Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,184
    dignin said:
    Its okay to admit you have no idea what you're talking about.

    Hope you enjoy your banana split.

    that wasn't very nice
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,063
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    Looks like he has already got in front of it and apologized which is a good move in my opinion.  
    Why would he apologize? I just spent 3 pages reading about how this is Good, Actually. Lol.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,063
    I'm sitting this one out
    I look forward to the first debate when Biden shits his pants.

    "But did you watch the first 90 minutes when his pants went unshat?"
    "I think it shows bold confidence that he finished his point."
    "He was making a powerful statement about our health care system."

    Also, don't let anyone bully you by wagging their finger about when you can or can't post. If you don't want to deal with the verbal abuse that comes with holding a contrary opinion and just want to pop in for a windmill dunk when Biden does something dumb...go for it.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,157
    When is Warren’s seat up?


    2024. If Biden wins and Warren is VP (or any cabinet position) a republican governor would appoint an interim senator in-her seat and the special election would take close to half a year. Since the senate is expected to be very close, one seat could be the difference in Biden being able to move budgetary bills and Supreme Court nominations  thru Congress or getting shut down by the gop. And if the interim senator is popular there is a chance a sitting senator could actually win the seat. Why take that chance. 

    6 months may not sound like a lot, but the midterms are only 22 months after inauguration. Then we have all the breaks they take, summer and the holidays, it’s almost like congress are kiddies in school. Long point long, six months is an eternity in the time from general election to midterms. 

    Plus the democratic base is not warm with warren. South Carolina is a great example of what Biden should be thinking about when he makes his pick. Someone who energizes the base without raising socialist alarms. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,157
    static111 said:
    This is how I feel.  I’m not against joe.  I just think people are way too secure that the decision between any breathing human and trump is a guaranteed victory.  I also think it is ridiculous how defensive some are of Joe. Clearly the guy is human and has flaws.  But winning the election based solely on trump being horrible while campaigning from his bunker doesnt make me feel secure in a dem victory. And before anyone says it, no I don’t think Bernie, Warren, Yang would be doing any better at campaigning during the pandemic. I’m sure they would all make gaffes from time to time as well.  I just can’t wrap my head around how sure some people on the board are of a Biden victory.  Of course that is if there is an election at all which I’m not convinced the current administration will allow.


    I think you are right, it is going to be a very nervous night for democrats on Election Day. Trump could easily win. Biden +6 is not too far from where Hilary was 4 years ago. If covid never happened, trump may have had a 70% chance of reelection.

    Dems are terrible at National politics. Trump will say he built the best economy ever and Biden will have no clue how to counter attack. He’ll blame trump for not being black.

    Because republican economic policy pushes most of the money to the wealthy, the masses live paycheck to paycheck with no margin of error or strong safety net like much of the world has. One bad event, like a pandemic, can swipe many to the bread lines.

    And that’s what happened. I do not hear much from democrats explaining why the trump economy was set up for failure in a crisis. Trump could easily get re-elected 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    I look forward to the first debate when Biden shits his pants.

    "But did you watch the first 90 minutes when his pants went unshat?"
    "I think it shows bold confidence that he finished his point."
    "He was making a powerful statement about our health care system."

    Also, don't let anyone bully you by wagging their finger about when you can or can't post. If you don't want to deal with the verbal abuse that comes with holding a contrary opinion and just want to pop in for a windmill dunk when Biden does something dumb...go for it.
    Stupid comment,  I'm sorry.  He's debated how many times? And all he did was earn votes.  Maybe one day he can show the political courage of Justin Amash and drop out after a week. 

    And he should not have apologized. I would not have.  Coming out and saying... "I was being a wise ass, sorry if you took it the wrong way", is as far as I would go.   
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    I look forward to the first debate when Biden shits his pants.

    "But did you watch the first 90 minutes when his pants went unshat?"
    "I think it shows bold confidence that he finished his point."
    "He was making a powerful statement about our health care system."

    Also, don't let anyone bully you by wagging their finger about when you can or can't post. If you don't want to deal with the verbal abuse that comes with holding a contrary opinion and just want to pop in for a windmill dunk when Biden does something dumb...go for it.
    Lol.  It is weird that one is not even allowed to criticize the candidate they will be voting for.  Being over confident in Biden is weakness in my opinion.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Lol.  It is weird that one is not even allowed to criticize the candidate they will be voting for.  Being over confident in Biden is weakness in my opinion.
    Strange comment.  Who is disallowing you? 

  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Strange comment.  Who is disallowing you? 

    Well ackshually no one is disallowing.  More like pj44 said, a lot of finger wagging and self satisfactory downsplaining, and As of today brushing off micro aggressions as something that only a politically uninformed newb millennial would/could be offended by. As if the main point was who would be offended not that that it is a completely moronic statement for an old white guy to say to any person of color.  Which is why apologizing was the right move and I’m glad he did.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,599
    edited May 2020
    Fucking snowing on Memorial Day Weekend. Must be global warming.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    Fucking snowing on Memorial Day Weekend. Must be global warming.
    If only someone on AMT could tell us what Greta thinks about it.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,868
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    If only someone on AMT could tell us what Greta thinks about it.
    Ha 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    edited May 2020
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Well ackshually no one is disallowing.  More like pj44 said, a lot of finger wagging and self satisfactory downsplaining, and As of today brushing off micro aggressions as something that only a politically uninformed newb millennial would/could be offended by. As if the main point was who would be offended not that that it is a completely moronic statement for an old white guy to say to any person of color.  Which is why apologizing was the right move and I’m glad he did.
    I don't speak millennial,  so I don't know what "downsplaining" is.  And I generally think that "micro aggressions" are excuses for white liberals to get upset,  enabling their habitual "virtual signaling".  But if I hurt anyone's feelings by not worrying about Biden's comments,  then I apologize for not falling into line with the twittersphere and those here.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,063
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    Lol.  It is weird that one is not even allowed to criticize the candidate they will be voting for.  Being over confident in Biden is weakness in my opinion.
    Yeah, I don't find this in and of itself to be a big deal, but it's Biden so you know there will be a bunch more between now and election day. If you're supporting him, you just hold your breath and hope that many aren't too bad. The fear of giving an inch crosses into absurdity. Just shake your head, say "ooph, that was rough" and carry on.
  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    static111 said:
    If only someone on AMT could tell us what Greta thinks about it.
    Brilliant stuff there.  Still laughing thinking about it.   
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,157
    Fucking snowing on Memorial Day Weekend. Must be global warming.
    Not in the US?

  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't speak millennial,  so I don't know what "downsplaining" is.  And I generally think that "micro aggressions" are excuses for white liberals to get upset,  enabling their habitual "virtual signaling".  But if I hurt anyone's feelings by not worrying about Biden's comments,  then I apologize for not falling into line with the twittersphere and those here.
    Once I was clueless about micro aggressions and also thought they were excuses.  Then I had a multiracial daughter And learned from my experiences parenting as well as from her mother that it isn’t as simple as white people virtue signaling.  Basically for me it boils down to do I think it is ok for someone that is not black to tell my daughter what is and isn’t black.  A lot of people like to explain away micro aggressions as if they are nothing, because then they can justify they never did anything bad or ‘racist’. When my daughter was afraid to wear her hair down and didn’t tell us for a year because another well meaning white parent made a comment about things sticking in her hair that was a micro aggression that hurt her developing character.  That is one in a long list of learning experiences I have had.  I could go on but I won’t because it pisses me off.

    Yeah I’m sure the guy won’t lose votes but it is ludicrous to think there is nothing wrong with saying what he said from the position he was in.

    downsplaining=talking down to others as if you are from a privileged higher position and that your knowledge or viewpoints are superior.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Once I was clueless about micro aggressions and also thought they were excuses.  Then I had a multiracial daughter And learned from my experiences parenting as well as from her mother that it isn’t as simple as white people virtue signaling.  Basically for me it boils down to do I think it is ok for someone that is not black to tell my daughter what is and isn’t black.  A lot of people like to explain away micro aggressions as if they are nothing, because then they can justify they never did anything bad or ‘racist’. When my daughter was afraid to wear her hair down and didn’t tell us for a year because another well meaning white parent made a comment about things sticking in her hair that was a micro aggression that hurt her developing character.  That is one in a long list of learning experiences I have had.  I could go on but I won’t because it pisses me off.

    Yeah I’m sure the guy won’t lose votes but it is ludicrous to think there is nothing wrong with saying what he said from the position he was in.

    downsplaining=talking down to others as if you are from a privileged higher position and that your knowledge or viewpoints are superior.
    You misunderstand me.  White people virtue signaling through micro is what im speaking of.  The Northam situation was a perfect example.  And what im tired of is people on the left going after Biden,  doing the gop dirty work. 
    Where is the Intercept on all the Tara Reade stories?  Not one article about her what NPR, Politico,  CNN and others learned through real journalism.   Intercept launched this through lazy,  agenda journalism.  And it was left to the real news to discover she is a lunatic and quite probably a perjuror.   It's infuriating.  
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    You misunderstand me.  White people virtue signaling through micro is what im speaking of.  The Northam situation was a perfect example.  And what im tired of is people on the left going after Biden,  doing the gop dirty work. 
    Where is the Intercept on all the Tara Reade stories?  Not one article about her what NPR, Politico,  CNN and others learned through real journalism.   Intercept launched this through lazy,  agenda journalism.  And it was left to the real news to discover she is a lunatic and quite probably a perjuror.   It's infuriating.  
    I assume you mean Gov Northam? What happened there?  As far as Tara Reade I personally never took that story seriously from the get go.  I think a problem that is just as big on our side is that as much as we sometimes do the GOP dirty work asking questions and trying to get the best candidates that there are also those that can’t take honest criticisms of our sides candidates or think that such criticism somehow equates with dislike or not supporting t candidate.  I mean do we really want to be like the other side and unfailingly support our team at all costs.  Look what that has gotten them, a group of politicians so bad that many keep going along because they are too proud/stupid to admit that they have elected monsters.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,184
    The problem is that the democrats are hunting a bear and Donald Trump is a big fat drunk bear that seems like it should be easy to catch, so they set a bunch of bear traps in logical spots to catch the big dumb drunk bear.  But the big dumb drunk bear can't feel pain and is walking willy-nilly thru all the traps and then goes eats some honey and takes a nap.  Then the democrat hunters forget where they placed the remaining live bear traps that didn't get set off and are stepping on them on their way back to the lodge.

    Granted I just smoked a jay before coming up with that analogy, but it will make sense to me for at least 15 more minutes ...

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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,063
    I'm sitting this one out
    Jason P said:
    The problem is that the democrats are hunting a bear and Donald Trump is a big fat drunk bear that seems like it should be easy to catch, so they set a bunch of bear traps in logical spots to catch the big dumb drunk bear.  But the big dumb drunk bear can't feel pain and is walking willy-nilly thru all the traps and then goes eats some honey and takes a nap.  Then the democrat hunters forget where they placed the remaining live bear traps that didn't get set off and are stepping on them on their way back to the lodge.

    Granted I just smoked a jay before coming up with that analogy, but it will make sense to me for at least 15 more minutes ...


  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,184

    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    Biden
    Jason P said:

    Ditto.  Now having a vodka with sparkling Ice
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    Biden
    And it actually makes sense
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,315
    I'm sitting this one out
    Jason P said:
    The problem is that the democrats are hunting a bear and Donald Trump is a big fat drunk bear that seems like it should be easy to catch, so they set a bunch of bear traps in logical spots to catch the big dumb drunk bear.  But the big dumb drunk bear can't feel pain and is walking willy-nilly thru all the traps and then goes eats some honey and takes a nap.  Then the democrat hunters forget where they placed the remaining live bear traps that didn't get set off and are stepping on them on their way back to the lodge.

    Granted I just smoked a jay before coming up with that analogy, but it will make sense to me for at least 15 more minutes ...

    I smoke to help me sleep after my daily responsibilities have been taken care of. This makes perfect sense, goodnight.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,157
    Jason P said:

    The problem is willy-nilly 

    Granted I just smoked a jay before coming up with that 
    Are you you didnt come up with that after listening to Chuck Schumer?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,063
    I'm sitting this one out
    Jo Jorgensen wins the LP nomination. VP gets selected today.

    https://reason.com/2020/05/23/jo-jorgensen-wins-libertarian-party-presidential-nomination/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
    Biden

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,157
    edited May 2020


    Trump voters dont care so it doesn't matter.


    Right about now.


    http://youtu.be/nmsTwQb1csc
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