The Democratic Presidential Debates
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A very important conclusion from the Times..
"The losses in Michigan and Missouri were especially ominous for Mr. Sanders, because they suggested his strength among rural Midwestern voters in 2016 largely owed to their opposition to Mrs. Clinton. Against Mr. Biden, Mr. Sanders was trounced across the countryside of both states and saw working-class white voters, a pillar of his campaign four years ago, shift markedly away from him."0 -
I'm still nervous about Joe because well he is creepy and sometimes incoherent. But he seems to be getting the voters that hillary didn't and which cost her the election. So it looks ok? For now????mrussel1 said:
There's no data that supports that conclusion. Turnout surged in the states that Biden won. He won in the suburbs, he won with the black community, middle age. He crushed with women and ran even with white men. The demographics support the results. It wasn't the "establishment", it was the Democratic voters.static111 said:
Thank you. Establishment doesn’t see that in their fervor to destroy Bernie they are running another most qualified candidate to beat Trump. I mean just look at the polling data worked in 16. The way I see it is Biden beats Bernie in the primaries but Biden doesn’t have a chance against Trump. i Hope I am wrong but it seems the DNC wants to make the same mistakes but justify themselves through every step this time aroundCM189191 said:
Biden is the most qualified presidential candidate to run since HillaryLedbetterman10 said:
So you refuse to just judge Joe on his own as I asked. Typical. In a vaccum, independent of Trump and everything else, just look at the guy. It's sad to watch. ("SADDER THAN TEAM TRUMP TREASON WATCHING PUTIN ON THE RITZ PEE ON A HOOKER!?!?!") No, independent of Trump, just judging Joe being Joe, it's sad to watch.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmmm, who’s the repub nominee likely to be in 2020? Given the choice I think it’s going to be, Sleepy “Woke” Joe is the better choice. Nor has he “lost it” like you’d like to claim but even if he does or did “lose it,” he’d be the better choice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Come on, man. Get Trump off your mind for the first time in years, and just judge Joe on his own. He can't even remember Obama's name! Watch....Halifax2TheMax said:
You said he “was losing it.” I’m asking you to define “losing it.” There’s a scale of what apparently is acceptable to you and others around here so I want to know what is it specifically that Sleepy “Woke” Joe has said or done that illustrates for you that “he’s losing it.” He referred to an AR15 as an AR14? Oh my god lock him up but let’s give that nuking a hurricane a try? Never been done before and you don’t know until you try.Ledbetterman10 said:
Hahahaha, GREAT argument for Biden, dude. He hasn't lost it as much as Donald Trump. Talk about a low bar.Halifax2TheMax said:
Losing it how? Like asking why we can’t nuke a hurricane? Or drawing his own map of a hurricane’s path and presenting it as fact? Or losing it like tossing paper towels to hurricane survivors? Or losing it by stating that Putin on the ritz told him Russia didn’t interfere in our elections so it must be true? Or losing it by watching a couple of prostitutes peeing on a bed?Ledbetterman10 said:
I don’t think it’s just a party line. That man is losing it. He really is. It’s sad watching him try to talk sometimes. A day or two ago he said he wants to bring us back to the “Obiden/Bama” years. And we all misspeak like that from time to time. But it’s everyday (every few hours really) with Joe. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the GOP or Fox News to harp on this.Halifax2TheMax said:
Right on cue.PJPOWER said:
Senile sounds about right.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would it be dementia?PJPOWER said:
Biden is a gaffe. His dementia is showing.Ledbetterman10 said:
He still has the fighting spirit, I'll give him that. But he still called it an AR-14 instead of an AR-15. I know, simple gaffe that doesn't hurt anyone. But lord, he makes a gaffe every few hours.Lerxst1992 said:"Joe Biden told a factory worker 'you're full of sh--' during a tense argument over guns"
Go get em Joe. Make all the gop liars eat sh--!
To me it sounds like regular old-age senile and/or stress. Not dementia like my grandmother had.
https://apple.news/AKBS48fM5TmKZw9Jq-JDKOA
Comparing Biden to Team Trump Treason is a great argument for Biden to anyone living in reality. Talk about how far some have fallen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtWGRgR5Aw
I mean, like you, I'll vote for him for president over Trump. Hey, if nothing else, he'll be another president that makes George W. Bush look not-so-dumb by comparison.hippiemom = goodness0 -
you misspelled trumpcincybearcat said:
I'm still nervous about Joe because well he is creepy and sometimes incoherent.mrussel1 said:
There's no data that supports that conclusion. Turnout surged in the states that Biden won. He won in the suburbs, he won with the black community, middle age. He crushed with women and ran even with white men. The demographics support the results. It wasn't the "establishment", it was the Democratic voters.static111 said:
Thank you. Establishment doesn’t see that in their fervor to destroy Bernie they are running another most qualified candidate to beat Trump. I mean just look at the polling data worked in 16. The way I see it is Biden beats Bernie in the primaries but Biden doesn’t have a chance against Trump. i Hope I am wrong but it seems the DNC wants to make the same mistakes but justify themselves through every step this time aroundCM189191 said:
Biden is the most qualified presidential candidate to run since HillaryLedbetterman10 said:
So you refuse to just judge Joe on his own as I asked. Typical. In a vaccum, independent of Trump and everything else, just look at the guy. It's sad to watch. ("SADDER THAN TEAM TRUMP TREASON WATCHING PUTIN ON THE RITZ PEE ON A HOOKER!?!?!") No, independent of Trump, just judging Joe being Joe, it's sad to watch.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmmm, who’s the repub nominee likely to be in 2020? Given the choice I think it’s going to be, Sleepy “Woke” Joe is the better choice. Nor has he “lost it” like you’d like to claim but even if he does or did “lose it,” he’d be the better choice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Come on, man. Get Trump off your mind for the first time in years, and just judge Joe on his own. He can't even remember Obama's name! Watch....Halifax2TheMax said:
You said he “was losing it.” I’m asking you to define “losing it.” There’s a scale of what apparently is acceptable to you and others around here so I want to know what is it specifically that Sleepy “Woke” Joe has said or done that illustrates for you that “he’s losing it.” He referred to an AR15 as an AR14? Oh my god lock him up but let’s give that nuking a hurricane a try? Never been done before and you don’t know until you try.Ledbetterman10 said:
Hahahaha, GREAT argument for Biden, dude. He hasn't lost it as much as Donald Trump. Talk about a low bar.Halifax2TheMax said:
Losing it how? Like asking why we can’t nuke a hurricane? Or drawing his own map of a hurricane’s path and presenting it as fact? Or losing it like tossing paper towels to hurricane survivors? Or losing it by stating that Putin on the ritz told him Russia didn’t interfere in our elections so it must be true? Or losing it by watching a couple of prostitutes peeing on a bed?Ledbetterman10 said:
I don’t think it’s just a party line. That man is losing it. He really is. It’s sad watching him try to talk sometimes. A day or two ago he said he wants to bring us back to the “Obiden/Bama” years. And we all misspeak like that from time to time. But it’s everyday (every few hours really) with Joe. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the GOP or Fox News to harp on this.Halifax2TheMax said:
Right on cue.PJPOWER said:
Senile sounds about right.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would it be dementia?PJPOWER said:
Biden is a gaffe. His dementia is showing.Ledbetterman10 said:
He still has the fighting spirit, I'll give him that. But he still called it an AR-14 instead of an AR-15. I know, simple gaffe that doesn't hurt anyone. But lord, he makes a gaffe every few hours.Lerxst1992 said:"Joe Biden told a factory worker 'you're full of sh--' during a tense argument over guns"
Go get em Joe. Make all the gop liars eat sh--!
To me it sounds like regular old-age senile and/or stress. Not dementia like my grandmother had.
https://apple.news/AKBS48fM5TmKZw9Jq-JDKOA
Comparing Biden to Team Trump Treason is a great argument for Biden to anyone living in reality. Talk about how far some have fallen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtWGRgR5Aw
I mean, like you, I'll vote for him for president over Trump. Hey, if nothing else, he'll be another president that makes George W. Bush look not-so-dumb by comparison.0 -
Biden isn't creepy and Barack Obama wasn't a boogieman. We see people as we want to and then we react to them as we want to.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
No I didnt. Cause trump is creepy and always incoherent.CM189191 said:
you misspelled trumpcincybearcat said:
I'm still nervous about Joe because well he is creepy and sometimes incoherent.mrussel1 said:
There's no data that supports that conclusion. Turnout surged in the states that Biden won. He won in the suburbs, he won with the black community, middle age. He crushed with women and ran even with white men. The demographics support the results. It wasn't the "establishment", it was the Democratic voters.static111 said:
Thank you. Establishment doesn’t see that in their fervor to destroy Bernie they are running another most qualified candidate to beat Trump. I mean just look at the polling data worked in 16. The way I see it is Biden beats Bernie in the primaries but Biden doesn’t have a chance against Trump. i Hope I am wrong but it seems the DNC wants to make the same mistakes but justify themselves through every step this time aroundCM189191 said:
Biden is the most qualified presidential candidate to run since HillaryLedbetterman10 said:
So you refuse to just judge Joe on his own as I asked. Typical. In a vaccum, independent of Trump and everything else, just look at the guy. It's sad to watch. ("SADDER THAN TEAM TRUMP TREASON WATCHING PUTIN ON THE RITZ PEE ON A HOOKER!?!?!") No, independent of Trump, just judging Joe being Joe, it's sad to watch.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmmm, who’s the repub nominee likely to be in 2020? Given the choice I think it’s going to be, Sleepy “Woke” Joe is the better choice. Nor has he “lost it” like you’d like to claim but even if he does or did “lose it,” he’d be the better choice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Come on, man. Get Trump off your mind for the first time in years, and just judge Joe on his own. He can't even remember Obama's name! Watch....Halifax2TheMax said:
You said he “was losing it.” I’m asking you to define “losing it.” There’s a scale of what apparently is acceptable to you and others around here so I want to know what is it specifically that Sleepy “Woke” Joe has said or done that illustrates for you that “he’s losing it.” He referred to an AR15 as an AR14? Oh my god lock him up but let’s give that nuking a hurricane a try? Never been done before and you don’t know until you try.Ledbetterman10 said:
Hahahaha, GREAT argument for Biden, dude. He hasn't lost it as much as Donald Trump. Talk about a low bar.Halifax2TheMax said:
Losing it how? Like asking why we can’t nuke a hurricane? Or drawing his own map of a hurricane’s path and presenting it as fact? Or losing it like tossing paper towels to hurricane survivors? Or losing it by stating that Putin on the ritz told him Russia didn’t interfere in our elections so it must be true? Or losing it by watching a couple of prostitutes peeing on a bed?Ledbetterman10 said:
I don’t think it’s just a party line. That man is losing it. He really is. It’s sad watching him try to talk sometimes. A day or two ago he said he wants to bring us back to the “Obiden/Bama” years. And we all misspeak like that from time to time. But it’s everyday (every few hours really) with Joe. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the GOP or Fox News to harp on this.Halifax2TheMax said:
Right on cue.PJPOWER said:
Senile sounds about right.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would it be dementia?PJPOWER said:
Biden is a gaffe. His dementia is showing.Ledbetterman10 said:
He still has the fighting spirit, I'll give him that. But he still called it an AR-14 instead of an AR-15. I know, simple gaffe that doesn't hurt anyone. But lord, he makes a gaffe every few hours.Lerxst1992 said:"Joe Biden told a factory worker 'you're full of sh--' during a tense argument over guns"
Go get em Joe. Make all the gop liars eat sh--!
To me it sounds like regular old-age senile and/or stress. Not dementia like my grandmother had.
https://apple.news/AKBS48fM5TmKZw9Jq-JDKOA
Comparing Biden to Team Trump Treason is a great argument for Biden to anyone living in reality. Talk about how far some have fallen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtWGRgR5Aw
I mean, like you, I'll vote for him for president over Trump. Hey, if nothing else, he'll be another president that makes George W. Bush look not-so-dumb by comparison.hippiemom = goodness0 -
What the hell does obama have to do with any of this? And Biden is a creepy dude for sure. Just not as creepy as trumpJimmyV said:Biden isn't creepy and Barack Obama wasn't a boogieman. We see people as we want to and then we react to them as we want to.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I don't think you can underestimate how poorly HIllary did with white men. Sanders dominated that vote in the primary and Trump in the general. Biden has flipped that switch. It's sexist in my opinion, but I can't change that. The fact of the matter is that Biden's negatives are better than Hillary, Sanders and Trump. That's important.0
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Not saying you think Obama was a boogieman. He just represents a clear example of people seeing what they want to and reacting accordingly. Biden is old and his communication skills might be slipping. But to call him creepy is a projection. It's just not there.cincybearcat said:
What the hell does obama have to do with any of this? And Biden is a creepy dude for sure. Just not as creepy as trumpJimmyV said:Biden isn't creepy and Barack Obama wasn't a boogieman. We see people as we want to and then we react to them as we want to.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
How do you feel about Biden stating outright that he would only be a one term president? I personally think there is a lot of upside there.mrussel1 said:I don't think you can underestimate how poorly HIllary did with white men. Sanders dominated that vote in the primary and Trump in the general. Biden has flipped that switch. It's sexist in my opinion, but I can't change that. The fact of the matter is that Biden's negatives are better than Hillary, Sanders and Trump. That's important.0 -
I think it's the practical reality of the situation. My guess is they will be polling that question or concerns about his age and let that inform the decision. I confess to not knowing what the right strategy is here. But I think he should only do one term.dignin said:
How do you feel about Biden stating outright that he would only be a one term president? I personally think there is a lot of upside there.mrussel1 said:I don't think you can underestimate how poorly HIllary did with white men. Sanders dominated that vote in the primary and Trump in the general. Biden has flipped that switch. It's sexist in my opinion, but I can't change that. The fact of the matter is that Biden's negatives are better than Hillary, Sanders and Trump. That's important.0 -
Is there another case in American history of a candidate doing this?mrussel1 said:
I think it's the practical reality of the situation. My guess is they will be polling that question or concerns about his age and let that inform the decision. I confess to not knowing what the right strategy is here. But I think he should only do one term.dignin said:
How do you feel about Biden stating outright that he would only be a one term president? I personally think there is a lot of upside there.mrussel1 said:I don't think you can underestimate how poorly HIllary did with white men. Sanders dominated that vote in the primary and Trump in the general. Biden has flipped that switch. It's sexist in my opinion, but I can't change that. The fact of the matter is that Biden's negatives are better than Hillary, Sanders and Trump. That's important.
I don't know if it's the smart thing do do either, but it could also be brilliant for all I know.0 -
Announcing he would only serve one term would have Democrats soft launching campaigns to be next on Day 1.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
Bernie would be first. Haha.JimmyV said:Announcing he would only serve one term would have Democrats soft launching campaigns to be next on Day 1."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Clip clop?CM189191 said:
you misspelled trumpcincybearcat said:
I'm still nervous about Joe because well he is creepy and sometimes incoherent.mrussel1 said:
There's no data that supports that conclusion. Turnout surged in the states that Biden won. He won in the suburbs, he won with the black community, middle age. He crushed with women and ran even with white men. The demographics support the results. It wasn't the "establishment", it was the Democratic voters.static111 said:
Thank you. Establishment doesn’t see that in their fervor to destroy Bernie they are running another most qualified candidate to beat Trump. I mean just look at the polling data worked in 16. The way I see it is Biden beats Bernie in the primaries but Biden doesn’t have a chance against Trump. i Hope I am wrong but it seems the DNC wants to make the same mistakes but justify themselves through every step this time aroundCM189191 said:
Biden is the most qualified presidential candidate to run since HillaryLedbetterman10 said:
So you refuse to just judge Joe on his own as I asked. Typical. In a vaccum, independent of Trump and everything else, just look at the guy. It's sad to watch. ("SADDER THAN TEAM TRUMP TREASON WATCHING PUTIN ON THE RITZ PEE ON A HOOKER!?!?!") No, independent of Trump, just judging Joe being Joe, it's sad to watch.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmmm, who’s the repub nominee likely to be in 2020? Given the choice I think it’s going to be, Sleepy “Woke” Joe is the better choice. Nor has he “lost it” like you’d like to claim but even if he does or did “lose it,” he’d be the better choice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Come on, man. Get Trump off your mind for the first time in years, and just judge Joe on his own. He can't even remember Obama's name! Watch....Halifax2TheMax said:
You said he “was losing it.” I’m asking you to define “losing it.” There’s a scale of what apparently is acceptable to you and others around here so I want to know what is it specifically that Sleepy “Woke” Joe has said or done that illustrates for you that “he’s losing it.” He referred to an AR15 as an AR14? Oh my god lock him up but let’s give that nuking a hurricane a try? Never been done before and you don’t know until you try.Ledbetterman10 said:
Hahahaha, GREAT argument for Biden, dude. He hasn't lost it as much as Donald Trump. Talk about a low bar.Halifax2TheMax said:
Losing it how? Like asking why we can’t nuke a hurricane? Or drawing his own map of a hurricane’s path and presenting it as fact? Or losing it like tossing paper towels to hurricane survivors? Or losing it by stating that Putin on the ritz told him Russia didn’t interfere in our elections so it must be true? Or losing it by watching a couple of prostitutes peeing on a bed?Ledbetterman10 said:
I don’t think it’s just a party line. That man is losing it. He really is. It’s sad watching him try to talk sometimes. A day or two ago he said he wants to bring us back to the “Obiden/Bama” years. And we all misspeak like that from time to time. But it’s everyday (every few hours really) with Joe. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the GOP or Fox News to harp on this.Halifax2TheMax said:
Right on cue.PJPOWER said:
Senile sounds about right.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would it be dementia?PJPOWER said:
Biden is a gaffe. His dementia is showing.Ledbetterman10 said:
He still has the fighting spirit, I'll give him that. But he still called it an AR-14 instead of an AR-15. I know, simple gaffe that doesn't hurt anyone. But lord, he makes a gaffe every few hours.Lerxst1992 said:"Joe Biden told a factory worker 'you're full of sh--' during a tense argument over guns"
Go get em Joe. Make all the gop liars eat sh--!
To me it sounds like regular old-age senile and/or stress. Not dementia like my grandmother had.
https://apple.news/AKBS48fM5TmKZw9Jq-JDKOA
Comparing Biden to Team Trump Treason is a great argument for Biden to anyone living in reality. Talk about how far some have fallen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtWGRgR5Aw
I mean, like you, I'll vote for him for president over Trump. Hey, if nothing else, he'll be another president that makes George W. Bush look not-so-dumb by comparison.0 -
This is true.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Bernie would be first. Haha.JimmyV said:Announcing he would only serve one term would have Democrats soft launching campaigns to be next on Day 1.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
Maybe nothing, but I am in the camp that this all takes too long already. And that said, just because Democrats might do that doesn't necessarily mean Biden shouldn't make a one-term pledge. It's just a likely side effect that instantly came to mind.dignin said:
What's wrong with that?JimmyV said:Announcing he would only serve one term would have Democrats soft launching campaigns to be next on Day 1.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
No doubt, neverending elections in the US are a pain in the ass.JimmyV said:
Maybe nothing, but I am in the camp that this all takes too long already. And that said, just because Democrats might do that doesn't necessarily mean Biden shouldn't make a one-term pledge. It's just a likely side effect that instantly came to mind.dignin said:
What's wrong with that?JimmyV said:Announcing he would only serve one term would have Democrats soft launching campaigns to be next on Day 1.
Im of the opinion to do whatever it takes to win in November and deal with the fallout after that.0 -
Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?0
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