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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,082
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Post self isolating mistake-nap. 




    That’s your kitty? Very cute. I used to have one 20 years ago with a white face and black hair on top, very similar. I’m jealous!
  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    edited March 2020
    Lerxst1992 said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Did the GOP just sign a death warrant for 6 million?

    ...

    Republican Sen. Ron Johnson cast doubt on the severity of federally issued guidance aimed at staunching the spread of the novel coronavirus, urging people to consider the economic drawbacks of the recommendations

    "I'm not denying what a nasty disease COVID-19 can be, and how it's obviously devastating to somewhere between 1 and 3.4 percent of the population," Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday. "But that means 97 to 99 percent will get through this and develop immunities and will be able to move beyond this."

    But we don't shut down our economy because tens of thousands of people die on the highways. It's a risk we accept so we can move about," 

    ...

    It's just a bad version of the flu. My garbage man used to be a doctor and told me so while picking up my trash.


    "between 1 and 3.4 percent" of 320 million is not measured in thousands, a$$hole GOP Senator. Try many millions. Go back to sniffing Trump's arse.
    The math is off but the premise isn’t crazy.  Sure it might be too early to make this decision, but depending on how long it goes on it is a decision that might have to be made. I mean how long can we realistically let the world be at a complete standstill? 12 months, 18, 2 years?  The best projections for a working vaccine suggest 18 months....what are we supposed to do until then? Especially those of us who have had their livelihoods put at major risk.

    Look at what China did, look at what Italy is doing, learn from it.  If we do not retard the spread of this the problem is going to be worse than if we do.  Take a federal approach and get serious about keeping people away from each other.  Focus all energies on the support system/working against the disease instead of trying to string things along.  Stop any payments/collections.  After the 30 days we have a better plan, we re-open stuff and find a way.  Right now, it seems like we are letting everyone do what works best for them.
    How in the heck is that going to get us the result we need?

    I don't know the right answers....like I shared above, the take I watched yesterday on a national lockdown to protect the people & the economy for a short while seems like a better response than what we are doing now.

    What scares me right now is read up on the lengths China went to just to get where they are now in 4 months.  They were much more proactive and extreme. 

    This is a highly contagious and deadly asymptomatic disease, with a president spreading lies about it every day. Including this afternoon. 

    The key word is asymptomatic. That’s why China took drastic action. It’s very possible the US gets many more cases than China. Because their leadership understood the danger of asymptomatic disease and North Americans are too busy finding their comforts.
    China took drastic action because they can take those actions there. The government controls everything, and can bust out the iron fist if so desired. You noticed how those in China who were sending info on the situation out of the country have disappeared? Not an accident.  Wouldnt be surprised if the military there didn’t put a few folks down in the streets to reinforce the message to stay home. That’s why it worked there.

    I don’t foresee the Marines being ordered out to mow down drunk college kids on Florida beaches to send a message to stay home anytime soon.

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,141
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Did the GOP just sign a death warrant for 6 million?

    ...

    Republican Sen. Ron Johnson cast doubt on the severity of federally issued guidance aimed at staunching the spread of the novel coronavirus, urging people to consider the economic drawbacks of the recommendations

    "I'm not denying what a nasty disease COVID-19 can be, and how it's obviously devastating to somewhere between 1 and 3.4 percent of the population," Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday. "But that means 97 to 99 percent will get through this and develop immunities and will be able to move beyond this."

    But we don't shut down our economy because tens of thousands of people die on the highways. It's a risk we accept so we can move about," 

    ...

    It's just a bad version of the flu. My garbage man used to be a doctor and told me so while picking up my trash.


    "between 1 and 3.4 percent" of 320 million is not measured in thousands, a$$hole GOP Senator. Try many millions. Go back to sniffing Trump's arse.
    The math is off but the premise isn’t crazy.  Sure it might be too early to make this decision, but depending on how long it goes on it is a decision that might have to be made. I mean how long can we realistically let the world be at a complete standstill? 12 months, 18, 2 years?  The best projections for a working vaccine suggest 18 months....what are we supposed to do until then? Especially those of us who have had their livelihoods put at major risk.

    You can check that data with the CDC, I’m not sure what inaccuracy you are citing.

    At what point do you as a private citizen have the right to venture in public? Should there be some criteria that you are healthy and not a public health risk? we had to take the steps needed to save lives with a mostly asymptomatic disease where 80% are deadly carriers who probably thought they were healthy and comfortable, And the US failed to stop it while being told we did stop it. Now we suffer the consequences of that failed action and failed leadership.

     Also before finding comfort, consider nearly half of those under 60 with preexisting conditions, in the general sense, are unaware of their preexisting condition. And therefore unaware of risks faced.

    “ According to a new analysis by the Department of Health and Human Services, 50 to 129 million (19 to 50 percent of) non-elderly Americans have some type of pre-existing health condition. ”

    Why the wide range? Because most of the younger population with such conditions are unaware. That is the problem with many comments in this topic. We are comfortable yet unaware we are a hazardous health risk.
    The senators math is off because it could severely affect 10+million not Tens of thousands.
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,965
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Was just on a large CDC Private Sector Partner group call with the Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC

    She had nothing really new to share beyond what we can read on their site.  She sounded in favor of a larger lockdown but would not commit to anything being taken action on federally, stating that it is being left to local governing bodies to make their own determinations.
    She did stress that the social distancing could and would work to slow this down, but it would only be effective if every community took it seriously.
    (Which we know will not happen w/o enforcement.)

    There were about 1,000 questions submitted -- some of them really interesting (things I had not thought/heard about) and some that were so totally fucking ignorant given the updates the CDC provides.





    "if" people take it seriously...
    Their parents must be proud. 
  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    bbiggs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Was just on a large CDC Private Sector Partner group call with the Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC

    She had nothing really new to share beyond what we can read on their site.  She sounded in favor of a larger lockdown but would not commit to anything being taken action on federally, stating that it is being left to local governing bodies to make their own determinations.
    She did stress that the social distancing could and would work to slow this down, but it would only be effective if every community took it seriously.
    (Which we know will not happen w/o enforcement.)

    There were about 1,000 questions submitted -- some of them really interesting (things I had not thought/heard about) and some that were so totally fucking ignorant given the updates the CDC provides.





    "if" people take it seriously...
    Their parents must be proud. 
    I know right?!? Dumbass forgot to put on sunscreen. Serves him right.
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    bbiggs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Was just on a large CDC Private Sector Partner group call with the Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC

    She had nothing really new to share beyond what we can read on their site.  She sounded in favor of a larger lockdown but would not commit to anything being taken action on federally, stating that it is being left to local governing bodies to make their own determinations.
    She did stress that the social distancing could and would work to slow this down, but it would only be effective if every community took it seriously.
    (Which we know will not happen w/o enforcement.)

    There were about 1,000 questions submitted -- some of them really interesting (things I had not thought/heard about) and some that were so totally fucking ignorant given the updates the CDC provides.





    "if" people take it seriously...
    Their parents must be proud. 
    This is the result of child safe toys... 
    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    myoung321 said:
    bbiggs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Was just on a large CDC Private Sector Partner group call with the Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC

    She had nothing really new to share beyond what we can read on their site.  She sounded in favor of a larger lockdown but would not commit to anything being taken action on federally, stating that it is being left to local governing bodies to make their own determinations.
    She did stress that the social distancing could and would work to slow this down, but it would only be effective if every community took it seriously.
    (Which we know will not happen w/o enforcement.)

    There were about 1,000 questions submitted -- some of them really interesting (things I had not thought/heard about) and some that were so totally fucking ignorant given the updates the CDC provides.





    "if" people take it seriously...
    Their parents must be proud. 
    This is the result of child safe toys... 
    Ha, yup. This is the kind of kid who would have put a lawn dart through his head 30 years ago.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,770
    Lerxst1992 said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Did the GOP just sign a death warrant for 6 million?

    ...

    Republican Sen. Ron Johnson cast doubt on the severity of federally issued guidance aimed at staunching the spread of the novel coronavirus, urging people to consider the economic drawbacks of the recommendations

    "I'm not denying what a nasty disease COVID-19 can be, and how it's obviously devastating to somewhere between 1 and 3.4 percent of the population," Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday. "But that means 97 to 99 percent will get through this and develop immunities and will be able to move beyond this."

    But we don't shut down our economy because tens of thousands of people die on the highways. It's a risk we accept so we can move about," 

    ...

    It's just a bad version of the flu. My garbage man used to be a doctor and told me so while picking up my trash.


    "between 1 and 3.4 percent" of 320 million is not measured in thousands, a$$hole GOP Senator. Try many millions. Go back to sniffing Trump's arse.
    The math is off but the premise isn’t crazy.  Sure it might be too early to make this decision, but depending on how long it goes on it is a decision that might have to be made. I mean how long can we realistically let the world be at a complete standstill? 12 months, 18, 2 years?  The best projections for a working vaccine suggest 18 months....what are we supposed to do until then? Especially those of us who have had their livelihoods put at major risk.

    Look at what China did, look at what Italy is doing, learn from it.  If we do not retard the spread of this the problem is going to be worse than if we do.  Take a federal approach and get serious about keeping people away from each other.  Focus all energies on the support system/working against the disease instead of trying to string things along.  Stop any payments/collections.  After the 30 days we have a better plan, we re-open stuff and find a way.  Right now, it seems like we are letting everyone do what works best for them.
    How in the heck is that going to get us the result we need?

    I don't know the right answers....like I shared above, the take I watched yesterday on a national lockdown to protect the people & the economy for a short while seems like a better response than what we are doing now.

    What scares me right now is read up on the lengths China went to just to get where they are now in 4 months.  They were much more proactive and extreme. 

    This is a highly contagious and deadly asymptomatic disease, with a president spreading lies about it every day. Including this afternoon. 

    The key word is asymptomatic. That’s why China took drastic action. It’s very possible the US gets many more cases than China. Because their leadership understood the danger of asymptomatic disease and North Americans are too busy finding their comforts.
    It’s also easier to subdue mass population that has been under total control for generations, we here are free free in every way so how do you get all of the NY boroughs to shelter down? I could stay in my suburban house for months with out bumping into another human! Work is different I work for Northwell @Manhassett it’s a danger zone..

    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,140
    #4 passes.  I can’t even. 
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/fourth-person-in-nj-family-has-died-from-the-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=message_app
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,770
    mcgruff10 said:
    #4 passes.  I can’t even. 
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/fourth-person-in-nj-family-has-died-from-the-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=message_app
    So sorry bro I’m shocked just reading just stay safe take care your beautiful family! Man this sucks 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mcgruff10 said:
    #4 passes.  I can’t even. 
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/fourth-person-in-nj-family-has-died-from-the-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=message_app
    So tragic. Sorry, Mike.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    mcgruff10 said:
    #4 passes.  I can’t even. 
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/fourth-person-in-nj-family-has-died-from-the-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=message_app

    My condolences.  I hope you and your family are doing OK.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,965
    Very sorry, Mike.  That poor family.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    mcgruff10 said:
    #4 passes.  I can’t even. 
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/fourth-person-in-nj-family-has-died-from-the-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=message_app
    I'm so sorry.  My heart goes out to that family.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,972
    Kat said:
    The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.

    The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.

    On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting that the virus could be seasonal.

    "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."

    On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.

    continued at
    https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818192535/burr-recording-sparks-questions-about-private-comments-on-covid-19
    People are wondering if this is insider trading and if it's illegal.



    Falling down,...not staying down
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    stuckinline said:
    So, what is the solution/best option to control covid in the US?


    Seeing how isolating has helped in China, I think that is the way to go.  But honestly (and I know a lot of people don't want to hear this), I don't think they did it long enough.  Michael Osterholm- who seems like one of the best informed disease specialists out there- believes more cases will begin to appear again in China because they did not shut down long enough.  From what I've read, my hunch is that it will take several months on social distancing and isolating, maybe even 12 to 18 months.  I know not everyone can do that, but those who can, should. 

    Please don't anyone say, "That's easy for you to say."  I've had to give up three of the things that bring me the most pleasure and feeling of worth in life:  My job at the bookstore, my book and record scouting, and my little vinyl business."  I'm letting go most of the things I love best to try to help.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,770
    Kat said:
    Kat said:
    The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.

    The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.

    On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting that the virus could be seasonal.

    "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."

    On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.

    continued at
    https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818192535/burr-recording-sparks-questions-about-private-comments-on-covid-19
    People are wondering if this is insider trading and if it's illegal.



    Whoa that’s disturbing I’m not sure what to believe these days ☹️
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,972
    The corruption is mind-boggling for sure and this could be more of it. 
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,548
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Post self isolating mistake-nap. 




    That’s your kitty? Very cute. I used to have one 20 years ago with a white face and black hair on top, very similar. I’m jealous!
    Yes! :)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,548
    eeriepadave said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO6FW1aJkTw&t

    Haha. Did Edgar Wright direct it? ;)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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