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When Justin Amash was speaking out against the CARES Act, this was one of his two pillars of a cleaner, more efficient bill. Basically:brianlux said:Here's an interesting article that proposes that putting money into widespread testing would do more to slow the spread of the virus AND help the economy much more than doling out the $1200 which only help people get by for maybe a week or so:
- Allocate funding to rapidly increase testing and tracing programs.
- Cut a monthly check of $2-3k to every American for 3 months to start. Evaluate for an extension after 3 months.
No unrelated funding, no convoluted programs. Just put cash in people's pockets and fund what will actually help us get our arms around the problem.0 -
what dreams said:
I was just having this exact thought while driving to my weekly store run and listening to NPR story on the checks coming out.brianlux said:Here's an interesting article that proposes that putting money into widespread testing would do more to slow the spread of the virus AND help the economy much more than doling out the $1200 which only help people get by for maybe a week or so:
I had another mini-meltdown while out and still not able to find dishwasher powder. Did people eat on paper plates before this pandemic? How can we, a month out, still not have dishwasher powder in the cleaning aisles? I'm going to be forced to buy the $75 case of it on Amazon. My mom says "WE can wash the dishes by hand." I'm like, "Mom, there is no WE when it comes to housework around here." I know I'm supposed to be grateful that my biggest problem is no Cascade. I'm really just over all of it. The Cascade is emblematic of my virus fatigue.
I know this may sound lame, but maybe try to take a different mental approach to hand washing dishes. I used to hate it when my mom made me wash the dishes (by hand, we had no dishwasher) but I learned to enjoy the process. The warm water feels good on the hands, specially in cooler weather. Put on some calming music, feel the warm water on your hands. Enjoy the purposeful process. The other thing you might consider is to do them after each meal which is what I do when my wife is gone. By myself, it's just a few dishes and a little soap on a sponges, a quick wash and rinse in hot water and they're done! Then you can go back to doing something else.
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pjl44 said:
When Justin Amash was speaking out against the CARES Act, this was one of his two pillars of a cleaner, more efficient bill. Basically:brianlux said:Here's an interesting article that proposes that putting money into widespread testing would do more to slow the spread of the virus AND help the economy much more than doling out the $1200 which only help people get by for maybe a week or so:
- Allocate funding to rapidly increase testing and tracing programs.
- Cut a monthly check of $2-3k to every American for 3 months to start. Evaluate for an extension after 3 months.
No unrelated funding, no convoluted programs. Just put cash in people's pockets and fund what will actually help us get our arms around the problem.
Even at the lower 2K per month that comes out close to $420 billion per month. Where is that money going to come from? The only way I can see that they'd be able to give every American $2-$3k every month would be by printing funny money or getting billionaires and corporations to cough up the bucks. I just don't see it happening. I think the money needs to go into widespread testing then isolating all positive cases and letting those tested negative to go back to work.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Another thing that struck me while out driving -- people wearing masks while they are outside taking a walk, by themselves, on a path/sidewalk with no other or very small numbers of pedestrians or bikers. I know this was part of a discussion earlier, about how safe or selfish it is to walk or exercise.
My thought was -- what a complete waste of a mask. Here we are with a supposed shortage of masks for people who critically need them, and I'm passing people outside in a suburban neighborhood on a tree lined path with nobody else within dozens of yards of them wearing a mask. Is there virus lingering on that red bud tree branch oozing down from the pollen into your nose?
I feel like the "abundance of caution" has become absurd in some cases. People are losing their common sense. (assuming they had it before a month ago)0 -
Once this is past us and the final numbers can be assessed only then will be able to make more accurate comparisons. I am in no way saying we handled this the best we could have, but I am also someone who thinks it is ridiculous that in this day and age we didn’t already have a mandatory course of action set in stone long ago. Hopefully everyone learns this time because nobody seems to be focused on the careless actions that created this whole mess in the first place. It’s just a matter of time before it happens again.dignin said:
I think most countries have done a better job than the US.JW269453 said:
Comparing a pandemic to a terrorist attack? Seems like an attempt to exploit emotion since the two events have no connection whatsoever. Praising Italy and the world for shutting down and quarantining? Yeah, only after they had been highly infected while the US had seemingly yet to be. Selective presentation of facts, yet another propaganda tactic. The video would have been much better served were it actually comparing the handling of this crisis to other countries when they were at the same threat level as us, but we know that wasn’t really the reason it was made. Were mistakes made? Of course, but the same can be said for any crises. Just look at every other country dealing with this that the video seems to think did such a great job. Social media is our equivalent of a wet market. You’ve been infected now stop infecting other people because you believe everything you see and read.CM189191 said:josevolution said:https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1248367637631053828?s=21
Biden should just start to get down&dirty against the idiot!
https://youtu.be/UHjJydZO99A
video for those twitter haters
The only reason things aren't much worse there is because most governors showed true leadership. If it was left up to just Trump and his admin I fear things would be much much worse.0 -
I'm being out-libertarianed in this thread left and right. This is new territory!brianlux said:pjl44 said:
When Justin Amash was speaking out against the CARES Act, this was one of his two pillars of a cleaner, more efficient bill. Basically:brianlux said:Here's an interesting article that proposes that putting money into widespread testing would do more to slow the spread of the virus AND help the economy much more than doling out the $1200 which only help people get by for maybe a week or so:
- Allocate funding to rapidly increase testing and tracing programs.
- Cut a monthly check of $2-3k to every American for 3 months to start. Evaluate for an extension after 3 months.
No unrelated funding, no convoluted programs. Just put cash in people's pockets and fund what will actually help us get our arms around the problem.
Even at the lower 2K per month that comes out close to $420 billion per month. Where is that money going to come from? The only way I can see that they'd be able to give every American $2-$3k every month would be by printing funny money or getting billionaires and corporations to cough up the bucks. I just don't see it happening. I think the money needs to go into widespread testing then isolating all positive cases and letting those tested negative to go back to work.
I think the idea is to make budget cuts and address the deficit once you're on the other end of this crisis. The funny money isn't really an issue if you have a plan to gradually remove it later. If you want to argue that we never do that, well you're certainly preaching to the choir. But if there is a time to run a deficit and get financial relief directly to the people, this is it.
I think the public would flip their wigs if the economic aspect wasn't addressed at all. No direct payments, no enhancement to unemployment benefits, no small business loans. I'm not saying I agree with all of that or how it was deployed, but we've had 16 million people file for unemployment in 3 weeks. And that doesn't even factor in companies forcing wage reductions. It's a bloodbath right now.0 -
I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.0
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what dreams said:Another thing that struck me while out driving -- people wearing masks while they are outside taking a walk, by themselves, on a path/sidewalk with no other or very small numbers of pedestrians or bikers. I know this was part of a discussion earlier, about how safe or selfish it is to walk or exercise.
My thought was -- what a complete waste of a mask. Here we are with a supposed shortage of masks for people who critically need them, and I'm passing people outside in a suburban neighborhood on a tree lined path with nobody else within dozens of yards of them wearing a mask. Is there virus lingering on that red bud tree branch oozing down from the pollen into your nose?
I feel like the "abundance of caution" has become absurd in some cases. People are losing their common sense. (assuming they had it before a month ago)When I go for a walk thru. Y suburban neighborhood, I don’t wear a mask as I’ve easily been able to keep ten feet from anyone else on the streets. If I were to wear a mask, I have a few left over from last month when we were in the ICU with my daughter.When I get the nerve to go to the state park beach I’ll probably bring a mask along in cast the park rangers demand one. I plan on cutting out a few from ole t shirts as the cdc recommends when I need more.0 -
I apparently live in the twilight zone, otherwise known as rural America. Right now our neighbors are having a family gathering for Easter. Grandparents, kids and siblings with grandkids just hanging out and enjoying the nice day, just like any other time. Same with our other neighbor who is continually entertaining people who stop over and hang out in the garage at night. Meanwhile, we can no longer use our reusable bags at the grocery stores and are required to have a mask on when we go in, which is in addition to the plexiglass barriers they've built around the cashiers and 6 foot distancing stickers on the floors. If only this virus were more deadly people might take it more seriously, but you know #freedom
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brianlux said:what dreams said:
I was just having this exact thought while driving to my weekly store run and listening to NPR story on the checks coming out.brianlux said:Here's an interesting article that proposes that putting money into widespread testing would do more to slow the spread of the virus AND help the economy much more than doling out the $1200 which only help people get by for maybe a week or so:
I had another mini-meltdown while out and still not able to find dishwasher powder. Did people eat on paper plates before this pandemic? How can we, a month out, still not have dishwasher powder in the cleaning aisles? I'm going to be forced to buy the $75 case of it on Amazon. My mom says "WE can wash the dishes by hand." I'm like, "Mom, there is no WE when it comes to housework around here." I know I'm supposed to be grateful that my biggest problem is no Cascade. I'm really just over all of it. The Cascade is emblematic of my virus fatigue.
I know this may sound lame, but maybe try to take a different mental approach to hand washing dishes. I used to hate it when my mom made me wash the dishes (by hand, we had no dishwasher) but I learned to enjoy the process. The warm water feels good on the hands, specially in cooler weather. Put on some calming music, feel the warm water on your hands. Enjoy the purposeful process. The other thing you might consider is to do them after each meal which is what I do when my wife is gone. By myself, it's just a few dishes and a little soap on a sponges, a quick wash and rinse in hot water and they're done! Then you can go back to doing something else.I can only find the cascade pacs, not powder. We use pacs and usually works, but that could be based on our fairly new dishwasher.0 -
I bought a bunch of bandanas a couple weeks ago and we've been wearing those whenever we go out. Not to walk the dog or walk around the neighborhood, though.bbiggs said:I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.0 -
Good idea. I’ll look for some in bulk on Amazon, but any good suggestions, or did you purchase from the store? I ask because there are a lot of shady products being sold right now to take advantage of the situation. Just want to make sure I get decent quality.pjl44 said:
I bought a bunch of bandanas a couple weeks ago and we've been wearing those whenever we go out. Not to walk the dog or walk around the neighborhood, though.bbiggs said:I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.0 -
My family are wearing masks at grocery store (and limiting trips) and when picking up food.bbiggs said:I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Wiping down the cart with a Lysol wipe and most definitely wearing a mask at the store.cincybearcat said:
My family are wearing masks at grocery store (and limiting trips) and when picking up food.bbiggs said:I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.0 -
Here’s the reality. Unless you are buying an actual respirator, which aren’t available anymore, most of the other barrier masks are providing the same level of protection and it’s not a lot. Look up cdc standard for what material to use. Lots of tshirt places now selling masks made of their shirts online. And really the mask protect people FROM you better than you from them. But it helps some. If everyone was wearing we’d all be protecting each other. Good luck, don’t stress out, so your best, wash your hands, enjoy what we still have left in our lives for now. Stay safebbiggs said:
Good idea. I’ll look for some in bulk on Amazon, but any good suggestions, or did you purchase from the store? I ask because there are a lot of shady products being sold right now to take advantage of the situation. Just want to make sure I get decent quality.pjl44 said:
I bought a bunch of bandanas a couple weeks ago and we've been wearing those whenever we go out. Not to walk the dog or walk around the neighborhood, though.bbiggs said:I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.
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bbiggs said:I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.had a box of "procedure masks , nonsterile" already. Had gotten sick pretty good awhile back and didnt want to share within the house. loops around the ear.I will wear them while walking to and from the store and of course while inside. Reason being, I come in proximity to drivers from several midwestern states while at work, I dont want to run the risk of spreading it unwittingly. And this was only after we were informed a city driver at another terminal tested positive._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Mr. SC, I'm doing pretty much the same as Bri for Easter. We used an air brush and an egg spinner with felts. I made an Easter dinner yesterday, which was basically making a stuffing that the kid likes that I hide protein in. I didn't get a plastic wrapped basket this year as that would have required going into a market. I prefer to have the food brought to my trunk. I wipe it when I get home before it comes in the house, removing cardboard and washing fresh, porous produce. I headed all of the Europe/US warnings of shortages and did get an expensive large amount of dishwasher pacs a month back. I also found on the Canadian .gov site that Fantastik is a sterilizer as there is no Chlorox/Lysol. I scored bigtime and know how the OP felt when they found some lysol!
Anyhow, I got my child an Easter present: new markers and a colouring book. The Easter bunny is bringing a crap load that should last months. I get so happy that my child made it to grade 3 and still believes!
We grow apples, grapes, peaches, cherries, plums here. There are many farms around for eggs and garden produce. Today, a winery was giving away 4L of hand sanitizer at a drive through on their orchard, as many vineyards have converted their alcohol to make this product. There were hundreds of cars lined up for miles.I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
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It should be called the China virus ... and I’m fine with that. Fuck ChinaLedbetterman10 said:Amen. Maher ranting about how the virus is China’s fault and it’s not racist to call them out on it.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I ordered some from Target and some from Amazon. Amazon ones came a little quicker, but they both beat the estimated delivery date.bbiggs said:
Good idea. I’ll look for some in bulk on Amazon, but any good suggestions, or did you purchase from the store? I ask because there are a lot of shady products being sold right now to take advantage of the situation. Just want to make sure I get decent quality.pjl44 said:
I bought a bunch of bandanas a couple weeks ago and we've been wearing those whenever we go out. Not to walk the dog or walk around the neighborhood, though.bbiggs said:I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.
Like Cincy said, it's not as good as a mask but the science shows it's better than nothing. Especially if someone has it and is asymptomatic. You're doing everyone else a solid.0 -
My company is considered essential so I have picked up takeout more than I’d like recently, but have a very sanitizing approach about it. Hand over cash, sanitizer. Receive change, sanitizer. Receive bag, sanitizer. Take contents out of bag, sanitizer. Open contents, sanitizer. Place food on clean plate, wash hands and eat. I had to make a grocery run to Costco and wore a N95 mask and kept a small bottle of sanitizer in my pocket which I used any time I had to open a freezer door and after I checked out. Loaded up the car, sanitizer. It seems crazy but I have a pregnant wife and young son so I take going out of the house very seriously. Luckily it seemed like the majority of people I have encountered while out have also been taking it seriously. We are up to 13 deaths and a few hundred confirmed cases, unfortunately the majority of those are from nursing homes. There is also a large student population living here and they are the last people I trust. Yesterday I heard 5 nursing facilities were infected so our mortality numbers are likely to be much higher than the national average.bbiggs said:I’m curious what others here are doing when going into a store (grocery, hardware, etc.) or to pick up food for takeout. Are you wearing a mask? If so, a cloth or surgical mask?Every task has become such a process. We’re trying to limit unnecessary store runs, but at the same time, it’s Easter weekend and we’d like to go get ingredients to make a nice meal tomorrow. We’re thinking about getting takeout tonight to support a local restaurant, but we have to go inside to pick it up. So, both options become a big task with potential risk now. It’s really getting exhausting.0
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