Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

Jason P said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

I look forward to the first debate when Biden shits his pants.

"But did you watch the first 90 minutes when his pants went unshat?"
"I think it shows bold confidence that he finished his point."
"He was making a powerful statement about our health care system."

Also, don't let anyone bully you by wagging their finger about when you can or can't post. If you don't want to deal with the verbal abuse that comes with holding a contrary opinion and just want to pop in for a windmill dunk when Biden does something dumb...go for it.

Lol.  It is weird that one is not even allowed to criticize the candidate they will be voting for.  Being over confident in Biden is weakness in my opinion.

Strange comment.  Who is disallowing you? 

Well ackshually no one is disallowing.  More like pj44 said, a lot of finger wagging and self satisfactory downsplaining, and As of today brushing off micro aggressions as something that only a politically uninformed newb millennial would/could be offended by. As if the main point was who would be offended not that that it is a completely moronic statement for an old white guy to say to any person of color.  Which is why apologizing was the right move and I’m glad he did.

I don't speak millennial,  so I don't know what "downsplaining" is.  And I generally think that "micro aggressions" are excuses for white liberals to get upset,  enabling their habitual "virtual signaling".  But if I hurt anyone's feelings by not worrying about Biden's comments,  then I apologize for not falling into line with the twittersphere and those here.

Once I was clueless about micro aggressions and also thought they were excuses.  Then I had a multiracial daughter And learned from my experiences parenting as well as from her mother that it isn’t as simple as white people virtue signaling.  Basically for me it boils down to do I think it is ok for someone that is not black to tell my daughter what is and isn’t black.  A lot of people like to explain away micro aggressions as if they are nothing, because then they can justify they never did anything bad or ‘racist’. When my daughter was afraid to wear her hair down and didn’t tell us for a year because another well meaning white parent made a comment about things sticking in her hair that was a micro aggression that hurt her developing character.  That is one in a long list of learning experiences I have had.  I could go on but I won’t because it pisses me off.

Yeah I’m sure the guy won’t lose votes but it is ludicrous to think there is nothing wrong with saying what he said from the position he was in.

downsplaining=talking down to others as if you are from a privileged higher position and that your knowledge or viewpoints are superior.

You misunderstand me.  White people virtue signaling through micro is what im speaking of.  The Northam situation was a perfect example.  And what im tired of is people on the left going after Biden,  doing the gop dirty work. 
Where is the Intercept on all the Tara Reade stories?  Not one article about her what NPR, Politico,  CNN and others learned through real journalism.   Intercept launched this through lazy,  agenda journalism.  And it was left to the real news to discover she is a lunatic and quite probably a perjuror.   It's infuriating.  

I assume you mean Gov Northam? What happened there?  As far as Tara Reade I personally never took that story seriously from the get go.  I think a problem that is just as big on our side is that as much as we sometimes do the GOP dirty work asking questions and trying to get the best candidates that there are also those that can’t take honest criticisms of our sides candidates or think that such criticism somehow equates with dislike or not supporting t candidate.  I mean do we really want to be like the other side and unfailingly support our team at all costs.  Look what that has gotten them, a group of politicians so bad that many keep going along because they are too proud/stupid to admit that they have elected monsters.

Northam  is the black face picture from when he was in college in the early 80s.  

I agree we should not be support no matter what, but does anyone really think Biden is a racist because of this statement?  The reaction was over the top.  The only criticism, if you can call it that, that made sense to me was from Diddy of all people.  He simply said.. don’t take our vote for granted.  That’s fair and commensurate with the statement.

I don’t think that Biden is racist.  I think the statement was.  We white people get a lot of passes on saying and doing stupid racist things.  The reactions have been all over the place.  From anger to shock to oh well.  Far be it from me to say that anyone went over the top. If his statement affected some people more than others they can feel what they feel.  I still think it was a bad statement.  The fact that he immediately apologized and said as much is proof enough to me that Joe has empathy and way more class than the current Commamder in Chief. Not that I needed that kind of proof.  I just don’t want to be giving our guy a pass on everything just because the bar for trump is so low.   I would go as far as to say if this was a normal time in American politics and Joe made that statement while going against a run of the mill Republican it would have been way more damaging.  Since the alternative is Trump people are much quicker to forgive which is a ok in my book because no one(sane) wants 4 more years of Trump.   

I looked into Northam. First thought was wow Blackface 🤦‍♂️. 1984 was a different time and place. He apologized as well and showed he learned from being ignorant. We are all people and we all grow and learn it’s important to acknowledge that. But again anyone that was and remains truly upset about that is absolutely entitled to feel that way and press the guy to be extra thoughtful to prove his wasn’t a hollow apology.

I agree with Diddy and others that taking the AA vote for granted is stupid.  Taking any vote for granted is stupid especially when going against Trump.  I am not so sure that was learned as well as it should have been after 2016.

pjl44 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

I look forward to the first debate when Biden shits his pants.

"But did you watch the first 90 minutes when his pants went unshat?"
"I think it shows bold confidence that he finished his point."
"He was making a powerful statement about our health care system."

Also, don't let anyone bully you by wagging their finger about when you can or can't post. If you don't want to deal with the verbal abuse that comes with holding a contrary opinion and just want to pop in for a windmill dunk when Biden does something dumb...go for it.

Lol.  It is weird that one is not even allowed to criticize the candidate they will be voting for.  Being over confident in Biden is weakness in my opinion.

Strange comment.  Who is disallowing you? 

Well ackshually no one is disallowing.  More like pj44 said, a lot of finger wagging and self satisfactory downsplaining, and As of today brushing off micro aggressions as something that only a politically uninformed newb millennial would/could be offended by. As if the main point was who would be offended not that that it is a completely moronic statement for an old white guy to say to any person of color.  Which is why apologizing was the right move and I’m glad he did.

I don't speak millennial,  so I don't know what "downsplaining" is.  And I generally think that "micro aggressions" are excuses for white liberals to get upset,  enabling their habitual "virtual signaling".  But if I hurt anyone's feelings by not worrying about Biden's comments,  then I apologize for not falling into line with the twittersphere and those here.

Once I was clueless about micro aggressions and also thought they were excuses.  Then I had a multiracial daughter And learned from my experiences parenting as well as from her mother that it isn’t as simple as white people virtue signaling.  Basically for me it boils down to do I think it is ok for someone that is not black to tell my daughter what is and isn’t black.  A lot of people like to explain away micro aggressions as if they are nothing, because then they can justify they never did anything bad or ‘racist’. When my daughter was afraid to wear her hair down and didn’t tell us for a year because another well meaning white parent made a comment about things sticking in her hair that was a micro aggression that hurt her developing character.  That is one in a long list of learning experiences I have had.  I could go on but I won’t because it pisses me off.

Yeah I’m sure the guy won’t lose votes but it is ludicrous to think there is nothing wrong with saying what he said from the position he was in.

downsplaining=talking down to others as if you are from a privileged higher position and that your knowledge or viewpoints are superior.

You misunderstand me.  White people virtue signaling through micro is what im speaking of.  The Northam situation was a perfect example.  And what im tired of is people on the left going after Biden,  doing the gop dirty work. 
Where is the Intercept on all the Tara Reade stories?  Not one article about her what NPR, Politico,  CNN and others learned through real journalism.   Intercept launched this through lazy,  agenda journalism.  And it was left to the real news to discover she is a lunatic and quite probably a perjuror.   It's infuriating.  

I assume you mean Gov Northam? What happened there?  As far as Tara Reade I personally never took that story seriously from the get go.  I think a problem that is just as big on our side is that as much as we sometimes do the GOP dirty work asking questions and trying to get the best candidates that there are also those that can’t take honest criticisms of our sides candidates or think that such criticism somehow equates with dislike or not supporting t candidate.  I mean do we really want to be like the other side and unfailingly support our team at all costs.  Look what that has gotten them, a group of politicians so bad that many keep going along because they are too proud/stupid to admit that they have elected monsters.

Northam  is the black face picture from when he was in college in the early 80s.  

I agree we should not be support no matter what, but does anyone really think Biden is a racist because of this statement?  The reaction was over the top.  The only criticism, if you can call it that, that made sense to me was from Diddy of all people.  He simply said.. don’t take our vote for granted.  That’s fair and commensurate with the statement.

I don’t think that Biden is racist.  I think the statement was.  We white people get a lot of passes on saying and doing stupid racist things.  The reactions have been all over the place.  From anger to shock to oh well.  Far be it from me to say that anyone went over the top. If his statement affected some people more than others they can feel what they feel.  I still think it was a bad statement.  The fact that he immediately apologized and said as much is proof enough to me that Joe has empathy and way more class than the current Commamder in Chief. Not that I needed that kind of proof.  I just don’t want to be giving our guy a pass on everything just because the bar for trump is so low.   I would go as far as to say if this was a normal time in American politics and Joe made that statement while going against a run of the mill Republican it would have been way more damaging.  Since the alternative is Trump people are much quicker to forgive which is a ok in my book because no one(sane) wants 4 more years of Trump.   

I looked into Northam. First thought was wow Blackface 🤦‍♂️. 1984 was a different time and place. He apologized as well and showed he learned from being ignorant. We are all people and we all grow and learn it’s important to acknowledge that. But again anyone that was and remains truly upset about that is absolutely entitled to feel that way and press the guy to be extra thoughtful to prove his wasn’t a hollow apology.

I agree with Diddy and others that taking the AA vote for granted is stupid.  Taking any vote for granted is stupid especially when going against Trump.  I am not so sure that was learned as well as it should have been after 2016.

The craziest aspect about the Northam situation is he chose to put that picture in a yearbook. It's not like some old classmate dug it out of a shoebox 40 years later. He gets to stay in office which reinforces that most people all along the political spectrum don't really care about racism unless they can use it cynically to attack opponents.

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

I look forward to the first debate when Biden shits his pants.

"But did you watch the first 90 minutes when his pants went unshat?"
"I think it shows bold confidence that he finished his point."
"He was making a powerful statement about our health care system."

Also, don't let anyone bully you by wagging their finger about when you can or can't post. If you don't want to deal with the verbal abuse that comes with holding a contrary opinion and just want to pop in for a windmill dunk when Biden does something dumb...go for it.

Lol.  It is weird that one is not even allowed to criticize the candidate they will be voting for.  Being over confident in Biden is weakness in my opinion.

Strange comment.  Who is disallowing you? 

Well ackshually no one is disallowing.  More like pj44 said, a lot of finger wagging and self satisfactory downsplaining, and As of today brushing off micro aggressions as something that only a politically uninformed newb millennial would/could be offended by. As if the main point was who would be offended not that that it is a completely moronic statement for an old white guy to say to any person of color.  Which is why apologizing was the right move and I’m glad he did.

I don't speak millennial,  so I don't know what "downsplaining" is.  And I generally think that "micro aggressions" are excuses for white liberals to get upset,  enabling their habitual "virtual signaling".  But if I hurt anyone's feelings by not worrying about Biden's comments,  then I apologize for not falling into line with the twittersphere and those here.

Once I was clueless about micro aggressions and also thought they were excuses.  Then I had a multiracial daughter And learned from my experiences parenting as well as from her mother that it isn’t as simple as white people virtue signaling.  Basically for me it boils down to do I think it is ok for someone that is not black to tell my daughter what is and isn’t black.  A lot of people like to explain away micro aggressions as if they are nothing, because then they can justify they never did anything bad or ‘racist’. When my daughter was afraid to wear her hair down and didn’t tell us for a year because another well meaning white parent made a comment about things sticking in her hair that was a micro aggression that hurt her developing character.  That is one in a long list of learning experiences I have had.  I could go on but I won’t because it pisses me off.

Yeah I’m sure the guy won’t lose votes but it is ludicrous to think there is nothing wrong with saying what he said from the position he was in.

downsplaining=talking down to others as if you are from a privileged higher position and that your knowledge or viewpoints are superior.

You misunderstand me.  White people virtue signaling through micro is what im speaking of.  The Northam situation was a perfect example.  And what im tired of is people on the left going after Biden,  doing the gop dirty work. 
Where is the Intercept on all the Tara Reade stories?  Not one article about her what NPR, Politico,  CNN and others learned through real journalism.   Intercept launched this through lazy,  agenda journalism.  And it was left to the real news to discover she is a lunatic and quite probably a perjuror.   It's infuriating.  

I assume you mean Gov Northam? What happened there?  As far as Tara Reade I personally never took that story seriously from the get go.  I think a problem that is just as big on our side is that as much as we sometimes do the GOP dirty work asking questions and trying to get the best candidates that there are also those that can’t take honest criticisms of our sides candidates or think that such criticism somehow equates with dislike or not supporting t candidate.  I mean do we really want to be like the other side and unfailingly support our team at all costs.  Look what that has gotten them, a group of politicians so bad that many keep going along because they are too proud/stupid to admit that they have elected monsters.

Northam  is the black face picture from when he was in college in the early 80s.  

I agree we should not be support no matter what, but does anyone really think Biden is a racist because of this statement?  The reaction was over the top.  The only criticism, if you can call it that, that made sense to me was from Diddy of all people.  He simply said.. don’t take our vote for granted.  That’s fair and commensurate with the statement.

I don’t think that Biden is racist.  I think the statement was.  We white people get a lot of passes on saying and doing stupid racist things.  The reactions have been all over the place.  From anger to shock to oh well.  Far be it from me to say that anyone went over the top. If his statement affected some people more than others they can feel what they feel.  I still think it was a bad statement.  The fact that he immediately apologized and said as much is proof enough to me that Joe has empathy and way more class than the current Commamder in Chief. Not that I needed that kind of proof.  I just don’t want to be giving our guy a pass on everything just because the bar for trump is so low.   I would go as far as to say if this was a normal time in American politics and Joe made that statement while going against a run of the mill Republican it would have been way more damaging.  Since the alternative is Trump people are much quicker to forgive which is a ok in my book because no one(sane) wants 4 more years of Trump.   

I looked into Northam. First thought was wow Blackface 🤦‍♂️. 1984 was a different time and place. He apologized as well and showed he learned from being ignorant. We are all people and we all grow and learn it’s important to acknowledge that. But again anyone that was and remains truly upset about that is absolutely entitled to feel that way and press the guy to be extra thoughtful to prove his wasn’t a hollow apology.

I agree with Diddy and others that taking the AA vote for granted is stupid.  Taking any vote for granted is stupid especially when going against Trump.  I am not so sure that was learned as well as it should have been after 2016.

The craziest aspect about the Northam situation is he chose to put that picture in a yearbook. It's not like some old classmate dug it out of a shoebox 40 years later. He gets to stay in office which reinforces that most people all along the political spectrum don't really care about racism unless they can use it cynically to attack opponents.

You mean it was chosen in the 80s, 15 years before a major motion picture called Soul Man came out, which  was about a kid in black face going to Harvard for the affirmative action scholarship.  I admire your ability to foresee cultural changes 30 or 40 years before anyone else.