The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,240
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    I’m a Bernie supporter and I sincerely hope he drops out.  At this point the best that we can do is do what it takes to have some solidarity behind beating Trump
    thank you.

    are you in touch with other supporters? have any sense where they stand in relation to what you just said?
    I have no idea what other people think.  Ithere will be some upset people that will vote third party or not at all but that’s to be expected.  At this point I’m going to use my vote to vote against trump and hope that the midterms and 2024 will have room to swing more to the left.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Bernies still in it to win it.
    would like him to explain how......


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    mickeyrat said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Bernies still in it to win it.
    would like him to explain how......




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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,620
    I like Bernie, but there is no reason to stay in. Getting these kinds of judgement calls wrong does nothing to help his candidacy. 
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Bernie Sanders: "Today I say to the Democratic establishment: in order to win in the future, you need to win the voters who represent the future of our country, and you must speak to the issues of concern to them." 

    Primary voters: "Today I say to Bernie Sanders: in order to win in the future, you need to win the votes who represent the future of our country, and you must speak to the issues of concern to them." 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    edited March 2020
    People seeing cool-cat Adam Schiff and slayer Nancy Pelosi etc in action in these times, I don't think the "democratic establishment" boogeyman works on normal folks. 

    He should have been more "sound social reforms for the benefit of normal peoples lives, that other countries have to make their citizens lives better, more safe and more fair" and less "JOIN THE REVOLUTION, GRAB NEAREST SWORD AND LETS HEAD TO THE SWAMPS OF WASHINGTON FOR BLOOD"
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    He should have dropped out.

    Either way--one more debate prep for Joe. 
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  • ikiT
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,319
    My hope is that Bernie and Biden have a civil debate to illustrate their proximity to the same end results, just different ways and timelines to get there. This is good and healthy for the party and the voters and can run contrary to Team Trump Treason not having any challengers, or really, any solutions to the issues of concern to the berniebrosises. Followed by a private meeting where Sleepy "Woke" Joe agrees to certain policy initiatives, maybe a cabinet position, in exchange for Bernie to actively and aggressively campaign for him. My fear is that the berniebrosises will refuse to come on board regardless and that Bernie will be lukewarm in his support. And that dooms us to four more years of Team Trump Treason. Question for the berniebrosises, who is or was Bernie's standard torch bearer after 4 to 8 years, or is that the length of the "revolution?" Which young up and coming "independent/democrat" was going to continue the revolution? Seems a major mistake to alienate everyone around you and not grow your coalition, like the guy who "lost it."
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  • cincybearcat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My hope is that Bernie and Biden have a civil debate to illustrate their proximity to the same end results, just different ways and timelines to get there. This is good and healthy for the party and the voters and can run contrary to Team Trump Treason not having any challengers, or really, any solutions to the issues of concern to the berniebrosises. Followed by a private meeting where Sleepy "Woke" Joe agrees to certain policy initiatives, maybe a cabinet position, in exchange for Bernie to actively and aggressively campaign for him. My fear is that the berniebrosises will refuse to come on board regardless and that Bernie will be lukewarm in his support. And that dooms us to four more years of Team Trump Treason. Question for the berniebrosises, who is or was Bernie's standard torch bearer after 4 to 8 years, or is that the length of the "revolution?" Which young up and coming "independent/democrat" was going to continue the revolution? Seems a major mistake to alienate everyone around you and not grow your coalition, like the guy who "lost it."
    I just hope they don't both drop dead...which I feel is a real possibility.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,554
    Trump might beat them to it if stocks continue to slide.

    More than half the gains dating back to his inauguration are gone. He must be furious. Poor baby.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,018
    The Juggler said:
    He should have dropped out.

    Either way--one more debate prep for Joe. 
    He’ll need it. That’d be bad for him to not have any debates between now and whenever he’d debate Trump. Probably in September. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My hope is that Bernie and Biden have a civil debate to illustrate their proximity to the same end results, just different ways and timelines to get there. This is good and healthy for the party and the voters and can run contrary to Team Trump Treason not having any challengers, or really, any solutions to the issues of concern to the berniebrosises. Followed by a private meeting where Sleepy "Woke" Joe agrees to certain policy initiatives, maybe a cabinet position, in exchange for Bernie to actively and aggressively campaign for him. My fear is that the berniebrosises will refuse to come on board regardless and that Bernie will be lukewarm in his support. And that dooms us to four more years of Team Trump Treason. Question for the berniebrosises, who is or was Bernie's standard torch bearer after 4 to 8 years, or is that the length of the "revolution?" Which young up and coming "independent/democrat" was going to continue the revolution? Seems a major mistake to alienate everyone around you and not grow your coalition, like the guy who "lost it."
    I just hope they don't both drop dead...which I feel is a real possibility.
    I do too. That makes Joe picking the right running mate all the more important 
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  • mrussel1
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    He should have dropped out.

    Either way--one more debate prep for Joe. 
    He’ll need it. That’d be bad for him to not have any debates between now and whenever he’d debate Trump. Probably in September. 
    Debates don't mean shit.  Ask Elizabeth Warren what winning one means. 
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,018
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    He should have dropped out.

    Either way--one more debate prep for Joe. 
    He’ll need it. That’d be bad for him to not have any debates between now and whenever he’d debate Trump. Probably in September. 
    Debates don't mean shit.  Ask Elizabeth Warren what winning one means. 
    None of those debates with Liz mattered. Not because of her. But because it was a half-dozen people yelling at and over each other, most of which had no shot at the nomination. But a one-on-one debate could hold water. I don’t think either Biden or Trump will win the election based on debates, but they could lose votes based off a horrible debate. 
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  • mrussel1
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    He should have dropped out.

    Either way--one more debate prep for Joe. 
    He’ll need it. That’d be bad for him to not have any debates between now and whenever he’d debate Trump. Probably in September. 
    Debates don't mean shit.  Ask Elizabeth Warren what winning one means. 
    None of those debates with Liz mattered. Not because of her. But because it was a half-dozen people yelling at and over each other, most of which had no shot at the nomination. But a one-on-one debate could hold water. I don’t think either Biden or Trump will win the election based on debates, but they could lose votes based off a horrible debate. 
    I suppose a falling down, stumbling debate performance might make a difference.  But in general, it's likability.  The results this week proves that yet again.  Clintons was not better liked than Trump.  Obama was well liked. Bush was, Bill Clinton was... etc.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,121
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,620
    If Biden stumbles over his words at a debate or looks confused, it will make it easier for people who want to believe there is no difference between he and Trump to do so. His strength is that he is a better person than Trump, but the debates may serve to reinforce that they are both old men, regardless of the fact that Trump is a blithering idiot. 63 million Republicans will vote for him. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    He should have dropped out.

    Either way--one more debate prep for Joe. 
    He’ll need it. That’d be bad for him to not have any debates between now and whenever he’d debate Trump. Probably in September. 
    Debates don't mean shit.  Ask Elizabeth Warren what winning one means. 
    None of those debates with Liz mattered. Not because of her. But because it was a half-dozen people yelling at and over each other, most of which had no shot at the nomination. But a one-on-one debate could hold water. I don’t think either Biden or Trump will win the election based on debates, but they could lose votes based off a horrible debate. 
    I suppose a falling down, stumbling debate performance might make a difference.  But in general, it's likability.  The results this week proves that yet again.  Clintons was not better liked than Trump.  Obama was well liked. Bush was, Bill Clinton was... etc.  
    Yes and yes. A falling down, stumbling debate performance is what I’m talking about possibly factoring in. And I agree that likability is a very important thing. That’s what hurt Liz and Bloomberg in the primary, and that’s what’s propelled Joe to where he’s at now. 
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  • dignin
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Can't say I disagree.
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