Donald Trump

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Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

OK, well I don't think we'll get anywhere if you ignore not only what he didn't do, but also what he did do. February would not have been the time to start worrying about the national stockpile. That is something that should have been maintained for the past several years. Trump likes to say he inherited a broken process (yet ignored the tabletop pandemic response that occurred during transition and shelved the playbook), and inherited a depleted stockpile. Well, if it was depleted when he got it in 2016, what in the holy hell was he doing for the last 3+ years? If I buy a business with inadequate stock or poor processes, I don't get to blame it on the previous owner of the business 3 years later. Any to suggest that any of the governors had the same level of information and intel as the president (who should be but doesn't read his daily briefings) is silly. Trump is supposed to be a leader, but offers no leadership. He told the governors it was up to them to shut things down (so they would take the blame for the hit to the economy) but is now telling them he has the absolute authority to open things up (so that he gets the credit). That doesn't fly. 

I agree with this last part, he shouldn’t be arguing with governors about that. I think it makes him look childish and foolish. I said a few times his twitter and speeches are his weakest part. 
Should Trump have replenished the stockpile? Yeah probably. But I doubt anyone else would have either. Something we’ve been short on for 10+ years I doubt was on anyone’s radar.

Dr Fauci said he followed his timeline recommendations. So either you think he was lying (as much of the media is accusing him of today, but they loved him last week) or he’s telling the truth. I think he’s telling the truth,  no one was raising alarms in February. 

You still believing in him ok , how many died today? 

It only took you three yrs 

I don’t always believe Trump. I believe Dr Fauci, yes. Do you have a reason why I shouldn’t trust him? Everyone has been praising him for weeks. Why the sudden change? Because he didn’t bash Trump yesterday we shouldn’t trust him anymore?

jerparker20 said:

Start watching your bank accounts for your “Trump Bucks” deposit. Mine showed up yesterday in the bank account. 

Thanks taxpayers of America.

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

jerparker20 said:

Start watching your bank accounts for your “Trump Bucks” deposit. Mine showed up yesterday in the bank account. 

Thanks taxpayers of America.

Mine was direct,  so I don't have to see his name. 

Wait...you subscribe to pornhub?! You pay money for porn?? 

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

jerparker20 said:

Start watching your bank accounts for your “Trump Bucks” deposit. Mine showed up yesterday in the bank account. 

Thanks taxpayers of America.

Mine was direct,  so I don't have to see his name. 

Wait...you subscribe to pornhub?! You pay money for porn?? 

Well it doesn't grow on trees.  Next you're gonna tell me I can get a Tijuana whore for less than$500. Fat chance. 

I think there’s billions of hours of free porn out there. It’s pretty funny to see someone pay for it. 

And yeah, how is $1,200 supposed to stimulate the economy when all that gets you is two whores at the Hong Kong Gentleman’s Club? You would think Trump of all people would know that.