The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mrussel1
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    Why does Chuck Todd shake and stutter of irritation whenever he covers Bernie Sanders? He even interrupts pundits to point out false things about the man. I get that it's cable news and there are no rules and regulations. But what the hell. 
    I like you, so I'm going to help you out here.  These are not apple to apple comparisons.  The chart on the left are ACTUAL voting results.  This means 100% accurate for who has voted.  The one on the left is polling, which uses statistical analysis and allows undecideds.  You don't have undecideds after voting.  So the comparison is useless.  Second, did you point out the "likes" as if that's relevant to accuracy, or was it the twit?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    Why does Chuck Todd shake and stutter of irritation whenever he covers Bernie Sanders? He even interrupts pundits to point out false things about the man. I get that it's cable news and there are no rules and regulations. But what the hell. 
    I like you, so I'm going to help you out here.  These are not apple to apple comparisons.  The chart on the left are ACTUAL voting results.  This means 100% accurate for who has voted.  The one on the left is polling, which uses statistical analysis and allows undecideds.  You don't have undecideds after voting.  So the comparison is useless.  Second, did you point out the "likes" as if that's relevant to accuracy, or was it the twit?
    I just posted the tweet. That had both the images in it. I don't know how to link a "string of tweets" on here.

    If you ask me if I drew the circles and arrows, then... You can't draw on a tweet. i would have to screenshot it and draw on it. And then it would be an image, and not a linked tweet...
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    The Swedish Social Democrats is such an embarrassing party




    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Bernie is as overpowered as Metal Man in Mega Man 2.


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    MLK & Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump | “Revolution of Values”

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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Woot, woot!

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  • mrussel1
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    Ugh
  • Lerxst1992
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Bernie is as overpowered as Metal Man in Mega Man 2.



    That’s a series of hypothetical head to head polls . IMO if respondents are being asked to give up on their preferred choice, there is a good chance they will pick the front runner, so “their vote matters most.” But that’s not the way it works IRL. Bernies gains in national polling can be directly correlated to Warrens decline. Is it coincidence that they were the only M4A candidates getting any attention in the polls?
  • brianlux
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    I seldom watch TV but did for a while today.  The media and money influence on election as seen on TV is a joke.  After a while, I'd had enough and turn the damned thing off.  Man, oh man, what a crock.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    David Crosby, who has been feuding with his CSNY band mates, addressed the possibility of a reunion in the penultimate installment of Osiris’ Freak Flag Flying podcast. “If Neil (Young) calls me up and says ‘listen, we’ve got to do some gigs … now that Elizabeth Warren is our candidate we’ve got to do some gigs for her in battleground states, what do you think?’ I’d say ‘what time does the bus leave?,’” David noted. “I’d work it out, I don’t care if [Graham] Nash likes me or not. The purpose would exceed all of that.”

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  • Ledbetterman10
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    I wish Sanders’ platform was more feasible. He kills it at these town halls and (to me) is the most likable of the bunch. And I do think he has the people’s best interest in mind. But man, that damn socialism tag...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I wish Sanders’ platform was more feasible. He kills it at these town halls and (to me) is the most likable of the bunch. And I do think he has the people’s best interest in mind. But man, that damn socialism tag...
    Promising M4A phased in over 4 years and 10 million new housing units to implement national rent control will do that. When Team Trump Treason gets re-elected, who will the Berniebrosises turn to in 2024? AOC?
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  • brianlux
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I wish Sanders’ platform was more feasible. He kills it at these town halls and (to me) is the most likable of the bunch. And I do think he has the people’s best interest in mind. But man, that damn socialism tag...

    I like Bernie as well but what you said, that's why I think Klobuchar is a better choice this time around.  She is more moderate and has a better chance of beating Trump.  If Bernie gets the nomination, I will, of course, vote for him, but I will be very nervous about the outcome.
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  • mickeyrat
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    and hes not even a Dem..... Bernie requesting a recount.....

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  • Ledbetterman10
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    edited February 2020
    If nothing else, Sanders vs. Trump would be amazing political theatre. And while Trump would be the favorite, I wouldn’t say Bernie has zero chance if it’s down to just the two of them. Over the course of a campaign, people that are scared of Sanders’ platform might just concede “Hey, I like this guy more than I like Trump.” It’s possible. That’s what hurt the likes of Hillary, Romney, and Kerry. Just being unlikeable. Trump’s unlikeable too, so he was lucky to go up against Hillary. But here, with just Trump and Sanders, and with what will likely be the largest voter turnout ever, I dunno, enough places in Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. might flip. If President Donald Trump can happen, anything can. 

    And it’s not like we would be electing Sanders king lol. People think he’s going to turn us into the USSR or something. Please. He’d serve for four years, he’d be blocked by congress at every turn, and then he’d retire or die, his legacy being returning the country to some semblance of normalcy.  
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  • mrussel1
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    If nothing else, Sanders vs. Trump would be amazing political theatre. And while Trump would be the favorite, I wouldn’t say Bernie has zero chance if it’s down to just the two of them. Over the course of a campaign, people that are scared of Sanders’ platform might just concede “Hey, I like this guy more than I like Trump.” It’s possible. That’s what hurt the likes of Hillary, Romney, and Kerry. Just being unlikeable. Trump’s unlikeable too, so he was lucky to go up against Hillary. But here, with just Trump and Sanders, and with what will likely be the largest voter turnout ever, I dunno, enough places in Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. might flip. If President Donald Trump can happen, anything can. 

    And it’s not like we would be electing Sanders king lol. People think he’s going to turn us into the USSR or something. Please. He’d serve for four years, he’d be blocked by congress at every turn, and then he’d retire or die, his legacy being returning the country to some semblance of normalcy.  
    I hope you are right.  He just has to emphasize his connection to Rosevelt policies.  Drawing favorable comparisons to FDR and not pushing M4A.
  • brianlux
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    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    If nothing else, Sanders vs. Trump would be amazing political theatre. And while Trump would be the favorite, I wouldn’t say Bernie has zero chance if it’s down to just the two of them. Over the course of a campaign, people that are scared of Sanders’ platform might just concede “Hey, I like this guy more than I like Trump.” It’s possible. That’s what hurt the likes of Hillary, Romney, and Kerry. Just being unlikeable. Trump’s unlikeable too, so he was lucky to go up against Hillary. But here, with just Trump and Sanders, and with what will likely be the largest voter turnout ever, I dunno, enough places in Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. might flip. If President Donald Trump can happen, anything can. 

    And it’s not like we would be electing Sanders king lol. People think he’s going to turn us into the USSR or something. Please. He’d serve for four years, he’d be blocked by congress at every turn, and then he’d retire or die, his legacy being returning the country to some semblance of normalcy.  
    I hope you are right.  He just has to emphasize his connection to Rosevelt policies.  Drawing favorable comparisons to FDR and not pushing M4A.

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  • lindamarie73
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    David Crosby, who has been feuding with his CSNY band mates, addressed the possibility of a reunion in the penultimate installment of Osiris’ Freak Flag Flying podcast. “If Neil (Young) calls me up and says ‘listen, we’ve got to do some gigs … now that Elizabeth Warren is our candidate we’ve got to do some gigs for her in battleground states, what do you think?’ I’d say ‘what time does the bus leave?,’” David noted. “I’d work it out, I don’t care if [Graham] Nash likes me or not. The purpose would exceed all of that.”

    “Comes a time when we all have to set aside our differences for the common good. I believe CSNY have a role to play in saving the country we love. Your support of the Democratic candidate for president would help unite us. Save our country,” wrote a NYA subscriber. “For the common good! Anything is possible,”

    Great idea, it sure worked for well for Hillary having all sorts of musicians campaign for her 2016....The BOSS, Jon Bon Jovi, Beyoncé and Jazi, Lady Gaga, J-Lo, to name a few off the top of my head.   Oh these Democrats are the gift that keeps on giving.  They will never learn that most people go to concerts for a release on their complicated lives for a few hours, not be lectured by out of touch wealthy artists.... I am sure EV will have plenty to say in coming months unfortunately for those who just want to Rock!!!   
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