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Ledbetterman10 said:
We worked from home from March through mid-June, but now we're back. Again, I haven't been a saint about all this either. I wear my mask in stores and try to keep my hands sanitized, but I'm not acting like I did in April when I was sanitizing everything I bought from the store.OnWis97 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah I'm not too pleased about it. Not that I've been just sitting in my house for the past four months. I actually had a little July 4th gathering (only 6 people) that might have exposed me to something. But at least they're all local. My three co-workers have traveled to Ocean City, Maryland, Atlantic City, New Jersey, and some place in Maine respectively.SHZA said:
Ugh. My office has essentially banned non-essential business and personal travel unless approved, and we're still working from home. Seems pretty irresponsible to possibly bring something back to an office environment where one could infect others.Ledbetterman10 said:There are three people in my office (an office of only 7 people) that are away at the three different beaches this week. Hope they don't bring the virus back.There are still variations of what those "beaches" really mean, though. Hopefully they're full-fledged adults and they're not going to be part of one of those headline-grabbing parties we see.
I spent the weekend on Minnesota's "North Shore" and while it was probably the riskiest thing I've done this whole time, I spent very little time near anyone except for my wife (two restaurant dinners; one could have spaced us better). That said, 1) I'm not convinced it was a great idea and 2) I'm working from home.It's tough...most people aren't just hunkering in the house like they were in March and April. You could argue, easily, that we all should. It puts you in a bad position...especially if any of them don't buy into the value of keeping their distance. Not sure what you do...I'd consider looking into whether you can work from home (if that's logistically possible at your office).
We haven't been doing as much of that either, and I hope that's not a mistake. Fact is though, we can't go around sanitizing everything we come in contact with forever. I'm hoping that staying home as much as possible, always wearing a mask when going out, sanitizing or washing hands after going in a store or the post office, and not touching (or trying to remember to not touch) my face will suffice. I think if everybody did the basics, we might have a chance at getting this thing under control.
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Ledbetterman10 said:
We worked from home from March through mid-June, but now we're back. Again, I haven't been a saint about all this either. I wear my mask in stores and try to keep my hands sanitized, but I'm not acting like I did in April when I was sanitizing everything I bought from the store.OnWis97 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah I'm not too pleased about it. Not that I've been just sitting in my house for the past four months. I actually had a little July 4th gathering (only 6 people) that might have exposed me to something. But at least they're all local. My three co-workers have traveled to Ocean City, Maryland, Atlantic City, New Jersey, and some place in Maine respectively.SHZA said:
Ugh. My office has essentially banned non-essential business and personal travel unless approved, and we're still working from home. Seems pretty irresponsible to possibly bring something back to an office environment where one could infect others.Ledbetterman10 said:There are three people in my office (an office of only 7 people) that are away at the three different beaches this week. Hope they don't bring the virus back.There are still variations of what those "beaches" really mean, though. Hopefully they're full-fledged adults and they're not going to be part of one of those headline-grabbing parties we see.
I spent the weekend on Minnesota's "North Shore" and while it was probably the riskiest thing I've done this whole time, I spent very little time near anyone except for my wife (two restaurant dinners; one could have spaced us better). That said, 1) I'm not convinced it was a great idea and 2) I'm working from home.It's tough...most people aren't just hunkering in the house like they were in March and April. You could argue, easily, that we all should. It puts you in a bad position...especially if any of them don't buy into the value of keeping their distance. Not sure what you do...I'd consider looking into whether you can work from home (if that's logistically possible at your office).
I haven't even been to my office since March and won't until at least Labor Day (officially)...probably into 2021. I think that should be the norm where it's feasible. And maybe even the tradeoff for the summer trips your co-workers are taking.
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I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control. Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months. The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.Scio me nihil scire
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My husband too. Working (mostly?) from home makes a lot of sense if it’s viable.OnWis97 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
We worked from home from March through mid-June, but now we're back. Again, I haven't been a saint about all this either. I wear my mask in stores and try to keep my hands sanitized, but I'm not acting like I did in April when I was sanitizing everything I bought from the store.OnWis97 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah I'm not too pleased about it. Not that I've been just sitting in my house for the past four months. I actually had a little July 4th gathering (only 6 people) that might have exposed me to something. But at least they're all local. My three co-workers have traveled to Ocean City, Maryland, Atlantic City, New Jersey, and some place in Maine respectively.SHZA said:
Ugh. My office has essentially banned non-essential business and personal travel unless approved, and we're still working from home. Seems pretty irresponsible to possibly bring something back to an office environment where one could infect others.Ledbetterman10 said:There are three people in my office (an office of only 7 people) that are away at the three different beaches this week. Hope they don't bring the virus back.There are still variations of what those "beaches" really mean, though. Hopefully they're full-fledged adults and they're not going to be part of one of those headline-grabbing parties we see.
I spent the weekend on Minnesota's "North Shore" and while it was probably the riskiest thing I've done this whole time, I spent very little time near anyone except for my wife (two restaurant dinners; one could have spaced us better). That said, 1) I'm not convinced it was a great idea and 2) I'm working from home.It's tough...most people aren't just hunkering in the house like they were in March and April. You could argue, easily, that we all should. It puts you in a bad position...especially if any of them don't buy into the value of keeping their distance. Not sure what you do...I'd consider looking into whether you can work from home (if that's logistically possible at your office).
I haven't even been to my office since March and won't until at least Labor Day (officially)...probably into 2021. I think that should be the norm where it's feasible. And maybe even the tradeoff for the summer trips your co-workers are taking.0 -
This is a bit extreme, to say the least. So you’re saying that none of the countries that have the virus under control are capitalist countries?static111 said:I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control. Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months. The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.0 -
I said “capitalism at all costs” Meaning the mindset. Not capitalism in general. It appears that the countries that got things under control were able to take somebbiggs said:
This is a bit extreme, to say the least. So you’re saying that none of the countries that have the virus under control are capitalist countries?static111 said:I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control. Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months. The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.
Extreme measure that we refused to, for largely economic and political reasons. It seems pretty clear that all of the states in a rush to open were motivated more by the economy and capitalism than any scientific evidence.Post edited by static111 onScio me nihil scire
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bbiggs said:
This is a bit extreme, to say the least. So you’re saying that none of the countries that have the virus under control are capitalist countries?static111 said:I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control. Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months. The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.I think the thing that sets the US apart is more that we are the most individualistic, as opposed to collective, country in the world. That's at least a part of why you see so many people decrying masks as an affront to "choice" and "freedom" and mocking wearers as sheep. The idea of inconveniencing one's self for the greater good is not really embraced here (see fuel consumption behaviors, for example). There's a capitalistic thread to it all; the belief that the invisible hand magically fixes everything. Of course, we're also extremely politicized at this moment and one ones calling out the sheep won't do anything their leader doesn't do...It's kind of a tragedy of the commons. Does whether I wear a mask make a huge impact? Maybe not. But when 35% of the population refuses to literally anywhere (even hospitals in some cases), then it does. While a lot of people probably don't believe the idea that nearly universal mask wearing would make a huge difference, some probably do but aren't going to change their behavior for that reason. This can be seen in the anti-vax movement, as well. If someone has evidence to the contrary let me know, but Americans seem less interested in looking out for the whole than people in a lot of other countries.I'm convinced that if the masks primarily helped the wearer, as opposed to those around the wearer, they'd be much more popular.
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Bingo.OnWis97 said:bbiggs said:
This is a bit extreme, to say the least. So you’re saying that none of the countries that have the virus under control are capitalist countries?static111 said:I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control. Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months. The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.I think the thing that sets the US apart is more that we are the most individualistic, as opposed to collective, country in the world. That's at least a part of why you see so many people decrying masks as an affront to "choice" and "freedom" and mocking wearers as sheep. The idea of inconveniencing one's self for the greater good is not really embraced here (see fuel consumption behaviors, for example). There's a capitalistic thread to it all; the belief that the invisible hand magically fixes everything. Of course, we're also extremely politicized at this moment and one ones calling out the sheep won't do anything their leader doesn't do...It's kind of a tragedy of the commons. Does whether I wear a mask make a huge impact? Maybe not. But when 35% of the population refuses to literally anywhere (even hospitals in some cases), then it does. While a lot of people probably don't believe the idea that nearly universal mask wearing would make a huge difference, some probably do but aren't going to change their behavior for that reason. This can be seen in the anti-vax movement, as well. If someone has evidence to the contrary let me know, but Americans seem less interested in looking out for the whole than people in a lot of other countries.I'm convinced that if the masks primarily helped the wearer, as opposed to those around the wearer, they'd be much more popular.0 -
Popularity should have nothing to do with wearing a mask. It should be about doing what makes sense and being responsible. Too many people have failed to learn/ be taught being sensible and responsible.
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Ha. Was going to post the same.nicknyr15 said:
Bingo.OnWis97 said:bbiggs said:
This is a bit extreme, to say the least. So you’re saying that none of the countries that have the virus under control are capitalist countries?static111 said:I still do not understand why the entire economy was not put on pause until this thing was under control. Almost 5trillion dollars in interest free loans from the Fed....I mean for that kind of money just take care of the damn people make sure food and water are available and have people stay inside for a few months. The US problems with this can really all be attributed to capitalism at all costs.I think the thing that sets the US apart is more that we are the most individualistic, as opposed to collective, country in the world. That's at least a part of why you see so many people decrying masks as an affront to "choice" and "freedom" and mocking wearers as sheep. The idea of inconveniencing one's self for the greater good is not really embraced here (see fuel consumption behaviors, for example). There's a capitalistic thread to it all; the belief that the invisible hand magically fixes everything. Of course, we're also extremely politicized at this moment and one ones calling out the sheep won't do anything their leader doesn't do...It's kind of a tragedy of the commons. Does whether I wear a mask make a huge impact? Maybe not. But when 35% of the population refuses to literally anywhere (even hospitals in some cases), then it does. While a lot of people probably don't believe the idea that nearly universal mask wearing would make a huge difference, some probably do but aren't going to change their behavior for that reason. This can be seen in the anti-vax movement, as well. If someone has evidence to the contrary let me know, but Americans seem less interested in looking out for the whole than people in a lot of other countries.I'm convinced that if the masks primarily helped the wearer, as opposed to those around the wearer, they'd be much more popular.0 -
Our district has around ten potential plans for September. Teaching is going to be way different this fall.Kat said:I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
At face value I agree that masks would be more popular if they helped the wearer, but that option does exist. N95 masks do precisely that. It's not going to change the minds of those that refuse to wear a mask. This topic has become strictly a left and right one unfortunately.
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Great. There is a very strong argument for opening schools in the fall and it would be nice if people could have this extremely important discussion honestly and openly. I hope this doesn't become the next Team MAGA vs. Team Resistance slapfight. It was absolutely infuriating watching underinformed rageaholics scream at each other about the efficacy of a malaria drug, for instance.Kat said:0 -
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This is why libs lose.pjl44 said:Seriously, fuck Trump and fuck the Lincoln Project09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I received this link from a health care professional who really keeps up on things. Some excellent thoughts about what makes a good mask:
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This is why libs lose.pjl44 said:Seriously, fuck Trump and fuck the Lincoln Projecthippiemom = goodness0 -
I text my friend the trump tweet and his response was “well I guess we know it won’t be safe, he hasn’t be right about anything with this virus”pjl44 said:
Great. There is a very strong argument for opening schools in the fall and it would be nice if people could have this extremely important discussion honestly and openly. I hope this doesn't become the next Team MAGA vs. Team Resistance slapfight. It was absolutely infuriating watching underinformed rageaholics scream at each other about the efficacy of a malaria drug, for instance.Kat said:
and then I saw the Lincoln project. And they aren’t wrong.hippiemom = goodness0
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