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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482
    Johan Gisecke, former state epidemiologist believes that Sweden can be free from restrictions by midsummer.

    - I think you remove one restriction at a time and see what happens. You might start by opening the school to everyone, then wait a week and see if there will be more infections. If there are more infections, you have to close the schools again. If nothing happens, you remove one more and then you hold on for a while.

    Don't you think that tougher restrictions may apply?

    - It could very happen. The Easter holiday is important to see if there is more spread. It can get stricter and that you start to loosen it up later. It is not possible to say, says Johan Gisecke.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • FiveBelow
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    Here is a perspective from someone who doesn’t get wrapped up in rooting for one side or the other. Why did we not already have a plan in place for how to handle a worldwide pandemic? A no questions asked, exact course of action type of plan. Seems to me like that might be something our government should have given some thought about well before Trump even had the idea of running for office. Our last administration saw what the swine flu pandemic could do, and that was with a understanding of how to combat the H1N1 virus already. There were microbiologists predicting something like this current coronavirus pandemic with uncanny accuracy years ago. I have attached a review from the American Society for Microbiology published back in October of 2007 for reference along with the very accurate portion in a screenshot. No president should have to make up a plan on the fly when it comes to the safety of our country. Sorry, but this shit falls squarely on the inability of our government and not having their priorities straight long ago. Republican or Democrat it doesn’t matter, while all they care about is pointing fingers and acting like fucking children measures could have been taken. You don’t have to like Trump, and he undoubtedly says some off the wall things but the blame for this should be directed elsewhere. When do we stop letting our government divide us and start holding them accountable instead of spreading hate amongst each other? People just can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. RATM said it best, WAKE UP!

    https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660.full


  • bbiggs
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    ^Agreed that the writing has been on the wall for many years and warnings were given, but for some odd reason the U.S. remained very ill-prepared. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JW269453 said:
    Here is a perspective from someone who doesn’t get wrapped up in rooting for one side or the other. Why did we not already have a plan in place for how to handle a worldwide pandemic? A no questions asked, exact course of action type of plan. Seems to me like that might be something our government should have given some thought about well before Trump even had the idea of running for office. Our last administration saw what the swine flu pandemic could do, and that was with a understanding of how to combat the H1N1 virus already. There were microbiologists predicting something like this current coronavirus pandemic with uncanny accuracy years ago. I have attached a review from the American Society for Microbiology published back in October of 2007 for reference along with the very accurate portion in a screenshot. No president should have to make up a plan on the fly when it comes to the safety of our country. Sorry, but this shit falls squarely on the inability of our government and not having their priorities straight long ago. Republican or Democrat it doesn’t matter, while all they care about is pointing fingers and acting like fucking children measures could have been taken. You don’t have to like Trump, and he undoubtedly says some off the wall things but the blame for this should be directed elsewhere. When do we stop letting our government divide us and start holding them accountable instead of spreading hate amongst each other? People just can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. RATM said it best, WAKE UP!

    https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660.full


    Buh, buh, buh, Obama created a cabinet level position to address and deal with issues just like what you’re asking for after the H1N1 and/or Ebola outbreaks. Also, requested additional funding for CDC and pandemic planning. Guess who eliminated the cabinet position and defunded pandemic planning? Also, guess who hasn’t filled hundreds if not thousands of leadership positions within the executive branch that could have mitigated some of what we’re dealing with today? Too bad your pointing your finger in the wrong direction.
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  • CM189191
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    JW269453 said:
    Here is a perspective from someone who doesn’t get wrapped up in rooting for one side or the other. Why did we not already have a plan in place for how to handle a worldwide pandemic? A no questions asked, exact course of action type of plan. Seems to me like that might be something our government should have given some thought about well before Trump even had the idea of running for office. Our last administration saw what the swine flu pandemic could do, and that was with a understanding of how to combat the H1N1 virus already. There were microbiologists predicting something like this current coronavirus pandemic with uncanny accuracy years ago. I have attached a review from the American Society for Microbiology published back in October of 2007 for reference along with the very accurate portion in a screenshot. No president should have to make up a plan on the fly when it comes to the safety of our country. Sorry, but this shit falls squarely on the inability of our government and not having their priorities straight long ago. Republican or Democrat it doesn’t matter, while all they care about is pointing fingers and acting like fucking children measures could have been taken. You don’t have to like Trump, and he undoubtedly says some off the wall things but the blame for this should be directed elsewhere. When do we stop letting our government divide us and start holding them accountable instead of spreading hate amongst each other? People just can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. RATM said it best, WAKE UP!

    https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660.full


    ....ummmmm.....

    Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’
    In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797

    Trump admin was briefed on a possible pandemic driving transition by the outgoing Obama administration. Trump disbanded the National Security Council pandemic unit. Trump dropped the ball on the response.

    Stop with the both sides are bad bullshit.  Trump administration single handedly fucked America on this one.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Lack of intelligence and leadership results in the below. But keep thinking no one was thinking about it since 2007 and the last repub Administration.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488069-obama-officials-walked-trump-aides-through-global-pandemic-exercise-in-2017
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    I hope every repub is proud that Team Trump Treason was the most capable and stable genius to lead the US.

    WH Pandemic news conference is a televised ass kissing. 
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  • bbiggs
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    It definitely seems like the Obama Administration was on a path to be better prepared for this, but I can't get on board with either party supposedly walking on water.   
  • brianlux
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    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/mar/29/stephen-king-the-stand-coronavirus-trump-books

    'Impossible to comprehend': Stephen King on horrors of Trump and coronavirus


    Good article about King, The Stand, and how utterly unprepared we were when we could have been.  Classic clusterfuck situation we're in.



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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Yup, Team Trump Treason’s administration’s actions had absolutely nothing to do with how we ended up as we are.

    https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a


    Current practices should remain in place until April 30th. but what about the packed churches for Easter?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Team Trump Treason really doesn’t like questions from people of color, even when he’s asked a question about a direct quote from his Hannity interview. How dare you! Be nice! What a thin skinned loser.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Massive drug addiction and suicides, the likes of which have never been seen before, if the economy doesn’t get going, worse than Coronavirus deaths.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    “Ride it! Ride it like a cowboy!” Team Trump Treason is unhinged. Watching it occur in real time should give anyone pause.
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  • mcgruff10
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    Quarantine extended until April 30th.  Good call.  
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/trump-extends-coronavirus-social-distancing-guidelines-to-april-30/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    JW269453 said:
    Here is a perspective from someone who doesn’t get wrapped up in rooting for one side or the other. Why did we not already have a plan in place for how to handle a worldwide pandemic? A no questions asked, exact course of action type of plan. Seems to me like that might be something our government should have given some thought about well before Trump even had the idea of running for office. Our last administration saw what the swine flu pandemic could do, and that was with a understanding of how to combat the H1N1 virus already. There were microbiologists predicting something like this current coronavirus pandemic with uncanny accuracy years ago. I have attached a review from the American Society for Microbiology published back in October of 2007 for reference along with the very accurate portion in a screenshot. No president should have to make up a plan on the fly when it comes to the safety of our country. Sorry, but this shit falls squarely on the inability of our government and not having their priorities straight long ago. Republican or Democrat it doesn’t matter, while all they care about is pointing fingers and acting like fucking children measures could have been taken. You don’t have to like Trump, and he undoubtedly says some off the wall things but the blame for this should be directed elsewhere. When do we stop letting our government divide us and start holding them accountable instead of spreading hate amongst each other? People just can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. RATM said it best, WAKE UP!

    https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660.full


    It's like we're living on different planets.

    I just can't even.
  • brianlux
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Quarantine extended until April 30th.  Good call.  
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/trump-extends-coronavirus-social-distancing-guidelines-to-april-30/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

    Agreed! 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited March 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Quarantine extended until April 30th.  Good call.  
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/trump-extends-coronavirus-social-distancing-guidelines-to-april-30/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
    How does it work in the USA with this? He is extending the social distancing until the end of April but do the individual States even have to listen to him? On the flip side once the 30 days are up and he wants to open everything back up if some States do not want to comply do they have to?
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    edited March 2020
    nicknyr15 said:
    bbiggs said:
    Has anyone been able to find any disinfecting wipes?  Everywhere I look online is out of stock.  We have a bunch of multi-purpose wipes, but they are primarily for cleaning; not disinfecting. 
    Forget it. Purell, Lysol, wipes, rubbing alcohol,n95, latex gloves. Done. I don’t think we’ll see any of these for retail until after May. My distributor said June is the latest update for n95 masks. They all stayed in China (where they’re made) in December. 
    Ugh.  

    The one smart thing i did was i went to WalMart before it hit the fan.  Just mailed some masks to my parents. They can’t find them anywhere.  Gave the kids their masks, etc.  
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    PJNB said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Quarantine extended until April 30th.  Good call.  
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/trump-extends-coronavirus-social-distancing-guidelines-to-april-30/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
    How does it work in the USA with this? He is extending the social distancing until the end of April but do the individual States even have to listen to him? On the flip side once the 30 days are up and he wants to open everything back up if some States do not want to comply do they have to?
    It’s up to the individual state. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited March 2020
    PJNB said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Quarantine extended until April 30th.  Good call.  
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/trump-extends-coronavirus-social-distancing-guidelines-to-april-30/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
    How does it work in the USA with this? He is extending the social distancing until the end of April but do the individual States even have to listen to him? On the flip side once the 30 days are up and he wants to open everything back up if some States do not want to comply do they have to?
    I think it’s each state like bbigs said. But also there’s no real penalty, except for businesses in some cases. I can throw a party and invite 100 people and I don’t think I’d be fined or anything. 
    It’s like school right now. We’re still giving assignments, but we’ve been told to not fail anyone even if they don’t do a single thing.
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