The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,412
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 


    Of all the banal things you could pick, forgetting a person's name (yes, even for a foreign leader) is exactly the sort of top-grade bullshit that shouldn't have any bearing in determining who the next POTUS is. After debates, a POTUS reserves the right to set the context of what they choose to talk about, when, how, and they have the option of a script if they're giving press briefings (remember those?).

    POTUSes themselves are extensively briefed about that topic (as opposed to 'all' before these debates) to prevent such gaffes.
    I would not call this specific "gaffe" "banal".

    And boiling it down to "who cares", they will get briefed on the name of the leader of their neighbouring country is... yeah....
    Then we disagree, and I'm fine with that.

    Some fear a President who doesn't know the Mexican President's name by heart. Others fear a President whose unwillingness to compromise, and whose policies are opposed by a majority of Senators, lead to no positive change being created. Guess we all have different priorities or predictions of what happens next.
    Yes.

    And, get some more Social Democrats/Democratic socialists/levelheaded people elected into the senate and the house and you don't have to worry so much.
    would help if there was an actual party to run under instead of hijacking a party you are only a member of to run for president .... but it seems SD's are afraid of the hard work in that..  .
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,412
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    pretty sure any of the Ds would...
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,529
    If I had a preferred candidate and they didn't know a foreign leader's name on the spot, it wouldn't make any difference to me. People use stuff like this to disingenuously slag candidates they don't like.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    They are dumb/shallow questions that measure nothing.  My six year old son can correctly identify 90/95% of the countries in the world, does that make him a better candidate?  They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy or trying to win a geography bee.  

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,812
    edited February 2020
    Your six year old son sounds very bright.  (He's almost old enough to run for leadership in Finland (put Sweden incorrectly, first))

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited February 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    They are dumb/shallow questions that measure nothing.  My six year old son can correctly identify 90/95% of the countries in the world, does that make him a better candidate?  They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy or trying to win a geography bee.  

    Says someone who would proudly vote for Trump over Bernie. Should be mentioned. For context.

    Not knowing basic shit concerning the job doesn't seem to be a problem for you.

    I say it is a very specific question. And the answer  shows something very specific also. Knowing the name of the President of your biggest trade partner and neighbouring country (because "They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy") =/= knowing "90/95% of the countries in the world".

    And I would believe most people would have Amy be president of the USA over your son. Moot in the context of this specific answer and the answer to it though.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    They are dumb/shallow questions that measure nothing.  My six year old son can correctly identify 90/95% of the countries in the world, does that make him a better candidate?  They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy or trying to win a geography bee.  

    Says someone who would proudly vote for Trump over Bernie. Should be mentioned. For context.

    Not knowing basic shit concerning the job doesn't seem to be a problem for you.

    I say it is a very specific question. And the answer  shows something very specific also. Knowing the name of the President of your biggest trade partner and neighbouring country (because "They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy") =/= knowing "90/95% of the countries in the world".

    And I would believe most people would have Amy be president of the USA over your son. Moot in the context of this specific answer and the answer to it though.
    You really are an idiot, I don’t even know why I engage with you.  You seriously can’t have a rationale conversation. Go troll someone else. I m done here.   
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,881
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    They are dumb/shallow questions that measure nothing.  My six year old son can correctly identify 90/95% of the countries in the world, does that make him a better candidate?  They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy or trying to win a geography bee.  

    Says someone who would proudly vote for Trump over Bernie. Should be mentioned. For context.

    Not knowing basic shit concerning the job doesn't seem to be a problem for you.

    I say it is a very specific question. And the answer  shows something very specific also. Knowing the name of the President of your biggest trade partner and neighbouring country (because "They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy") =/= knowing "90/95% of the countries in the world".

    And I would believe most people would have Amy be president of the USA over your son. Moot in the context of this specific answer and the answer to it though.
    Your respect for Pete’s knowledge and corresponding support for his campaign is noted.  As a proud captain of Pete’s Pals, I thank you.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited February 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    They are dumb/shallow questions that measure nothing.  My six year old son can correctly identify 90/95% of the countries in the world, does that make him a better candidate?  They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy or trying to win a geography bee.  

    Says someone who would proudly vote for Trump over Bernie. Should be mentioned. For context.

    Not knowing basic shit concerning the job doesn't seem to be a problem for you.

    I say it is a very specific question. And the answer  shows something very specific also. Knowing the name of the President of your biggest trade partner and neighbouring country (because "They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy") =/= knowing "90/95% of the countries in the world".

    And I would believe most people would have Amy be president of the USA over your son. Moot in the context of this specific answer and the answer to it though.
    You really are an idiot, I don’t even know why I engage with you.  You seriously can’t have a rationale conversation. Go troll someone else. I m done here.   
    My response was very rational. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    They are dumb/shallow questions that measure nothing.  My six year old son can correctly identify 90/95% of the countries in the world, does that make him a better candidate?  They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy or trying to win a geography bee.  

    Says someone who would proudly vote for Trump over Bernie. Should be mentioned. For context.

    Not knowing basic shit concerning the job doesn't seem to be a problem for you.

    I say it is a very specific question. And the answer  shows something very specific also. Knowing the name of the President of your biggest trade partner and neighbouring country (because "They are running for President, not competing on jeopardy") =/= knowing "90/95% of the countries in the world".

    And I would believe most people would have Amy be president of the USA over your son. Moot in the context of this specific answer and the answer to it though.
    Your respect for Pete’s knowledge and corresponding support for his campaign is noted.  As a proud captain of Pete’s Pals, I thank you.
    Haha. If a Steyer Stan like myself and a Pete Pal like you can respect eachother, than there is hope for the world.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Your six year old son sounds very bright.  (He's almost old enough to run for leadership in Finland (put Sweden incorrectly, first))

    I m guessing his debate skills are far superior too.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    In no universe is this true. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    Pretty sure you are now fully back to being your normal self around these parts. The break was nice.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited February 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    Pretty sure you are now fully back to being your normal self around these parts. The break was nice.
    ?

    What was wrong with what I stated?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
    No kidding. The gotcha questions are dumb. 

    Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings.
    Pretty sure, some people in here would answer "Pretty sure steyer or Amy would read the briefings" even if they couldn't name the capital of the Canada. Or the US.
    Pretty sure you are now fully back to being your normal self around these parts. The break was nice.
    It was very nice having actual educated debates.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471

    Sen. Amy Klobuchar: People want plans not pipedreams

    https://youtu.be/3e3pYY0-9A8

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    A cool little op ed from a professor at my alma mater:

    Sanders’ and Trump’ supporters have something in common | Opinion

    https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/02/sanders-and-trump-supporters-have-a-lot-in-common.html

    The national Democratic Party, with the New Hampshire primary all wrapped up, is in full panic now. Its leaders are in headlong flight like something from a 1950’s sci-fi flick depicting a terrorized townspeople fleeing a 10-story tall monster crushing cars and flattening buildings.

    It’s not some Godzilla-like creature risen from the ocean depths, though, just a cranky, white-haired 78-year-old socialist from Vermont leading a dedicated band of followers trampling on a party establishment and reducing to rubble the philosophical pillars that support it.

    It’s the second coming of Sen. Bernie Sanders delivering payback to the party hierarchy he blames for rigging the 2016 presidential primary process and cheating him of the nomination.

    His victory in the New Hampshire primary following a first place finish in the train wreck that was the Iowa caucuses secured his position leading the remaining viable contenders for the nomination.

    If he goes on to win the Nevada caucuses on Feb. 22 -- an eminently likely outcome -- and is highly competitive, although not the winner, of the South Carolina primary on Feb. 29, Sanders will cement his frontrunner status while his competitors are forced to re-assess their positions.

    Sanders -- like Donald Trump four years ago -- is an agent of change; not working at the margins and nibbling at the fringes change but bulldozing the political landscape flat and starting over change.

    And, both boast dedicated, committed armies to prove their points.

    Both provided an outlet for the restiveness and alienation that gripped much of the country and turned it into a rebellious movement.

    Four years ago, Trump’s candidacy was dismissed by the Republican Party overlords as another public relations stunt, part of The Donald’s obsession to be the center of attention but not to be taken seriously.

    The Sanders candidacy was viewed more seriously -- particularly since his strong showing against Hillary Clinton in 2016 -- but the smart money insisted he was little more than a gadfly promoting ideas and policies that wouldn’t gain traction with voters.

    His showing against Clinton was fool’s gold, the argument went, the result of a wretched campaign by Clinton rather than a rush to embrace Sanders.

    As Trump rolled through the primaries, blustered through debates and captured outsized media attention, the resonance of his message was ignored by those at the helm of the national party.

    Who in their right mind would support a thrice-married New York City real estate mogul with a history of financial chicanery, bankruptcies and a penchant for derogatory behavior toward women?

    Trump succeeded by declaring his candidacy posed a choice between the tired status quo elements controlling the party and his pitch to disaffected Americans who felt ignored by an indifferent government interested only in perpetuating themselves in power.

    It wasn’t merely frustrations Trump recognized and played to; it was an anger simmering across the nation by Americans who’d lost jobs, saw homes fall into foreclosure and their hopes for their and their children’s future vanish.

    When Trump cried “Make America Great Again,” his listeners envisioned a return to a past when hope and optimism were genuine and hard work was its own reward.

    Political correctness, he said, was the ruination of America and a mockery of traditional values.

    And, they responded by electing an unproven entity whose qualifications and experience were greatly outweighed by his opponents.

    Despite vast unbridgeable ideological differences, the Sanders/Trump parallels are vivid.

    Sanders has relentlessly attacked the wealthy, large corporations and an uncaring, unresponsive government.

    From chronic income inequality to the perils of climate change, Sanders has laid blame at the doorstep of self-serving and self-absorbed robber barons.

    “There should be no such thing as billionaires,” he once cried to his audience.

    He and his army reject criticism they are engaged in class warfare, arguing that if there is a war, the middle class and the low earners are the only casualties.

    The rich, Sanders contends, have become a protected class even enjoying the approval of elements of the Democratic Party -- the party of the working class -- desperate to maintain status and power.

    And, as Trump before him, Sanders’ message has resonated, attracting the disaffected and overlooked with a pledge that his Administration would tolerate it no longer.

    The suddenly real possibility that Sanders --- like Trump --- will ride that wave of discontent to the presidential nomination has induced a panic, a fear that his candidacy built on socialism will produce an electoral disaster, costing the party a chance at regaining the White House and potentially losing control of both houses of the Congress.

    The monster that now stomps the streets is leading a revolution. And, they are the ones who poked it awake.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited February 2020
    "It says a lot that teachers are the largest donor base for the Bernie Sanders campaign"

    Nevada Teachers Stand with Bernie


    https://youtu.be/CZGjCaRKu0c

    What does "teachers are paying thousands of dollars out of pocket for the resources for their students"  mean? That they are paying from their own paycheck, or that they have to buy it themselves first and then get it refunded on their pay like when go to Norway for my job and pay for hotel and food (etc) first but then give them my receipts and get it back on my salary.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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