The Democratic Presidential Debates

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So South Carolina is on Saturday.  Wasn't there suppose to be a debate before that too?

It's tomorrow night. 

No pods needed to be lined up for work on Wednesday then. Cool.

STEYER IS BACK! 

You're wise to be excited about that. Any of these "no chance in hell" candidates that stick around probably benefit your boy Bernie by taking votes away from the likes of Biden and Bloomberg. 

You should be happy. It will make you win in November.

I'm not even running. 

And I don't have a boy.

But by saying "it will make you win in November," you're suggesting that I'm a Trump fan, which I'm not. You very, very much seem to be a big fan of Bernie Sanders, as evidenced by all your posts over the past few pages. That's why I referred to him as your boy, as in someone you're a fan of and/or admire. 

Your buddy Bernie will crush Trump in November. Because empathy and common sense will prevail.

Well I don’t know about that but I am one of the people that think Sanders could possibly beat Trump. Too many people think he’s hopeless and think Bloomberg would have a better chance. Neither would have a good chance in my opinion. But at least some people (like you!) are excited about Sanders. Not much excitement surrounding the other Dems. 

Bloomberg won't get people excited. Biden won't either. Just some tired relief. And I think that tiredness will affect turnout,

I think: Sanders, Warren and Pete are the ones that will have a running hype start if they are the winner

I think the whole "moderates will stay home if Sanders THE COMMIE is elected" is more wrong than right.

And I'm an expert on US politics. 

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Spiritual_Chaos said:

So South Carolina is on Saturday.  Wasn't there suppose to be a debate before that too?

It's tomorrow night. 

No pods needed to be lined up for work on Wednesday then. Cool.

STEYER IS BACK! 

You're wise to be excited about that. Any of these "no chance in hell" candidates that stick around probably benefit your boy Bernie by taking votes away from the likes of Biden and Bloomberg. 

You should be happy. It will make you win in November.

I'm not even running. 

And I don't have a boy.

But by saying "it will make you win in November," you're suggesting that I'm a Trump fan, which I'm not. You very, very much seem to be a big fan of Bernie Sanders, as evidenced by all your posts over the past few pages. That's why I referred to him as your boy, as in someone you're a fan of and/or admire. 

Your buddy Bernie will crush Trump in November. Because empathy and common sense will prevail.

Well I don’t know about that but I am one of the people that think Sanders could possibly beat Trump. Too many people think he’s hopeless and think Bloomberg would have a better chance. Neither would have a good chance in my opinion. But at least some people (like you!) are excited about Sanders. Not much excitement surrounding the other Dems. 

Bloomberg won't get people excited. Biden won't either. Just some tired relief. And I think that tiredness will affect turnout,

I think: Sanders, Warren and Pete are the ones that will have a running hype start if they are the winner

I think the whole "moderates will stay home if Sanders THE COMMIE is elected" is more wrong than right.

And I'm an expert on US politics. 

Pete and Warren don't stand a chance of being the nominee (both could be good VPs though, Pete kinda looks like VP). Neither will ever get as many delegates as Sanders, and if it goes to a brokered convention, neither would get the nod by the superdelegates over Biden or Bloomberg. Because THEY, the DNC are the TRUE experts on U.S. politics.  

One problem with Sanders (or strength, depending on your point of view) is he seems a bit unwilling to compromise. These are his views, they've been his views for decades, he's sticking by them. That's commendable to a degree, from a morality standpoint. But in a general election, a candidate has to move a bit to the middle for the undecided or independent voters. Every candidate. Obama, who was considered far-left at the time, had to do it just like all the others. Will Sanders (if he's the nominee) be willing to do that? Trump vs. Sanders can't be perceived as capitalism vs. socialism because Sanders wouldn't have a chance. But if it's perceived as Trump vs. Sanders as people, and as leaders, maybe Bernie could pull it off. Maybe....

ecdanc said:

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Spiritual_Chaos said:

So South Carolina is on Saturday.  Wasn't there suppose to be a debate before that too?

It's tomorrow night. 

No pods needed to be lined up for work on Wednesday then. Cool.

STEYER IS BACK! 

You're wise to be excited about that. Any of these "no chance in hell" candidates that stick around probably benefit your boy Bernie by taking votes away from the likes of Biden and Bloomberg. 

You should be happy. It will make you win in November.

I'm not even running. 

And I don't have a boy.

But by saying "it will make you win in November," you're suggesting that I'm a Trump fan, which I'm not. You very, very much seem to be a big fan of Bernie Sanders, as evidenced by all your posts over the past few pages. That's why I referred to him as your boy, as in someone you're a fan of and/or admire. 

Your buddy Bernie will crush Trump in November. Because empathy and common sense will prevail.

Well I don’t know about that but I am one of the people that think Sanders could possibly beat Trump. Too many people think he’s hopeless and think Bloomberg would have a better chance. Neither would have a good chance in my opinion. But at least some people (like you!) are excited about Sanders. Not much excitement surrounding the other Dems. 

Bloomberg won't get people excited. Biden won't either. Just some tired relief. And I think that tiredness will affect turnout,

I think: Sanders, Warren and Pete are the ones that will have a running hype start if they are the winner

I think the whole "moderates will stay home if Sanders THE COMMIE is elected" is more wrong than right.

And I'm an expert on US politics. 

Pete and Warren don't stand a chance of being the nominee (both could be good VPs though, Pete kinda looks like VP). Neither will ever get as many delegates as Sanders, and if it goes to a brokered convention, neither would get the nod by the superdelegates over Biden or Bloomberg. Because THEY, the DNC are the TRUE experts on U.S. politics.  

One problem with Sanders (or strength, depending on your point of view) is he seems a bit unwilling to compromise. These are his views, they've been his views for decades, he's sticking by them. That's commendable to a degree, from a morality standpoint. But in a general election, a candidate has to move a bit to the middle for the undecided or independent voters. Every candidate. Obama, who was considered far-left at the time, had to do it just like all the others. Will Sanders (if he's the nominee) be willing to do that? Trump vs. Sanders can't be perceived as capitalism vs. socialism because Sanders wouldn't have a chance. But if it's perceived as Trump vs. Sanders as people, and as leaders, maybe Bernie could pull it off. Maybe....

It's hard to tell on here sometimes, but please tell me you meant this as a joke. 

Of course it’s a joke. Surprised you even had to ask.  

ecdanc said:

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Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So South Carolina is on Saturday.  Wasn't there suppose to be a debate before that too?

It's tomorrow night. 

No pods needed to be lined up for work on Wednesday then. Cool.

STEYER IS BACK! 

You're wise to be excited about that. Any of these "no chance in hell" candidates that stick around probably benefit your boy Bernie by taking votes away from the likes of Biden and Bloomberg. 

You should be happy. It will make you win in November.

I'm not even running. 

And I don't have a boy.

But by saying "it will make you win in November," you're suggesting that I'm a Trump fan, which I'm not. You very, very much seem to be a big fan of Bernie Sanders, as evidenced by all your posts over the past few pages. That's why I referred to him as your boy, as in someone you're a fan of and/or admire. 

Your buddy Bernie will crush Trump in November. Because empathy and common sense will prevail.

Well I don’t know about that but I am one of the people that think Sanders could possibly beat Trump. Too many people think he’s hopeless and think Bloomberg would have a better chance. Neither would have a good chance in my opinion. But at least some people (like you!) are excited about Sanders. Not much excitement surrounding the other Dems. 

Bloomberg won't get people excited. Biden won't either. Just some tired relief. And I think that tiredness will affect turnout,

I think: Sanders, Warren and Pete are the ones that will have a running hype start if they are the winner

I think the whole "moderates will stay home if Sanders THE COMMIE is elected" is more wrong than right.

And I'm an expert on US politics. 

Pete and Warren don't stand a chance of being the nominee (both could be good VPs though, Pete kinda looks like VP). Neither will ever get as many delegates as Sanders, and if it goes to a brokered convention, neither would get the nod by the superdelegates over Biden or Bloomberg. Because THEY, the DNC are the TRUE experts on U.S. politics.  

One problem with Sanders (or strength, depending on your point of view) is he seems a bit unwilling to compromise. These are his views, they've been his views for decades, he's sticking by them. That's commendable to a degree, from a morality standpoint. But in a general election, a candidate has to move a bit to the middle for the undecided or independent voters. Every candidate. Obama, who was considered far-left at the time, had to do it just like all the others. Will Sanders (if he's the nominee) be willing to do that? Trump vs. Sanders can't be perceived as capitalism vs. socialism because Sanders wouldn't have a chance. But if it's perceived as Trump vs. Sanders as people, and as leaders, maybe Bernie could pull it off. Maybe....

It's hard to tell on here sometimes, but please tell me you meant this as a joke. 

Of course it’s a joke. Surprised you even had to ask.  

Hey, I like to be sure! This board has some very hot takes at times. 

Well that's true. 

@mrussel1 check out the 586 polling site and do a search for VA 2020. They have VA going to Trump by a few points no matter who he's up against.

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@mrussel1 check out the 586 polling site and do a search for VA 2020. They have VA going to Trump by a few points no matter who he's up against.

I don't see it.  I assume you mean 538. The most recent look is from a few days ago and every D wins. 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

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Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So South Carolina is on Saturday.  Wasn't there suppose to be a debate before that too?

It's tomorrow night. 

No pods needed to be lined up for work on Wednesday then. Cool.

STEYER IS BACK! 

You're wise to be excited about that. Any of these "no chance in hell" candidates that stick around probably benefit your boy Bernie by taking votes away from the likes of Biden and Bloomberg. 

You should be happy. It will make you win in November.

I'm not even running. 

And I don't have a boy.

But by saying "it will make you win in November," you're suggesting that I'm a Trump fan, which I'm not. You very, very much seem to be a big fan of Bernie Sanders, as evidenced by all your posts over the past few pages. That's why I referred to him as your boy, as in someone you're a fan of and/or admire. 

Your buddy Bernie will crush Trump in November. Because empathy and common sense will prevail.

Well I don’t know about that but I am one of the people that think Sanders could possibly beat Trump. Too many people think he’s hopeless and think Bloomberg would have a better chance. Neither would have a good chance in my opinion. But at least some people (like you!) are excited about Sanders. Not much excitement surrounding the other Dems. 

Bloomberg won't get people excited. Biden won't either. Just some tired relief. And I think that tiredness will affect turnout,

I think: Sanders, Warren and Pete are the ones that will have a running hype start if they are the winner

I think the whole "moderates will stay home if Sanders THE COMMIE is elected" is more wrong than right.

And I'm an expert on US politics. 

Pete and Warren don't stand a chance of being the nominee (both could be good VPs though, Pete kinda looks like VP). Neither will ever get as many delegates as Sanders, and if it goes to a brokered convention, neither would get the nod by the superdelegates over Biden or Bloomberg. Because THEY, the DNC are the TRUE experts on U.S. politics.  

One problem with Sanders (or strength, depending on your point of view) is he seems a bit unwilling to compromise. These are his views, they've been his views for decades, he's sticking by them. That's commendable to a degree, from a morality standpoint. But in a general election, a candidate has to move a bit to the middle for the undecided or independent voters. Every candidate. Obama, who was considered far-left at the time, had to do it just like all the others. Will Sanders (if he's the nominee) be willing to do that? Trump vs. Sanders can't be perceived as capitalism vs. socialism because Sanders wouldn't have a chance. But if it's perceived as Trump vs. Sanders as people, and as leaders, maybe Bernie could pull it off. Maybe....

Yeah. That is def one of Sanders problems. There is an old-man stubbornness there. And i get his frustration, living in a very walled of country while he has peeked over that wall and see that social democracy is "better" (I put that in quotation marks to not come of as stubborn) and a given.

But I also think that is a brand issue for his advisers etc - Let Bernie be Bernie with the shown strengths it has or risk to have him wimper away if he suddenly start to become something not-Bernie. 

I would be very curious to see Bernies VP pick. If it would be a moderate to cover new voting-ground or a close ally -a mirror of the boy himself.

Yeah that's probably true. "Bernie being Bernie" is what got him this far in the first place. 

I know it sounds strange because he's already served the position, but Biden would be the perfect running-mate for Sanders, for many of the same reasons that he was perfect running-mate for Obama: just a moderate politician that's been around forever and has shown an ability to work with both democrats and republicans.

But another Biden for VP run seems unrealistic. One thing for Buttigieg, I contend he just LOOKS like a vice-president. If you time-warped 1989 Dan Quayle to the present, stood him beside Buttigieg, and asked someone who wasn't familiar with either of them "Which one of these two do you think is the Vice-President?," I think you'd get varying answers. 

As for the other Dems that are still in the race, I think Warren is too close to him politically, I'm not sure Pete would move the needle much, and I doubt Klobuchar would move the needle at all. Maybe Cory Booker would be a good option? I don't know, it's tough to forecast. 

So is Yang proxy-endorsing? What do you think @brianlux

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1231770716120535040?s=20