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  • Spunkie
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    Health Canada has an approved CoVid antibody test now. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,317
    JW269453 said:
    Thanks numb nuts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/12/coronavirus-update-us/#link-TJY7DDP3LBAKNNCS44MYNV2FMY
     
    Accidental poisonings rose after Trump suggested injecting disinfectant could thwart coronavirus

    Accidental poisonings in the country from disinfectants and bleach increased in April, the month when President Trump mused that people might be able to fight the novel coronavirus by injecting themselves with disinfectant, new data show.

    The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported a 121 percent increase in poisonings from disinfectants and a 77 percent spike in bleach poisonings in April, compared with the same month last year. The April 2020 data included the seven days that followed Trump’s false and dangerous comment about disinfectant, which he made April 23.

    The percentage increase in poisonings in the first 10 days of May was lower. Reports of accidental poisonings from disinfectants increased 69 percent and reports of poisonings from bleach increased 51 percent over the same period in 2019.

    The AAPCC did not draw conclusions about what may have caused the significant increase in poisonings in April. Time magazine conducted the first analysis of the statistics as they relate to Trump.

    Additionally, poisonings from disinfectant and bleach were already increasing before the president’s remark. Disinfectant poisonings increased by 5 percent in January, 17 percent in February and 94 percent in March, compared with the same months last year. The rise in poisonings hit 121 percent in April and 69 percent in May.

    Compared with the same months last year, bleach poisonings increased by 7 percent in January, 1 percent in February and 59 percent in March before reaching 77 percent in April and 51 percent in May.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that although it could not prove a causal relationship between increased poisonings and more frequent cleaning because of the coronavirus, the periods overlapped.


    What trump verbally pondered was absolutely moronic, but these numbers are basic common sense. An increase in household supply and usage equals more accidents. In 20 years we'll be hearing stories of how thousands of people injected themselves with bleach because trump told them to do it, ever heard the one about Richard Gere and the gerbil or Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped? If this had been attempted by anyone I am sure someone would have posted it here already.
    I know what Richard Gere did but what did Rod Stewart do again?  Kidding of course.

    Good retort but if people actually injected or drank disinfectant then I lean towards Trumps fault.
    My goodness, what parts of the dark web are you folks visiting?
    You don't know the Richard Gere and Rod Stewart rumors?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    JW269453 said:
    Thanks numb nuts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/12/coronavirus-update-us/#link-TJY7DDP3LBAKNNCS44MYNV2FMY
     
    Accidental poisonings rose after Trump suggested injecting disinfectant could thwart coronavirus

    Accidental poisonings in the country from disinfectants and bleach increased in April, the month when President Trump mused that people might be able to fight the novel coronavirus by injecting themselves with disinfectant, new data show.

    The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported a 121 percent increase in poisonings from disinfectants and a 77 percent spike in bleach poisonings in April, compared with the same month last year. The April 2020 data included the seven days that followed Trump’s false and dangerous comment about disinfectant, which he made April 23.

    The percentage increase in poisonings in the first 10 days of May was lower. Reports of accidental poisonings from disinfectants increased 69 percent and reports of poisonings from bleach increased 51 percent over the same period in 2019.

    The AAPCC did not draw conclusions about what may have caused the significant increase in poisonings in April. Time magazine conducted the first analysis of the statistics as they relate to Trump.

    Additionally, poisonings from disinfectant and bleach were already increasing before the president’s remark. Disinfectant poisonings increased by 5 percent in January, 17 percent in February and 94 percent in March, compared with the same months last year. The rise in poisonings hit 121 percent in April and 69 percent in May.

    Compared with the same months last year, bleach poisonings increased by 7 percent in January, 1 percent in February and 59 percent in March before reaching 77 percent in April and 51 percent in May.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that although it could not prove a causal relationship between increased poisonings and more frequent cleaning because of the coronavirus, the periods overlapped.


    What trump verbally pondered was absolutely moronic, but these numbers are basic common sense. An increase in household supply and usage equals more accidents. In 20 years we'll be hearing stories of how thousands of people injected themselves with bleach because trump told them to do it, ever heard the one about Richard Gere and the gerbil or Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped? If this had been attempted by anyone I am sure someone would have posted it here already.
    I know what Richard Gere did but what did Rod Stewart do again?  Kidding of course.

    Good retort but if people actually injected or drank disinfectant then I lean towards Trumps fault.
    My goodness, what parts of the dark web are you folks visiting?
    You don't know the Richard Gere and Rod Stewart rumors?

    I don't.  What's up?  Are they dating?
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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    JW269453 said:
    Thanks numb nuts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/12/coronavirus-update-us/#link-TJY7DDP3LBAKNNCS44MYNV2FMY
     
    Accidental poisonings rose after Trump suggested injecting disinfectant could thwart coronavirus

    Accidental poisonings in the country from disinfectants and bleach increased in April, the month when President Trump mused that people might be able to fight the novel coronavirus by injecting themselves with disinfectant, new data show.

    The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported a 121 percent increase in poisonings from disinfectants and a 77 percent spike in bleach poisonings in April, compared with the same month last year. The April 2020 data included the seven days that followed Trump’s false and dangerous comment about disinfectant, which he made April 23.

    The percentage increase in poisonings in the first 10 days of May was lower. Reports of accidental poisonings from disinfectants increased 69 percent and reports of poisonings from bleach increased 51 percent over the same period in 2019.

    The AAPCC did not draw conclusions about what may have caused the significant increase in poisonings in April. Time magazine conducted the first analysis of the statistics as they relate to Trump.

    Additionally, poisonings from disinfectant and bleach were already increasing before the president’s remark. Disinfectant poisonings increased by 5 percent in January, 17 percent in February and 94 percent in March, compared with the same months last year. The rise in poisonings hit 121 percent in April and 69 percent in May.

    Compared with the same months last year, bleach poisonings increased by 7 percent in January, 1 percent in February and 59 percent in March before reaching 77 percent in April and 51 percent in May.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that although it could not prove a causal relationship between increased poisonings and more frequent cleaning because of the coronavirus, the periods overlapped.


    What trump verbally pondered was absolutely moronic, but these numbers are basic common sense. An increase in household supply and usage equals more accidents. In 20 years we'll be hearing stories of how thousands of people injected themselves with bleach because trump told them to do it, ever heard the one about Richard Gere and the gerbil or Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped? If this had been attempted by anyone I am sure someone would have posted it here already.
    I know what Richard Gere did but what did Rod Stewart do again?  Kidding of course.

    Good retort but if people actually injected or drank disinfectant then I lean towards Trumps fault.
    My goodness, what parts of the dark web are you folks visiting?
    You don't know the Richard Gere and Rod Stewart rumors?
    I assumed those were pretty common urban legends, maybe just an 80's & 90's kid thing.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,876
    JW269453 said:
    Thanks numb nuts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/12/coronavirus-update-us/#link-TJY7DDP3LBAKNNCS44MYNV2FMY
     
    Accidental poisonings rose after Trump suggested injecting disinfectant could thwart coronavirus

    Accidental poisonings in the country from disinfectants and bleach increased in April, the month when President Trump mused that people might be able to fight the novel coronavirus by injecting themselves with disinfectant, new data show.

    The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported a 121 percent increase in poisonings from disinfectants and a 77 percent spike in bleach poisonings in April, compared with the same month last year. The April 2020 data included the seven days that followed Trump’s false and dangerous comment about disinfectant, which he made April 23.

    The percentage increase in poisonings in the first 10 days of May was lower. Reports of accidental poisonings from disinfectants increased 69 percent and reports of poisonings from bleach increased 51 percent over the same period in 2019.

    The AAPCC did not draw conclusions about what may have caused the significant increase in poisonings in April. Time magazine conducted the first analysis of the statistics as they relate to Trump.

    Additionally, poisonings from disinfectant and bleach were already increasing before the president’s remark. Disinfectant poisonings increased by 5 percent in January, 17 percent in February and 94 percent in March, compared with the same months last year. The rise in poisonings hit 121 percent in April and 69 percent in May.

    Compared with the same months last year, bleach poisonings increased by 7 percent in January, 1 percent in February and 59 percent in March before reaching 77 percent in April and 51 percent in May.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that although it could not prove a causal relationship between increased poisonings and more frequent cleaning because of the coronavirus, the periods overlapped.


    What trump verbally pondered was absolutely moronic, but these numbers are basic common sense. An increase in household supply and usage equals more accidents. In 20 years we'll be hearing stories of how thousands of people injected themselves with bleach because trump told them to do it, ever heard the one about Richard Gere and the gerbil or Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped? If this had been attempted by anyone I am sure someone would have posted it here already.
    I know what Richard Gere did but what did Rod Stewart do again?  Kidding of course.

    Good retort but if people actually injected or drank disinfectant then I lean towards Trumps fault.
    My goodness, what parts of the dark web are you folks visiting?
    You don't know the Richard Gere and Rod Stewart rumors?
    Haha.. it amazes me how many people of our generation grew up hearing the same things, even without an internet.  Remember Mikey's stomach exploded after drinking coke and eating Pop Rocks?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    mrussel1 said:
    JW269453 said:
    Thanks numb nuts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/12/coronavirus-update-us/#link-TJY7DDP3LBAKNNCS44MYNV2FMY
     
    Accidental poisonings rose after Trump suggested injecting disinfectant could thwart coronavirus

    Accidental poisonings in the country from disinfectants and bleach increased in April, the month when President Trump mused that people might be able to fight the novel coronavirus by injecting themselves with disinfectant, new data show.

    The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported a 121 percent increase in poisonings from disinfectants and a 77 percent spike in bleach poisonings in April, compared with the same month last year. The April 2020 data included the seven days that followed Trump’s false and dangerous comment about disinfectant, which he made April 23.

    The percentage increase in poisonings in the first 10 days of May was lower. Reports of accidental poisonings from disinfectants increased 69 percent and reports of poisonings from bleach increased 51 percent over the same period in 2019.

    The AAPCC did not draw conclusions about what may have caused the significant increase in poisonings in April. Time magazine conducted the first analysis of the statistics as they relate to Trump.

    Additionally, poisonings from disinfectant and bleach were already increasing before the president’s remark. Disinfectant poisonings increased by 5 percent in January, 17 percent in February and 94 percent in March, compared with the same months last year. The rise in poisonings hit 121 percent in April and 69 percent in May.

    Compared with the same months last year, bleach poisonings increased by 7 percent in January, 1 percent in February and 59 percent in March before reaching 77 percent in April and 51 percent in May.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that although it could not prove a causal relationship between increased poisonings and more frequent cleaning because of the coronavirus, the periods overlapped.


    What trump verbally pondered was absolutely moronic, but these numbers are basic common sense. An increase in household supply and usage equals more accidents. In 20 years we'll be hearing stories of how thousands of people injected themselves with bleach because trump told them to do it, ever heard the one about Richard Gere and the gerbil or Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped? If this had been attempted by anyone I am sure someone would have posted it here already.
    I know what Richard Gere did but what did Rod Stewart do again?  Kidding of course.

    Good retort but if people actually injected or drank disinfectant then I lean towards Trumps fault.
    My goodness, what parts of the dark web are you folks visiting?
    You don't know the Richard Gere and Rod Stewart rumors?
    Haha.. it amazes me how many people of our generation grew up hearing the same things, even without an internet.  Remember Mikey's stomach exploded after drinking coke and eating Pop Rocks?
    LMAO
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,510
    edited May 2020
    Edit: Wrong thread!
    Post edited by pjl44 on
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,317
    mrussel1 said:
    JW269453 said:
    Thanks numb nuts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/12/coronavirus-update-us/#link-TJY7DDP3LBAKNNCS44MYNV2FMY
     
    Accidental poisonings rose after Trump suggested injecting disinfectant could thwart coronavirus

    Accidental poisonings in the country from disinfectants and bleach increased in April, the month when President Trump mused that people might be able to fight the novel coronavirus by injecting themselves with disinfectant, new data show.

    The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported a 121 percent increase in poisonings from disinfectants and a 77 percent spike in bleach poisonings in April, compared with the same month last year. The April 2020 data included the seven days that followed Trump’s false and dangerous comment about disinfectant, which he made April 23.

    The percentage increase in poisonings in the first 10 days of May was lower. Reports of accidental poisonings from disinfectants increased 69 percent and reports of poisonings from bleach increased 51 percent over the same period in 2019.

    The AAPCC did not draw conclusions about what may have caused the significant increase in poisonings in April. Time magazine conducted the first analysis of the statistics as they relate to Trump.

    Additionally, poisonings from disinfectant and bleach were already increasing before the president’s remark. Disinfectant poisonings increased by 5 percent in January, 17 percent in February and 94 percent in March, compared with the same months last year. The rise in poisonings hit 121 percent in April and 69 percent in May.

    Compared with the same months last year, bleach poisonings increased by 7 percent in January, 1 percent in February and 59 percent in March before reaching 77 percent in April and 51 percent in May.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that although it could not prove a causal relationship between increased poisonings and more frequent cleaning because of the coronavirus, the periods overlapped.


    What trump verbally pondered was absolutely moronic, but these numbers are basic common sense. An increase in household supply and usage equals more accidents. In 20 years we'll be hearing stories of how thousands of people injected themselves with bleach because trump told them to do it, ever heard the one about Richard Gere and the gerbil or Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped? If this had been attempted by anyone I am sure someone would have posted it here already.
    I know what Richard Gere did but what did Rod Stewart do again?  Kidding of course.

    Good retort but if people actually injected or drank disinfectant then I lean towards Trumps fault.
    My goodness, what parts of the dark web are you folks visiting?
    You don't know the Richard Gere and Rod Stewart rumors?
    Haha.. it amazes me how many people of our generation grew up hearing the same things, even without an internet.  Remember Mikey's stomach exploded after drinking coke and eating Pop Rocks?
    2 of my other favorites were Vince Neil and Axl Rose both dying at their bands Peaks.  Rose was very funny because it even made it as a joke in Hit Parader magazine.
  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 765
    what is wrong with being antifascist?
    Trumpists don't realize how much of a self-own it is to call out "antifa" (literally anti-fascism).
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,510
    Mike D88 said:
    what is wrong with being antifascist?
    Trumpists don't realize how much of a self-own it is to call out "antifa" (literally anti-fascism).
    Antifa:anti-fascism::Patriot Act:patriotism 
  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 765
    pjl44 said:
    Mike D88 said:
    what is wrong with being antifascist?
    Trumpists don't realize how much of a self-own it is to call out "antifa" (literally anti-fascism).
    Antifa:anti-fascism::Patriot Act:patriotism 
    I know you think you're being cute, but it's the definition of the word.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,510
    Mike D88 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Mike D88 said:
    what is wrong with being antifascist?
    Trumpists don't realize how much of a self-own it is to call out "antifa" (literally anti-fascism).
    Antifa:anti-fascism::Patriot Act:patriotism 
    I know you think you're being cute, but it's the definition of the word.
    Oh, I know. It's like Patriot Prayer. They're patriots who pray. Very wholesome. Right in the name.
  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    I am sorry for posting something from everyone's favorite news source, but I feel messages like this don't get much attention with all of the pissing matches generally stealing the show. David Wooderson gets it.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    edited May 2020
    JW269453 said:
    I am sorry for posting something from everyone's favorite news source, but I feel messages like this don't get much attention with all of the pissing matches generally stealing the show. David Wooderson gets it.
    i applaud MM for trying to keep as close to the middle on this as possible, and quite frankly, i'm shocked that fox news has a left leaning celebrity on their show, because jumping into one side doesn't really do a whole lot. but i just don't see this as a "both sides" issue. there are "both sides" issues, to be fair, but this doesn't seem like one of them to me. my perception from what i've seen is this:

    -republicans vilifying democrats for wanting to keep people safe
    -republicans vilifying democrats for believing public health is priority number 1 and the economy is priority number 2
    -republicans actually advocating for sacrificing the weak in order to open back up (that was one of the more disgusting things i've seen from either side, on any issue, in recent memory)
    -republicans denying science, downplaying the severity, all because they have this strangely held belief that democrats actually want to destroy america (gee, where did they get that idea?). 

    people want to go back to work because that fucking orange buffoon is doing next to nothing to help anyone. he blames everyone when things go to shit, and tries to take credit for things when they go right, even when they don't go right and he just claims they are. it is incredible to me that people believe him. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    Thanks for the words, everyone. I’m just not a stressed or anxious guy, so this just isn’t normal for me. Hope it gets better.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,990
    pjl44 said:
    Mike D88 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Mike D88 said:
    what is wrong with being antifascist?
    Trumpists don't realize how much of a self-own it is to call out "antifa" (literally anti-fascism).
    Antifa:anti-fascism::Patriot Act:patriotism 
    I know you think you're being cute, but it's the definition of the word.
    Oh, I know. It's like Patriot Prayer. They're patriots who pray. Very wholesome. Right in the name.
    what is wrong with being anti-fascist?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    pjl44 said:
    Mike D88 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Mike D88 said:
    what is wrong with being antifascist?
    Trumpists don't realize how much of a self-own it is to call out "antifa" (literally anti-fascism).
    Antifa:anti-fascism::Patriot Act:patriotism 
    I know you think you're being cute, but it's the definition of the word.
    Oh, I know. It's like Patriot Prayer. They're patriots who pray. Very wholesome. Right in the name.
    what is wrong with being anti-fascist?

    And why would anyone NOT be anti-fascist? 

    Fascism:  noun:  (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.


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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,510
    pjl44 said:
    Mike D88 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Mike D88 said:
    what is wrong with being antifascist?
    Trumpists don't realize how much of a self-own it is to call out "antifa" (literally anti-fascism).
    Antifa:anti-fascism::Patriot Act:patriotism 
    I know you think you're being cute, but it's the definition of the word.
    Oh, I know. It's like Patriot Prayer. They're patriots who pray. Very wholesome. Right in the name.
    what is wrong with being anti-fascist?
    What is wrong is I don't trust the fascist-detection skills of a bunch of rage-fueled vigilantes and neither should anyone with an ounce of common sense.

    Since we are wildly off topic, my final post on the matter is a great post from Ken White (aka Popehat) that is required reading for anyone seduced by the visceral rush of antifa or "nazi-punching." I clipped one of the more succinct points as a quick taste.

    https://www.popehat.com/2017/01/21/on-punching-nazis/


  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    JW269453 said:
    I am sorry for posting something from everyone's favorite news source, but I feel messages like this don't get much attention with all of the pissing matches generally stealing the show. David Wooderson gets it.
    i applaud MM for trying to keep as close to the middle on this as possible, and quite frankly, i'm shocked that fox news has a left leaning celebrity on their show, because jumping into one side doesn't really do a whole lot. but i just don't see this as a "both sides" issue. there are "both sides" issues, to be fair, but this doesn't seem like one of them to me. my perception from what i've seen is this:

    -republicans vilifying democrats for wanting to keep people safe
    -republicans vilifying democrats for believing public health is priority number 1 and the economy is priority number 2
    -republicans actually advocating for sacrificing the weak in order to open back up (that was one of the more disgusting things i've seen from either side, on any issue, in recent memory)
    -republicans denying science, downplaying the severity, all because they have this strangely held belief that democrats actually want to destroy america (gee, where did they get that idea?). 

    people want to go back to work because that fucking orange buffoon is doing next to nothing to help anyone. he blames everyone when things go to shit, and tries to take credit for things when they go right, even when they don't go right and he just claims they are. it is incredible to me that people believe him. 
    I guess we just live in a world where every single human decision has to be politicized, and I'm in the minority that doesn't like it.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,605
    JW269453 said:

    I am sorry for posting something from everyone's favorite news source, but I feel messages like this don't get much attention with all of the pissing matches generally stealing the show. David Wooderson gets it.
    i applaud MM for trying to keep as close to the middle on this as possible, and quite frankly, i'm shocked that fox news has a left leaning celebrity on their show, because jumping into one side doesn't really do a whole lot. but i just don't see this as a "both sides" issue. there are "both sides" issues, to be fair, but this doesn't seem like one of them to me. my perception from what i've seen is this:

    -republicans vilifying democrats for wanting to keep people safe
    -republicans vilifying democrats for believing public health is priority number 1 and the economy is priority number 2
    -republicans actually advocating for sacrificing the weak in order to open back up (that was one of the more disgusting things i've seen from either side, on any issue, in recent memory)
    -republicans denying science, downplaying the severity, all because they have this strangely held belief that democrats actually want to destroy america (gee, where did they get that idea?). 

    people want to go back to work because that fucking orange buffoon is doing next to nothing to help anyone. he blames everyone when things go to shit, and tries to take credit for things when they go right, even when they don't go right and he just claims they are. it is incredible to me that people believe him. 
    I think he's a right-leaning celebrity, albeit not a complete nut-bar like James Woods or someone.  Of course, that in itself makes it a shocking move from Fox News.  He doesn't even seem to want to own the libs.  In any case, I generally appreciate his attempt to not vilify either side (though these sides do exist) because the moment he does, he's discredited by one side.

    I do think in many ways, this is a challenging issue with views I can respect (related to some of the what/when/how to move ahead, etc.).  But, I can't "both sides" all of this.  40% of the country doesn't believe any expert, any scientist, or anyone else with credibility because they believe Trump, Hannity, et al.  Just like they believe climate change can't be real because it was colder than average yesterday, they believe this whole thing is a hoax because nobody in their circle of family/friends has died. Oh, and they care about the feelings of a snowflake more than the actual good of the country.

    It's funny, though...while I don't agree with some of the rosier things McConaghay (sp??) said, I do agree that "Democrats don't want the economy to suffer and Republicans don't want people to die."  Want and willingness are two different things...
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