Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

JW269453 said:

OnWis97 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

people know who trump is and a significant majority are rejecting him. 

any reasonable person does not want the shit stain on their conscience of having voted for him twice.

Remember one of his key pitches in 16 was "What have you got to lose?"  Now we know.. 100k lives and millions of jobs.  

If Democrats try to lay the totality of the coronavirus pandemic at his feet, voters will see through that

Trump will be playing hardball.  I'm not saying the Biden campaign does it, but a third party should absolutely hammer him on this.  

I also think his blaming the Chinese should be an angle for the Dems.  Trump blames China, but he's the one that started a trade war he can't finish, and he failed to protect us from a virus originating there.  Why should he be given another chance to fail us?  Sure maybe some hard left Blues are uncomfortable with that, but they are not staying home.  

Man, I don't see any of that. I think it will be even clearer as the months go on that this has been a systemic failure.  Every day we're peeling back the onion on how New York fucked up. Trump has done a poor job, but I don't know what that incremental toll really is. There is no way it wasn't going to hit us hard.

Do you think those details would stop Trump from using it in a campaign?  It's a fact that Trump had this issue in his security briefings as early as January, and he downplayed it the entire time, until late March.  Perhaps NY doesn't get a chance to F up if the CEO of the country isn't avoiding the issue.  

If Clinton had won the election, where are you estimating we'd be as a country on cases/deaths today? Currently we are at 1.5 million/93k.

I was actually considering starting a thread on that.  One clear difference would be fewer conspiracy theories. A third of the population believes this entire thing is a conspiracy against Trump.  I still think just as many people would be upset about stay-at-home orders, maybe even more with a Democrat in the White House, but I think you'd have fewer people just flaunting their non-compliance at grocery stores, etc. These things might be a wash.

I think the two biggest differences would be 1) An earlier response and a president concerned with more than how it impacts the re-election and 2) fewer people existing in the image of an ignorant, angry, moron doing things like refusing to wear masks, etc.  What's it mean in numbers?  Hard to say.  Maybe knocks 'em down by 20%?  A third?

Maybe just start an "alternate past" thread where we can go back and forth about things that will never have a proven answer. I'll start with this as an example. Who won the Alternate Past World Series in 1994? My money is on the Expos because Moises Alou would have worn batting gloves in his alternate past.

PJPOWER said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

"If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."

I'm sure black voters will love that one. 

What a joke. Lol. 

Yeah, it’s official, he’s an idiot.  What was he thinking?  This is going to haunt him the rest of his political career!

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

I think what we learned in the primaries is that  millennial white liberals are FAR more sensitive than average people and minorities.  His resiliency shows that.  And look at Northams approval rate with minorities in Virginia for further proof.  Im sure black people all appreciate your concern though. 

You got us all wrong. Not concerned for black people. Concerned for Biden botching simple interviews when he's polling just fine when not saying anything at all.