The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,018
    Sanders was good on Jimmy Fallon just now. Played the hits, but played them well. Kind of preparing to make his last stand. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    My favorite term of the day; Puritopian 

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  • mickeyrat
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    OnWis97 said:
    My favorite term of the day; Puritopian 

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=Puritopian&amp=true
    seems to fit...
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,023
    static111 said:
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,554
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  


    It's not only the fact that Biden is doing extraordinarily well in the delegate count. For which there is no precedent in primary politics of anyone who has accomplished what Biden has

    As we've been saying, the turnout tells the story. Trump won mich by 12k votes. Turnout was up 230k and rising. If 10% of those new voters show up in November who did not vote for Hillary, the election is already over.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    static111 said:
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    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    well, at least you're starting to think
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,023
    Is it now reckless for Sanders to stay in the race, considering each candidate will be driving people to the polls, probably to no end other than the obvious ones?  I mean if he had a 10% chance, then maybe.. but there's no realistic path other than Biden getting the virus.  
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,239
    CM189191 said:
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    well, at least you're starting to think
    Starting to think it might be a good idea to vote Trump so I can enjoy the spectacle of self righteous Dems wringing their hands and crying about what went wrong for 4 more years.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,239
    mrussel1 said:
    Is it now reckless for Sanders to stay in the race, considering each candidate will be driving people to the polls, probably to no end other than the obvious ones?  I mean if he had a 10% chance, then maybe.. but there's no realistic path other than Biden getting the virus.  
    Lerxst1992 said:
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  


    It's not only the fact that Biden is doing extraordinarily well in the delegate count. For which there is no precedent in primary politics of anyone who has accomplished what Biden has

    As we've been saying, the turnout tells the story. Trump won mich by 12k votes. Turnout was up 230k and rising. If 10% of those new voters show up in November who did not vote for Hillary, the election is already over.
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
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    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I wish more people could make well reasoned arguments like these on this thread. It’s much easier to exchange ideas when people are making reasonable statements rather than acting like petulant children and resorting to personal attacks.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,620
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,023
    edited March 2020
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 
    it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden?  It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders.  It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
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    static111 said:
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    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    Boom.

    Put another way, they've chosen to be pragmatic and attack the big, immediate, overwhelming danger first.  Some because they are pragmatic and centrist but others because they're willing to compromise.  Bernie's team?  They're letting great be the enemy of good.*  Biden was probably about my 5th choice (and Bernie was probably about my third).  And I'm compromising and being pragmatic.  And I feel fine about it.

    *even if Biden's not good.  They're letting a revolution be the enemy of preserving the Republic.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
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    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    well, at least you're starting to think
    Starting to think it might be a good idea to vote Trump so I can enjoy the spectacle of self righteous Dems wringing their hands and crying about what went wrong for 4 more years.
    Everything that's is wrong with tRUmp supporters in one succinct sentence.  More interested in screwing over everyone else, than actually making the world a better place.  No concept of obligation to society or personal responsibility.  
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,620
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
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    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 
    it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden?  It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders.  It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters. 
    Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.  
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    JimmyV said:
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    static111 said:
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    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 
    it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden?  It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders.  It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters. 
    Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.  
    Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary.  But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood.  That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such.  He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened.  He hit his ceiling. 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,239
    CM189191 said:
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    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    well, at least you're starting to think
    Starting to think it might be a good idea to vote Trump so I can enjoy the spectacle of self righteous Dems wringing their hands and crying about what went wrong for 4 more years.
    Everything that's is wrong with tRUmp supporters in one succinct sentence.  More interested in screwing over everyone else, than actually making the world a better place.  No concept of obligation to society or personal responsibility.  
    Have fun with your righteous indignation and tears
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,239
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 
    it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden?  It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders.  It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters. 
    Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.  
    Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary.  But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood.  That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such.  He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened.  He hit his ceiling. 
    I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes.  Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,368
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
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    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    well, at least you're starting to think
    Starting to think it might be a good idea to vote Trump so I can enjoy the spectacle of self righteous Dems wringing their hands and crying about what went wrong for 4 more years.
    Everything that's is wrong with tRUmp supporters in one succinct sentence.  More interested in screwing over everyone else, than actually making the world a better place.  No concept of obligation to society or personal responsibility.  
    get it all out now......
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,023
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 
    it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden?  It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders.  It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters. 
    Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.  
    Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary.  But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood.  That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such.  He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened.  He hit his ceiling. 
    I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes.  Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
    I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night.  He understands that we can't alienate those voters.  
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