus Madness.

Explain how the Coronavirus Madness has to do with even if you called a dogs tail a leg it still is not a leg.... 

2+2 still = 4 not 5.
This is not even considered to be even an epidemic anymore.  Follow the sience.

What is an epidemic?

An epidemic is an outbreak of a disease that spreads quickly and affects many people at the same time. An outbreak occurs when there is a sudden increase in the number of cases of a disease, like COVID-19. It generally describes an increase that was not anticipated. An outbreak can occur in a community, geographical area or several countries.

Epidemic is often used broadly to describe any problem that has grown out of control. During an epidemic, the disease is actively spreading.

Examples of past epidemics are the 1918 Spanish flu, the measles outbreak from 1981 to 1991, and a 2014 case of whopping cough.