Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

The voting doesn't even matter.  The electoral votes don't even matter. 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/6/3/21257133/trump-2020-election-meltdown-lawrence-douglas?fbclid=IwAR0BDVPuYStzfK-xyh2IblKC_h8iTrKdhHu99FTZl3gX8dXE8pZQN1iDxms

If people can go out to protest they can stand in line to vote.   I’m saying this as someone that has been out at the peaceful  protests off and on in the last days.   When people start throwing shit and outside agitators start trying to get people to antagonize the cops Or set shit on fire  that’s when I bow out.  If we are feeling this strongly to risk our health and gather in large groups in support of Black Lives we can absolutely show up to the polls especially in states with early voting.  If they try to vilify and cast doubt on absentee ballots people have to be willing to take the risk to go to a polling place and cast a vote that will be less easy to challenge.  Some things are important enough to go out even with the threat of corona.  If you can go to get groceries, pickup take out food, you can go to the damn poll and help those that can’t get there.

What about those of us that didn't go out there and protest due to COVID?  Did your decision to go out there speak for me?  And now I have to go vote in person because you were willing to protest?  Am I missing your point?

OnWis97 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

The voting doesn't even matter.  The electoral votes don't even matter. 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/6/3/21257133/trump-2020-election-meltdown-lawrence-douglas?fbclid=IwAR0BDVPuYStzfK-xyh2IblKC_h8iTrKdhHu99FTZl3gX8dXE8pZQN1iDxms

If people can go out to protest they can stand in line to vote.   I’m saying this as someone that has been out at the peaceful  protests off and on in the last days.   When people start throwing shit and outside agitators start trying to get people to antagonize the cops Or set shit on fire  that’s when I bow out.  If we are feeling this strongly to risk our health and gather in large groups in support of Black Lives we can absolutely show up to the polls especially in states with early voting.  If they try to vilify and cast doubt on absentee ballots people have to be willing to take the risk to go to a polling place and cast a vote that will be less easy to challenge.  Some things are important enough to go out even with the threat of corona.  If you can go to get groceries, pickup take out food, you can go to the damn poll and help those that can’t get there.

You may have quoted the wrong story...this one suggests that a victory for Biden is likely to result in a constitutional crises, as Trump will almost certainly refuse to leave.  We could go into inauguration with two, or even three, people laying claim to the presidency.  High voter turnout is not that important (except that it would hopefully help widen Biden's margin, possibly reducing the GOP's desire to back a Trump coup).

He's whining about "voter fraud" because he intends to stay, win or lose.

Lawrence Douglas

Here’s the thing: That’s not the scenario I’m worried about. If Trump loses decisively, I think his opportunities for creating mayhem will be dramatically curtailed. 

What worries me is that I don’t see him losing in that fashion. 

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

The voting doesn't even matter.  The electoral votes don't even matter. 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/6/3/21257133/trump-2020-election-meltdown-lawrence-douglas?fbclid=IwAR0BDVPuYStzfK-xyh2IblKC_h8iTrKdhHu99FTZl3gX8dXE8pZQN1iDxms

If people can go out to protest they can stand in line to vote.   I’m saying this as someone that has been out at the peaceful  protests off and on in the last days.   When people start throwing shit and outside agitators start trying to get people to antagonize the cops Or set shit on fire  that’s when I bow out.  If we are feeling this strongly to risk our health and gather in large groups in support of Black Lives we can absolutely show up to the polls especially in states with early voting.  If they try to vilify and cast doubt on absentee ballots people have to be willing to take the risk to go to a polling place and cast a vote that will be less easy to challenge.  Some things are important enough to go out even with the threat of corona.  If you can go to get groceries, pickup take out food, you can go to the damn poll and help those that can’t get there.

You may have quoted the wrong story...this one suggests that a victory for Biden is likely to result in a constitutional crises, as Trump will almost certainly refuse to leave.  We could go into inauguration with two, or even three, people laying claim to the presidency.  High voter turnout is not that important (except that it would hopefully help widen Biden's margin, possibly reducing the GOP's desire to back a Trump coup).

He's whining about "voter fraud" because he intends to stay, win or lose.

The article states that in a close election trump is more likely to accept results especially if mail in ballots are in favor of a Biden victory. That’s how I read it anyway.  Further on he says that if there is a clear winner Trump likely won’t have the power to make fraudulent claims and will be easier to manage.  Sooooo basically my feeling is if you really don’t want him and you have been going to grocery stores you can show up in person at the polls. 

These are not normal times in light of covid-19. My state sent a letter saying I could request a mail in ballot for our state primary because of the social distancing required and a lack of volunteer polling place workers resulting in only 4 out of 24 polling places in my city being open. I could still vote in person or return the enclosed form confirming my name and legal address and signing it under threat of perjury under the law with the potential consequences identified. I received the ballot in the mail a week later, filled it out, signed it under threat of perjury, placed it in an envelope and in the mailing envelope. I could mail it or drop it off at the board of elections or a polling station. What could be easier?

In times like these, why should anyone stand in lines for potentially hours when you know repubs will make the lines move fast in repub districts and at a glacial pace in dem districts/precincts? It’s not like that’s never happened before.

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

So Obama can be the VP?  The last I read is that no law exists addressing this situation either way.  In fact, which I could be wrong, then Biden could resign and there you go..please correct me if I’m wrong because I wouldn’t bet money that I’m right...it sounds too easy

I think that's very grey.  The question is whether the amendment to eliminate a third term addressed it as a succession vs elected.  

I think he could serve as Vice-President, but would be passed over in favor of the speaker of the house if succession was needed. I’ve said it before, I like the idea. Hell, drastic times call for drastic measures. Trump must go. All hands on deck! Trump would cry, take it to the Supreme Court or something, and I think they’d rule that Obama can be VP.  And decades from now, it’d be a historic anomaly that he was VP after being POTUS...like Grover Cleveland’s non-consecutive terms or something. 

Hell, with the benefit of hindsight, maybe Obama should have been HILLARY’S running-mate! Looking back, that Hillary ticket needed all the help it get. Who was the guy she picked again? I don’t even remember. Tom Kite maybe? That’s it. Senator Tom Kite. Yeah, he sure moved the needle. 

Easy there buddy.  Tim Kaine lives 10 minutes from me.  He was my mayor, governor and now senator.  He's a helluva nice guy and A+ human.  Kaine wasn't the problem and it's unfortunate that the election probably ended any advancement for him, but he'll be a lifer in the senate.  

Kaine! That’s right. Kaine. Kite’s a golfer. 

I learned earlier today you live in that area, but I totally forgot what state he was from. So I’m not trying to cut down your guy. I’m sure he’s a fine public servant and good man. But in a national election, the ballot could have just as well said “Insert Democratic Politician Here” under the VP slot. Same goes for Pence on the GOP side though. Trump and Hillary are so famous and such big personalities that Kaine and Pence were both boring afterthoughts. Eh, but then again, I guess the VP pick is usually a boring afterthought no matter who the presidential candidate is. 

Exactly.. unchosen by the people, so no charisma or excitement necessary...