static111 said:

I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control.  Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months.   The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.

I think many thought it was under control, at least to the point where it was worth the risk. We can’t be shut down forever. In March The economy was so great that my school district was projected to receive $12 million increase in their budget. When the budget was announced in June it was cut my $25 million instead. That is in just 3 months we went from increasing $12 M to reducing it by $25 M. 

So basically, common sense. 

Imagine that. 

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Kat said:

This speaks for itself. 

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1280224179611107329

Great. There is a very strong argument for opening schools in the fall and it would be nice if people could have this extremely important discussion honestly and openly. I hope this doesn't become the next Team MAGA vs. Team Resistance slapfight. It was absolutely infuriating watching underinformed rageaholics scream at each other about the efficacy of a malaria drug, for instance.

I text my friend the trump tweet and his response was “well I guess we know it won’t be safe, he hasn’t be right about anything with this virus”

and then I saw the Lincoln project. And they aren’t wrong.

It's a fine response if a couple friends are joking with each other. It's a horrible response if it's in the context of actual decision-making.

I'll give LP the benefit of the doubt and assume they're just needling Trump because that seems to be their mission. But I think it sucks for the discourse and especially when we're on the verge of having to make an extraordinarily crucial decision on school openings.

If a Republican PAC was running ads solely to needle Biden - focusing on Hunter, highlighting video of him being creepy or speaking incoherently - we'd all see it for the lowest common denominator approach that it is. (This will probably happen, too.)

Lincoln Project are grifters:
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/05/lincoln-project-capitalizes-on-trump-rage/

Lincoln Project had a video pulled for misinformation:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/07/lincoln-project/mourning-america-ad-critical-trump-misleads-bailou/

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control.  Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months.   The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.

I think many thought it was under control, at least to the point where it was worth the risk. We can’t be shut down forever. In March The economy was so great that my school district was projected to receive $12 million increase in their budget. When the budget was announced in June it was cut my $25 million instead. That is in just 3 months we went from increasing $12 M to reducing it by $25 M. 

I do fear if this virus doesn’t get under control soon there will be irreparable damage to the economy. I’m not saying open at all costs, we do need to find a safe balance.

Is that swing based on expected loss of tax revenue due to unemployment and discretionary spending reduction?  Or is there something else happening in your state/county?

I'd also want to know what the heck is going on in mace's state (Colorado?) in general regarding education funding. From the a 10% pension contribution to exorbitantly rising health insurance premiums to now this -- it doesn't sound like the state and/or districts are very good stewards of the public's money, or they just don't seem to value public education. If I remember correctly, Colorado was one of the states that saw a teacher walk-out / "strike" in the past year or so. Every time I read one of mace's posts about teaching in that state, I count my blessings I don't teach there.

what dreams said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control.  Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months.   The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.

I think many thought it was under control, at least to the point where it was worth the risk. We can’t be shut down forever. In March The economy was so great that my school district was projected to receive $12 million increase in their budget. When the budget was announced in June it was cut my $25 million instead. That is in just 3 months we went from increasing $12 M to reducing it by $25 M. 

I do fear if this virus doesn’t get under control soon there will be irreparable damage to the economy. I’m not saying open at all costs, we do need to find a safe balance.

Is that swing based on expected loss of tax revenue due to unemployment and discretionary spending reduction?  Or is there something else happening in your state/county?

I'd also want to know what the heck is going on in mace's state (Colorado?) in general regarding education funding. From the a 10% pension contribution to exorbitantly rising health insurance premiums to now this -- it doesn't sound like the state and/or districts are very good stewards of the public's money, or they just don't seem to value public education. If I remember correctly, Colorado was one of the states that saw a teacher walk-out / "strike" in the past year or so. Every time I read one of mace's posts about teaching in that state, I count my blessings I don't teach there.

As a former Colorado resident I can tell you it was famous for being one of the lowest spending states per capita for education in the country. 
A lot of the tax revenue generated by tourists previous to 2014 (legal recreational marijuana) went to advertising for Colorado tourism and support of the tourism industry. 
Now there is supposed to be tax revenue from marijuana for the education system and infrastructure but don't know what is happening there.
Colorado has, I believe, 164 independent school districts in 64 counties that rely on the revenue generated from within their district. Some are big like Jefferson and Boulder county. Some are small like Gilpin county with just one K-12 school.

Throw in not very strong teacher's unions and you have the issues.

But over 300 days of sun a year and over 300 breweries. So it's a give and take.

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control.  Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months.   The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.

I think many thought it was under control, at least to the point where it was worth the risk. We can’t be shut down forever. In March The economy was so great that my school district was projected to receive $12 million increase in their budget. When the budget was announced in June it was cut my $25 million instead. That is in just 3 months we went from increasing $12 M to reducing it by $25 M. 

I do fear if this virus doesn’t get under control soon there will be irreparable damage to the economy. I’m not saying open at all costs, we do need to find a safe balance.

nicknyr15 said:

brianlux said:

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May I steal this and hang it at the front door of my store? 

👍🏼 You bet!