The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • ecdanc said:
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    No
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    What is the bs?
    bs stands for bull shit.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,645
    ecdanc said:
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,939
    Two threads now and I can't stop laughing. You guys are crackin' me up today. :) Take good care of each other, ok?

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    edited February 2020
    Kat said:
    Two threads now and I can't stop laughing. You guys are crackin' me up today. :) Take good care of each other, ok?

    @kat I feel like we could really come together as a group if we all sat next to each other at the Apollo Show.  Anyway to hook us up with some tickets?  ;)
    Much love,
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    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • What we really need is three days of peace, love and Pearl Jam. Make it happen Kat, you got pull. McGruff will bring the red wine and ice.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    What we really need is three days of peace, love and Pearl Jam. Make it happen Kat, you got pull. McGruff will bring the red wine and ice.
    Franzia and boone's for all!!!!
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    Franzia and boone's for all!!!!
    They still make Boone's?
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    They still make Boone's?
    At least they do in New Jersey.  You know you want your old stand by:
    Image result for strawberry hill boones
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435

    Peggy Huppert, an Iowa activist who consulted for the 2016 Sanders campaign, said she had decided to support Mr. Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Ind., in 2020 “in large part because of the way he conducts himself.” She praised Mr. Sanders’s letter to supporters after his announcement but said that this message had plainly failed to resonate.

    “Obama set the tone for his campaign: ‘You are positive, you are respectful, you are civil,’” Ms. Huppert said. “I guess Bernie hasn’t.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-internet-supporters-2020.html

    Ask Liz Warren how many snake emojis she got in the last few weeks, and how much online bullying.. 

    I actually like Bernie, but I fucking hate people with jacobin tendencies, although I don't think Bernie is a Robespierre.  It's his damn 'people'.  

  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    mcgruff10 said:
    At least they do in New Jersey.  You know you want your old stand by:
    Image result for strawberry hill boones
    I just urgently shit in a trash can just from looking at the photo.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 6,829
    mcgruff10 said:
    @kat I feel like we could really come together as a group if we all sat next to each other at the Apollo Show.  Anyway to hook us up with some tickets?  ;)
    Much love,
    10C member 139682  
    Idea of the year! And I will stand by this statement on 12/31/2020.
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 6,829
    mcgruff10 said:
    bs stands for bull shit.  
    So, is bs and trump stand for the same thing? Just to be sure I understand that correctly.
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.  
    But I asked you for a bs Biden-supporting site. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    No
    How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off.  If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.  
    Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,645
    mcgruff10 said:
    @kat I feel like we could really come together as a group if we all sat next to each other at the Apollo Show.  Anyway to hook us up with some tickets?  ;)
    Much love,
    10C member 139682  
    I'm willing to give it a go ;)
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,450
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....
    The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem.  And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    ecdanc said:
    But I asked you for a bs Biden-supporting site. 
    I only have so much prep time!!!  Ok mission accepted.  Kids coming in to class.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435
    ecdanc said:
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
    So policies are binary?  You either completely agree or completely opposed?  Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy.  The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?  
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,645
    ecdanc said:
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
    Oh, I see you took offense.  I should have typed it...

    Yes they are a part of a legitimate political movement.  It's called the bernie sanders campaign.  

    The part about him and his supporters shitting all over others is understood so no need to type it out.
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    OnWis97 said:
    The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem.  And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.
    Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    So policies are binary?  You either completely agree or completely opposed?  Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy.  The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?  
    I can think your ideas are shit without using binary thinking. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Oh, I see you took offense.  I should have typed it...

    Yes they are a part of a legitimate political movement.  It's called the bernie sanders campaign.  

    The part about him and his supporters shitting all over others is understood so no need to type it out.
    And what about those of us who agree with those positions but aren't Sanders supporters? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,632
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?
    You mean like Obama did? And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435
    ecdanc said:
    I can think your ideas are shit without using binary thinking. 
    So you're saying that every other candidate's ideas are shit, except Bernie's, therefore justifying trashing their campaigns.  Is that right?  Parlaying that into the Obamacare example to make it concrete.  It's not a hard question.  
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    You mean like Obama did?
    I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    So you're saying that every other candidate's ideas are shit, except Bernie's, therefore justifying trashing their campaigns.  Is that right?  Parlaying that into the Obamacare example to make it concrete.  It's not a hard question.  
    Some candidates have entirely shitty ideas; other candidates have mostly shitty ideas; Bernie has less shitty ideas, but I still don't support him. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    You mean like Obama did? And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?
    You're telling me that my friends aren't part of a "legitimate political movement." I'm telling you they're taking a helluva lot more political action than most--possibly more than you. 
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