The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    pjl44 said:
    Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?
    With a strong VP, and knowing that people vote for Biden to "bring back normal" and not because they are heads over heels. Maybe it could be a strength with a two person team...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    dignin said:
    JimmyV said:
    dignin said:
    JimmyV said:
    Announcing he would only serve one term would have Democrats soft launching campaigns to be next on Day 1. 
    What's wrong with that? 
    Maybe nothing, but I am in the camp that this all takes too long already. And that said, just because Democrats might do that doesn't necessarily mean Biden shouldn't make a one-term pledge. It's just a likely side effect that instantly came to mind. 
    No doubt, neverending elections in the US are a pain in the ass.
    Im of the opinion to do whatever it takes to win in November and deal with the fallout after that. 
    I can't argue that strategy. Whatever it takes. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjl44 said:
    Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?
    With a strong VP, and knowing that people vote for Biden to "bring back normal" and not because they are heads over heels. Maybe it could be a strength with a two person team...
    Everyone is bringing up good points, pro and con.  That's why Jimmy is right, it's a complicated question and uncharted territory.  I don't recall any president who ever made such a pledge.  
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjl44 said:
    Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?
    With a strong VP, and knowing that people vote for Biden to "bring back normal" and not because they are heads over heels. Maybe it could be a strength with a two person team...
    But I think he can do all that anyway without a one term pledge
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?
    Agreed.  A pledge like this would be self-defeating.  Even if it's made after winning the election it would make Biden essentially lame duck.  

    Biden can acknowledge the health concerns by running a VP who would be immediately qualified to take the Presidency if anything were to happen coughamycough Then Biden can wait until 2024 to announce he's stepping aside and endorsing Amy/Pete.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited March 2020
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjl44 said:
    Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?
    With a strong VP, and knowing that people vote for Biden to "bring back normal" and not because they are heads over heels. Maybe it could be a strength with a two person team...
    But I think he can do all that anyway without a one term pledge
    yeah I guess. 

    And I doubt anyone would campaign on the promise of just one term. Even if Biden and his team are set on one term being realistic.

    And everybody who thinks that Biden is a bit slower than before (perhaps a bit 77 year old senile) will take the VP into account anyways. 

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?
    Agreed.  A pledge like this would be self-defeating.  Even if it's made after winning the election it would make Biden essentially lame duck.  

    Biden can acknowledge the health concerns by running a VP who would be immediately qualified to take the Presidency if anything were to happen coughamycough Then Biden can wait until 2024 to announce he's stepping aside and endorsing Amy/Pete.  
    Yeah, right, let the voters connect those dots if they must
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    pjl44 said:
    Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?
    Possibly, and good points.

    I think running as a one term would possibly satisfy the more progressive Democrats and even moderate on the fence Republicans. Knowing they will be back and start with a fresh slate in 4 years.

    There is upside there. Is it enough to weigh out the cons though.

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    Isn't pledging one term acknowledging your fragility? If he isn't up to a 2024 run, why not make that decision then? Doesn't all that run counter to the notion that he is perfectly fine mentally and physically?
    Possibly, and good points.

    I think running as a one term would possibly satisfy the more progressive Democrats and even moderate on the fence Republicans. Knowing they will be back and start with a fresh slate in 4 years.

    There is upside there. Is it enough to weigh out the cons though.

    Biden would have to announce it after the first year in office though, to give his fellow Democrats appropriate time to ramp up the modern day campaign machine.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,856
    Sanders 1pm presser from VT

    Better be to endorse biden.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Sanders 1pm presser from VT

    Better be to endorse biden.
    Sounds like a concession to me.  Why else to be in VT?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,385
    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Sanders 1pm presser from VT

    Better be to endorse biden.
    Sounds like a concession to me.  Why else to be in VT?
    canceled events in ohio and likely elsewhere due to the virus.

    where else would he go?
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  • Lerxst1992
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    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Sanders 1pm presser from VT

    Better be to endorse biden.
    Sounds like a concession to me.  Why else to be in VT?

    I heard last night he flew to VT.

    Could be to announce no more rallies til the virus cases come down. But how does he come back with no campaigning?

    Seems like it's over, even on reddit.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Nothing beats Vermont during a pandemic. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    I wonder, if Bernie drops out now, and the DNC has announced there's no audience at the upcoming primary debate - does Biden just get on the stage and ramble about corn pop and Obama for an hour? Jokes aside, I hope Sanders is about to concede. 
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  • static111
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    benjs said:
    I wonder, if Bernie drops out now, and the DNC has announced there's no audience at the upcoming primary debate - does Biden just get on the stage and ramble about corn pop and Obama for an hour? Jokes aside, I hope Sanders is about to concede. 
    Lol
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    Bernies not dropping out
    Not yet
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,074
    I’m a Bernie supporter and I sincerely hope he drops out.  At this point the best that we can do is do what it takes to have some solidarity behind beating Trump
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,385
    static111 said:
    I’m a Bernie supporter and I sincerely hope he drops out.  At this point the best that we can do is do what it takes to have some solidarity behind beating Trump
    thank you.

    are you in touch with other supporters? have any sense where they stand in relation to what you just said?
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,856
    Bernies still in it to win it.
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