The Democratic Presidential Debates
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 Your point is? Maybe try keeping track of who says what. Might help you avoid becoming so confused.mrussel1 said:
 Well that's what precipitated the whole discussion. That post and the one of his granddaughter.ecdanc said:
 I'm making no argument about the girl in that picture. Haven't said a word about her.mrussel1 said:
 Right, because in today's world, that young African American girl would have been vilified in the media and probably lost all future job opportunities if she said she was uncomfortable with the kiss. Is that your argument? I just want to be sure I'm understanding where your paternalism is originating.ecdanc said:
 GTFO with the "weak women" nonsense. Even you aren't so naive not to recognize the disincentive for women to make public statements about powerful men's behavior.mrussel1 said:
 Ah... so that young lady in the cap and gown is too scared to report her 'assault'. Fascinating little argument you've constructed. If they report it, ah ha! If they don't, yeah it's how they feel but they are just weak women. You can't lose! The reporting and non-reporting both make you right. Genius.ecdanc said:
 Because we all know women never (wisely) refrain from pointing out that powerful men did something inappropriatemrussel1 said:
 And you're still dying on the vine of being able to ascribe motives to people and choose what's appropriate for woman. So neither of us have moved evidently.cincybearcat said:
 Hahahaha dying on the Joe Biden isn't a creep despite a lot of video evidence hill again are we?mrussel1 said:
 And since that dust up in the summer, Biden has said he will be mindful that the environment has changed. And I have not seen anyone lodge a complaint. So how about these twitter fucks speak for themselves only, and not for his granddaughter or the young lady with the cap and gown. Unless you and these others think that they are too weak to speak for how they feel. Then you can step in and play dad for them.ecdanc said:
 Plenty of women Biden touches aren't fine with it. https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.htmlmrussel1 said:
 I sometimes kiss my daughter on the lips. I don't have a grand daughter, so I can't say if that will continue when that day comes. Considering the last round of this smear six months ago didn't really hurt him, I don't think this will either. My point was to SC who posts this crap all the time, and it's a serious one. Who are these twitter users (or him) to decide if any of this is wrong or gross? If the women are fine, then nothing inappropriate happened. How do we know that right before that video with the graduate she didn't say.. can you kiss my cheek? We don't. The way these twitter douchers spam this is absolutely paternalistic.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
 So you and these twitter users have taken these young ladies' agency, and determined how they feel about these events? How very paternalistic of you.Spiritual_Chaos said:Lerxst1992 said:Ugh. I think Joe just got banana brain re-elected.
 M- I was referring to Joe kissing his granddaughter on the lips full on.
 Isnt that gonna creep out swing state voters?
 And to your point, what does 'full on' mean? It's a photo. Again, if you used stop action photography and froze my kiss to one of my daughters, it would look like that. It's not like they are frenching.
 Look - it won;t matter in the general election as he is less creepy than Trump...but that creepiness sure bothers me enough to drop him to .... maybe 4th on my list? But I'm not the Dem primary target audience so we will see how much my opinion and those like me actually matters anyhow 0 0
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 Exactly. It's a great hack.mrussel1 said:
 Edible and 3 drinks over a few hours is perfect for me. No hangover whatsoever.dignin said:
 That's what they say. When I drink, which is getting more rare these days, I drink rye.mrussel1 said:
 I've rarely been drunk on scotch, it's waaaaay too expensive. But I love it, best for sipping with a drop or two of water and nothing else. I like to keep multiple bottles behind the bar, but it takes me years to finish them and they are fun to share with guests.
 As an aside, I find the best for me now is to eat a moderate amount of edibles before heading out for the night. It really keeps the drinking down so as to avoid a hangover.0
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            Bernie aint no Dino. He just wants to leave the 50s with Biden making out with his own mom and take you guys Back to the Future like: 
 "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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 You're just so bad at public arguments. I think you're just used to your bubble of everyone thinking just like you. How do you not understand my point? My point is about these two posts by SC. It has been the start.ecdanc said:
 Your point is? Maybe try keeping track of who says what. Might help you avoid becoming so confused.mrussel1 said:
 Well that's what precipitated the whole discussion. That post and the one of his granddaughter.ecdanc said:
 I'm making no argument about the girl in that picture. Haven't said a word about her.mrussel1 said:
 Right, because in today's world, that young African American girl would have been vilified in the media and probably lost all future job opportunities if she said she was uncomfortable with the kiss. Is that your argument? I just want to be sure I'm understanding where your paternalism is originating.ecdanc said:
 GTFO with the "weak women" nonsense. Even you aren't so naive not to recognize the disincentive for women to make public statements about powerful men's behavior.mrussel1 said:
 Ah... so that young lady in the cap and gown is too scared to report her 'assault'. Fascinating little argument you've constructed. If they report it, ah ha! If they don't, yeah it's how they feel but they are just weak women. You can't lose! The reporting and non-reporting both make you right. Genius.ecdanc said:
 Because we all know women never (wisely) refrain from pointing out that powerful men did something inappropriatemrussel1 said:
 And you're still dying on the vine of being able to ascribe motives to people and choose what's appropriate for woman. So neither of us have moved evidently.cincybearcat said:
 Hahahaha dying on the Joe Biden isn't a creep despite a lot of video evidence hill again are we?mrussel1 said:
 And since that dust up in the summer, Biden has said he will be mindful that the environment has changed. And I have not seen anyone lodge a complaint. So how about these twitter fucks speak for themselves only, and not for his granddaughter or the young lady with the cap and gown. Unless you and these others think that they are too weak to speak for how they feel. Then you can step in and play dad for them.ecdanc said:
 Plenty of women Biden touches aren't fine with it. https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.htmlmrussel1 said:
 I sometimes kiss my daughter on the lips. I don't have a grand daughter, so I can't say if that will continue when that day comes. Considering the last round of this smear six months ago didn't really hurt him, I don't think this will either. My point was to SC who posts this crap all the time, and it's a serious one. Who are these twitter users (or him) to decide if any of this is wrong or gross? If the women are fine, then nothing inappropriate happened. How do we know that right before that video with the graduate she didn't say.. can you kiss my cheek? We don't. The way these twitter douchers spam this is absolutely paternalistic.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
 So you and these twitter users have taken these young ladies' agency, and determined how they feel about these events? How very paternalistic of you.Spiritual_Chaos said:Lerxst1992 said:Ugh. I think Joe just got banana brain re-elected.
 M- I was referring to Joe kissing his granddaughter on the lips full on.
 Isnt that gonna creep out swing state voters?
 And to your point, what does 'full on' mean? It's a photo. Again, if you used stop action photography and froze my kiss to one of my daughters, it would look like that. It's not like they are frenching.
 Look - it won;t matter in the general election as he is less creepy than Trump...but that creepiness sure bothers me enough to drop him to .... maybe 4th on my list? But I'm not the Dem primary target audience so we will see how much my opinion and those like me actually matters anyhow 0 0
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            I just want to say. I regret posting pics of Joes krazy-kissing if it meant you two starting to bicker like this. It breaks my heart."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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 You're right: in my bubble, most people say "my bad" if you say "umm, you're accusing me of saying something I didn't say."mrussel1 said:
 You're just so bad at public arguments. I think you're just used to your bubble of everyone thinking just like you. How do you not understand my point? My point is about these two posts by SC. It has been the start.ecdanc said:
 Your point is? Maybe try keeping track of who says what. Might help you avoid becoming so confused.mrussel1 said:
 Well that's what precipitated the whole discussion. That post and the one of his granddaughter.ecdanc said:
 I'm making no argument about the girl in that picture. Haven't said a word about her.mrussel1 said:
 Right, because in today's world, that young African American girl would have been vilified in the media and probably lost all future job opportunities if she said she was uncomfortable with the kiss. Is that your argument? I just want to be sure I'm understanding where your paternalism is originating.ecdanc said:
 GTFO with the "weak women" nonsense. Even you aren't so naive not to recognize the disincentive for women to make public statements about powerful men's behavior.mrussel1 said:
 Ah... so that young lady in the cap and gown is too scared to report her 'assault'. Fascinating little argument you've constructed. If they report it, ah ha! If they don't, yeah it's how they feel but they are just weak women. You can't lose! The reporting and non-reporting both make you right. Genius.ecdanc said:
 Because we all know women never (wisely) refrain from pointing out that powerful men did something inappropriatemrussel1 said:
 And you're still dying on the vine of being able to ascribe motives to people and choose what's appropriate for woman. So neither of us have moved evidently.cincybearcat said:
 Hahahaha dying on the Joe Biden isn't a creep despite a lot of video evidence hill again are we?mrussel1 said:
 And since that dust up in the summer, Biden has said he will be mindful that the environment has changed. And I have not seen anyone lodge a complaint. So how about these twitter fucks speak for themselves only, and not for his granddaughter or the young lady with the cap and gown. Unless you and these others think that they are too weak to speak for how they feel. Then you can step in and play dad for them.ecdanc said:
 Plenty of women Biden touches aren't fine with it. https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.htmlmrussel1 said:
 I sometimes kiss my daughter on the lips. I don't have a grand daughter, so I can't say if that will continue when that day comes. Considering the last round of this smear six months ago didn't really hurt him, I don't think this will either. My point was to SC who posts this crap all the time, and it's a serious one. Who are these twitter users (or him) to decide if any of this is wrong or gross? If the women are fine, then nothing inappropriate happened. How do we know that right before that video with the graduate she didn't say.. can you kiss my cheek? We don't. The way these twitter douchers spam this is absolutely paternalistic.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
 So you and these twitter users have taken these young ladies' agency, and determined how they feel about these events? How very paternalistic of you.Spiritual_Chaos said:Lerxst1992 said:Ugh. I think Joe just got banana brain re-elected.
 M- I was referring to Joe kissing his granddaughter on the lips full on.
 Isnt that gonna creep out swing state voters?
 And to your point, what does 'full on' mean? It's a photo. Again, if you used stop action photography and froze my kiss to one of my daughters, it would look like that. It's not like they are frenching.
 Look - it won;t matter in the general election as he is less creepy than Trump...but that creepiness sure bothers me enough to drop him to .... maybe 4th on my list? But I'm not the Dem primary target audience so we will see how much my opinion and those like me actually matters anyhow 
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            I'm beginning to think that Biden could inappropriately kiss/touch/smell a girl on 5th avenue and get away with it!hippiemom = goodness0
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 Haha. Made me laugh.cincybearcat said:I'm beginning to think that Biden could inappropriately kiss/touch/smell a girl on 5th avenue and get away with it!"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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 I think it'll be a yuge topic if he gets the nomination. Somehow rapey Trump will be treated better than creepy Joe.cincybearcat said:I'm beginning to think that Biden could inappropriately kiss/touch/smell a girl on 5th avenue and get away with it!1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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            MACH I: sleepy joe
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 It doesn't take much to get that started. I prefer to discuss legitimate issues.Spiritual_Chaos said:I just want to say. I regret posting pics of Joes krazy-kissing if it meant you two starting to bicker like this. It breaks my heart.0
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 How the candidates treat women is a legitimate issue.mrussel1 said:
 It doesn't take much to get that started. I prefer to discuss legitimate issues.Spiritual_Chaos said:I just want to say. I regret posting pics of Joes krazy-kissing if it meant you two starting to bicker like this. It breaks my heart.0
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            Democratic socialists treat on average women a lot better than right-wing capitalism jerkers. No disputing that. It's simple MATH.
 So let's go!"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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 It means ”not equal to”brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying MATH =/= mathbrianlux said:=/= ?Is that equal divided by equal?Would that be the same as infinity or zero?MATH I'm good with but math is not my strong suit. 
 Well, no, more like Ecdanc's Equation leads me to thinking, as in "Make America Think Harder", about a subject I am not so strong in- which is math. The best I could come up with is either "equal divided by equal = infinity" or "equal divided by equal = zero." But now that I think HARDER about it (which is difficult to do at 1:10 AM in the AM), I have a feeling the answer to "equal divided by equal" may be one. Man oh man, I am going to need some good strong coffee in about 7 hours.The sign for "not equal to is "≠"."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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 How do I type that?!?! Are you some sort of wizard?brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 It means ”not equal to”brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying MATH =/= mathbrianlux said:=/= ?Is that equal divided by equal?Would that be the same as infinity or zero?MATH I'm good with but math is not my strong suit. 
 Well, no, more like Ecdanc's Equation leads me to thinking, as in "Make America Think Harder", about a subject I am not so strong in- which is math. The best I could come up with is either "equal divided by equal = infinity" or "equal divided by equal = zero." But now that I think HARDER about it (which is difficult to do at 1:10 AM in the AM), I have a feeling the answer to "equal divided by equal" may be one. Man oh man, I am going to need some good strong coffee in about 7 hours.The sign for "not equal to is "≠".0
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 Again, after the dust up in the summer, Biden promised to be more cognizant. I have not heard of any complaints by women since then. So these two videos being posted as evidence that he treats women poorly are absolutely without merit unless these two women accuse him of something, which they haven't. Until then, it's a bunch of patriarchs who know better than the individual women.ecdanc said:
 How the candidates treat women is a legitimate issue.mrussel1 said:
 It doesn't take much to get that started. I prefer to discuss legitimate issues.Spiritual_Chaos said:I just want to say. I regret posting pics of Joes krazy-kissing if it meant you two starting to bicker like this. It breaks my heart.0
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 You only know of one Dem Socialist in the US, so... be careful with your statistically significant sample of one.Spiritual_Chaos said:Democratic socialists treat on average women a lot better than right-wing capitalism jerkers. No disputing that. It's simple MATH.
 So let's go!0
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 I’ll let my wife know you think she’s a patriarch.mrussel1 said:
 Again, after the dust up in the summer, Biden promised to be more cognizant. I have not heard of any complaints by women since then. So these two videos being posted as evidence that he treats women poorly are absolutely without merit unless these two women accuse him of something, which they haven't. Until then, it's a bunch of patriarchs who know better than the individual women.ecdanc said:
 How the candidates treat women is a legitimate issue.mrussel1 said:
 It doesn't take much to get that started. I prefer to discuss legitimate issues.Spiritual_Chaos said:I just want to say. I regret posting pics of Joes krazy-kissing if it meant you two starting to bicker like this. It breaks my heart.0
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            Spiritual_Chaos said:Thank you! S_C! Yes, there IS a ton of excitement around Yang's candidacy. I'm surprised to not see more interest in Yang around here. I would have guessed more here would think outside the box and see the potential in Yang. He polls highest among the young. Maybe you folks are just getting old? Seriously though, check him out. This is real and it's happening."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 Seriously though, check him out. This is real and it's happening."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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 You do that. Maybe she's just a helicopter mom. Or maybe, you should teach her the proper definition of patriarch used in your field.ecdanc said:
 I’ll let my wife know you think she’s a patriarch.mrussel1 said:
 Again, after the dust up in the summer, Biden promised to be more cognizant. I have not heard of any complaints by women since then. So these two videos being posted as evidence that he treats women poorly are absolutely without merit unless these two women accuse him of something, which they haven't. Until then, it's a bunch of patriarchs who know better than the individual women.ecdanc said:
 How the candidates treat women is a legitimate issue.mrussel1 said:
 It doesn't take much to get that started. I prefer to discuss legitimate issues.Spiritual_Chaos said:I just want to say. I regret posting pics of Joes krazy-kissing if it meant you two starting to bicker like this. It breaks my heart.0
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