The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Kat
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    No more snide personal comments at each other, ok? Stick to the topic and not each other. Thank you. Posting Guidelines are stickied on Porch if you need a reminder.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    edited March 2020
    JimmyV said:
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 


    Let's not forget the GOP 2016 hesitation is the only reason trump is president.

    He was barely at 35% and the "normal" republicans combined would have beaten him by 30 points. At the time most GOP pundits were saying for months dont worry when its 1 on 1 we will beat trump.  That never happened. 

    Having the major political parties nominate an extremist because there are fewer extremist candidates is dangerous. 

    I'm hoping most see trump and the toxic divisiveness as proof. Thankfully the dems acted quickly as to not give sanders this unfair advantage.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,620
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 


    Let's not forget the GOP 2016 hesitation is the only reason trump is president.

    He was barely at 35% and the "normal" republicans combined would have beaten him by 30 points. At the time most GOP pundits were saying for months dont worry when its 1 on 1 we will beat trump.  That never happened. 

    Having the major political parties nominate someone because there are fewer extremist candidates is dangerous. 

    I'm hoping most see trump and the toxic divisiveness as proof. Thankfully the dems acted quickly as to not give sanders this unfair advantage.
    I don't disagree, but if the goal is to bring the party together, then let's dispense with the idea that this was of the people, by the people. This was orchestrated. Maybe for the best, but orchestrated nonetheless. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited March 2020
    Biden speaking right now and reminding everyone what a real President sounds like...
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  • static111
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    The Juggler said:
    Biden speaking right now and reminding everyone what a real President sounds like...
    Link?

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  • Ledbetterman10
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    static111 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Biden speaking right now and reminding everyone what a real President sounds like...
    Link?


    The Juggler said:
    Biden speaking right now and reminding everyone what a real President sounds like...
    He’s live on MSNBC
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Jake Tapper Brilliantly Explains Why Biden Might Be A Bad Pick

    https://youtu.be/N7YMnWDuI6I

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JimmyV said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

    read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters. 
    Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
    See? Shaming people does work.
    That was pre shaming.  Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument.  Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November.  At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

    Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
     
    Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

    This election is a referendum on Trump.
    It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
    It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
    It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
    What an inspiring message
    Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
    I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
    I'll say it a different way.  The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice.  Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals.  The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump.  And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight.  Respect the process.  
    I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after. 


    Let's not forget the GOP 2016 hesitation is the only reason trump is president.

    He was barely at 35% and the "normal" republicans combined would have beaten him by 30 points. At the time most GOP pundits were saying for months dont worry when its 1 on 1 we will beat trump.  That never happened. 

    Having the major political parties nominate someone because there are fewer extremist candidates is dangerous. 

    I'm hoping most see trump and the toxic divisiveness as proof. Thankfully the dems acted quickly as to not give sanders this unfair advantage.
    I don't disagree, but if the goal is to bring the party together, then let's dispense with the idea that this was of the people, by the people. This was orchestrated. Maybe for the best, but orchestrated nonetheless. 
    Why didn't/couldn't Amy and Pete's supporters vote for Bernie? How was that "orchestrated?" If Hillary ran a bad campaign, putin on the ritz's interference not withstanding, Bernie has run a worse one.
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  • static111
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    Just tuned in. Definitely clear that he is on a completely different level than Trump.
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  • mrussel1
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    ^I'm sorry.  How is that brilliant?  He made one point, that there wasn't a big enough distinction between Kerry and Bush.  Unfortunately for Jake, that's not true about Trump and Biden.  Sure you could argue there's a bigger POLICY difference between Sanders and Trump, but that doesn't mean there isn't a distinction between Trump and Biden.  I think that is 100% false.  They are completely different men with completely different demeanors, bedside manners, and policies.  
  • The Juggler
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    static111 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Biden speaking right now and reminding everyone what a real President sounds like...
    Link?


    The Juggler said:
    Biden speaking right now and reminding everyone what a real President sounds like...
    He’s live on MSNBC
    Situation sucks...but this kind of stuff helps him. People want to be reassured in times like these. Trump is incapable of doing that. Presents a great contrast for Biden. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    This virus is going to get worse and it’s going to really hurt Trump politically. I thought around New Years that he couldn’t lose. But with this mishandled pandemic response, I think most reasonable undecided voters will have to think that Biden or Sanders would handle it better. 
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  • OnWis97
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    Kat said:
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  • JimmyV
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    OnWis97 said:
    Kat said:
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  • mrussel1
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    This virus is going to get worse and it’s going to really hurt Trump politically. I thought around New Years that he couldn’t lose. But with this mishandled pandemic response, I think most reasonable undecided voters will have to think that Biden or Sanders would handle it better. 
    We had our executive pandemic call a little while ago.  My CEO (who is a Republican and hasn't said much about Trump for three years) was bitching up a storm about how idiotic he came across last night.  
  • Ledbetterman10
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    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    This virus is going to get worse and it’s going to really hurt Trump politically. I thought around New Years that he couldn’t lose. But with this mishandled pandemic response, I think most reasonable undecided voters will have to think that Biden or Sanders would handle it better. 
    We had our executive pandemic call a little while ago.  My CEO (who is a Republican and hasn't said much about Trump for three years) was bitching up a storm about how idiotic he came across last night.  
    Your CEO sounds like the exact type of Republican that Biden is looking to court. And Biden is the exact type of Democrat that a Trump-hating Republican would be willing to vote for. 
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  • mrussel1
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    This virus is going to get worse and it’s going to really hurt Trump politically. I thought around New Years that he couldn’t lose. But with this mishandled pandemic response, I think most reasonable undecided voters will have to think that Biden or Sanders would handle it better. 
    We had our executive pandemic call a little while ago.  My CEO (who is a Republican and hasn't said much about Trump for three years) was bitching up a storm about how idiotic he came across last night.  
    Your CEO sounds like the exact type of Republican that Biden is looking to court. And Biden is the exact type of Democrat that a Trump-hating Republican would be willing to vote for. 
    Well we're in finance and he's from Delaware so I bet he'd be conflicted either way.  One of our mutual friends is neighbors with Biden, so he has good will in my company already.  Joe is adored by his state constituents, that's for sure.  I would see him on trains from DC to Wilmington once in a while.  That's not a myth, he did that, and he was very friendly.  
  • Ledbetterman10
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    Sanders wins California 
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  • benjs
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Sanders wins California 
    And if we weren't all collectively fixated on Covid19, that might've helped him bounce back, but it seems to be a hugely unimportant topic when the two are put side-by-side.
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  • mrussel1
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    benjs said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Sanders wins California 
    And if we weren't all collectively fixated on Covid19, that might've helped him bounce back, but it seems to be a hugely unimportant topic when the two are put side-by-side.
    No, it wouldn't have helped.  He won the state last Tuesday effectively, and it was baked into the narrative already.  
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