How Brokers Scalp 10c Tickets

on2legs · January 2020

jonsey30 said:

Couldn’t they do this? Fan to fan sale starts in Feb, and must be face value. But couldn’t someone list them on a secondary market and make a deal to process the face value sale through TM, and take a side payment for more?

No... you have no contact with the buyer.

Kane6676 · January 2020

jonsey30 said:

Couldn’t they do this? Fan to fan sale starts in Feb, and must be face value. But couldn’t someone list them on a secondary market and make a deal to process the face value sale through TM, and take a side payment for more?

They are doing this right now and if I decide to go then that’s how I’m getting tickets

Kane6676 · January 2020

Zod said:

I think for the most part this system is working pretty good (except the two places where it was illegal to do it).   While I realize since anyone can get GA, that some scalpers might try to infiltrate GA, the hoops the buyer has to go through to access the tickets is most likely a deterrent.

It's crazy watching people complain about how this tour went down, when I can't think of any band (not even remotely close) that put this kind of effort in to keep the tickets out of broker/scalper hands and into the hands of fans.    I've never seen anything like this.   It's unprecedented.

Then I still find myself reading comments like "I have seen Pj 4 times since 2000. With their new ticket system I doubt I ever see them again. Oh well ". I think people are underestimating what PJ pulled off.

New York it's its own beast. It's one of the most populated places in the USA, and it's a single show an an Arena.   You've got demand working against it (probably the most in demand show), plus they couldn't implement their antiscalping strategy there, which mean you had brokers/scalpers making it worse.

I'm pretty impressed with what PJ did. If you're going to charge $100/ticket, and we know scalpers can easily ask 2 to 3x that. You need to lock that shit down.   If you don't, it's a big arbitrage opportunity.   It all comes down to bands asking less for tickets then what they are worth. IF they didn't do that, there would be no value for scalpers to flip them.

Funny thing is that in the two states that didn’t allow Pearl Jam to run this ticket scam ( which it is) you can still get tickets on a trusted site. Everywhere else you now have to purchase someone’s TM account to get the tickets. PJ left thousand of fans to possibly be scammed. Terrible system. I don’t care what you say. I realize that those who got tickets don’t care and will applaud this non sense

sd150448 · January 2020

I agree
Makes no difference to me. I got the tickets I wanted so I'm good. Shame for those who didn't. Been there countless times. Just sad real fans get robbed point blank

RatherStarved · January 2020

The Germans have solved this. I saw Eddie Vedder solo in Berlin last year. When you buy a ticket, you have to enter your name. The ticket is personalized. They have a fan to fan exchange where you can sell a ticket and the buyer’s name is then registered. The seller can set any price but not to exceed face value. When you enter the venue they take a quick look at your ID when they scan your ticket. It does not add any time or staff to the process because the bottleneck is security, not scanning tickets. Through this process I was able to buy a really good seat for face value after missing the initial on sale. It wasn’t really very complicated at all. I predict the dynamic bar codes will cause a lot more delays at the entrances than would be the case if they took a quick look at ID. It doesn’t have to be complicated.

on2legs · January 2020

Kane6676 said:

jonsey30 said:

Couldn’t they do this? Fan to fan sale starts in Feb, and must be face value. But couldn’t someone list them on a secondary market and make a deal to process the face value sale through TM, and take a side payment for more?

They are doing this right now and if I decide to go then that’s how I’m getting tickets

It’s not like eBay. You’re not dealing directly with the ticket holder. Ticketmaster handles the transaction without either party knowing who the other one is so there’s no way to route additional money.

Zod · January 2020

jonsey30 said:

Couldn’t they do this? Fan to fan sale starts in Feb, and must be face value. But couldn’t someone list them on a secondary market and make a deal to process the face value sale through TM, and take a side payment for more?

I think this depends on whether or not you can buy/sell to a specific person. If all you can do it post your tickets for sale, and then someone can scoop them. Then the loophole in our statement won't work so well, as a 3rd party could scoop them when posted. It only works if they add a feature to trade/buy/sell with a specific user. Hopefully it's the former and not the latter, otherwise you could very much ask for extras on the side.

halshakarchi · January 2020

So is this the latest conspiracy theory for why 10c members didn’t get a ticket?

Ledbetterman10 · January 2020

thefixer420 said:

Here's how brokers are taking advantage of the 10c and the new system:

1. Buy a bunch of new 10c memberships and establish a bunch of TM "burner" accounts.

2. Enter the lottery to win transferable tickets (MSG) or high demand tickets (Baltimore).

3. For MSG/Denver, simply sell on the secondary like normal. For Baltimore, sell access to your account.

It's as simple as that. Brokers know locations well ahead of time now, so listing specific locations to sell is easy. Seniority means nothing to them for shows like Baltimore as any seat is worth at least $500 each given limited inventory. Even if you only win on a few entries, it's well worth the investment (e.g.

Never even crossed my mind; scalpers buying multiple burner Tenclub memberships. Damn shysters.

on2legs · January 2020

Zod said:

jonsey30 said:

Couldn’t they do this? Fan to fan sale starts in Feb, and must be face value. But couldn’t someone list them on a secondary market and make a deal to process the face value sale through TM, and take a side payment for more?

I think this depends on whether or not you can buy/sell to a specific person. If all you can do it post your tickets for sale, and then someone can scoop them. Then the loophole in our statement won't work so well, as a 3rd party could scoop them when posted. It only works if they add a feature to trade/buy/sell with a specific user. Hopefully it's the former and not the latter, otherwise you could very much ask for extras on the side.

It’s a blind sale. You will gave no idea who you’re buying from or selling to.

Sarava · January 2020

I guess I dont get how people buying these tickets from brokers would get in the arenas? Are they not going to id the people coming in? They made it clear that the ticket purchaser must be present and using one of the 2 tickets. That can't be accomplished without id-ing all of us coming in.

Kane6676 · January 2020

Sarava said:

I guess I dont get how people buying these tickets from brokers would get in the arenas? Are they not going to id the people coming in? They made it clear that the ticket purchaser must be present and using one of the 2 tickets. That can't be accomplished without id-ing all of us coming in.

All they said was that the tickets can’t be transferred. So the brokers made dummy TM accounts, bought up tickets. Then simply sell the login and passwords at huge markup. You basically buy their Ticketmaster account. They did not stop scalpers, they made it worse

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

Tickets will always find a way to enter the market.

The best defense against scalping will do 2 things:

1. Limit the supply of resale tickets

2. Drastically increase prices that do reach the market.

PJ has always been very effective at both.

Zod · January 2020

Kane6676 said:

Zod said:

I think for the most part this system is working pretty good (except the two places where it was illegal to do it).   While I realize since anyone can get GA, that some scalpers might try to infiltrate GA, the hoops the buyer has to go through to access the tickets is most likely a deterrent.

It's crazy watching people complain about how this tour went down, when I can't think of any band (not even remotely close) that put this kind of effort in to keep the tickets out of broker/scalper hands and into the hands of fans.    I've never seen anything like this.   It's unprecedented.

Then I still find myself reading comments like "I have seen Pj 4 times since 2000. With their new ticket system I doubt I ever see them again. Oh well ". I think people are underestimating what PJ pulled off.

New York it's its own beast. It's one of the most populated places in the USA, and it's a single show an an Arena.   You've got demand working against it (probably the most in demand show), plus they couldn't implement their antiscalping strategy there, which mean you had brokers/scalpers making it worse.

I'm pretty impressed with what PJ did. If you're going to charge $100/ticket, and we know scalpers can easily ask 2 to 3x that. You need to lock that shit down.   If you don't, it's a big arbitrage opportunity.   It all comes down to bands asking less for tickets then what they are worth. IF they didn't do that, there would be no value for scalpers to flip them.

Funny thing is that in the two states that didn’t allow Pearl Jam to run this ticket scam ( which it is) you can still get tickets on a trusted site. Everywhere else you now have to purchase someone’s TM account to get the tickets. PJ left thousand of fans to possibly be scammed. Terrible system. I don’t care what you say. I realize that those who got tickets don’t care and will applaud this non sense

Except, how common is the selling TM burned accounts really going to be? That's a stretch. What's even more impressive is how few tickets for the shows in the states that allowed scalping. I stand by notion that what PJ did was impressive. I can't think of any other artists that put in that kind of effort to get tickets into the hands of fans the first time, and not to scalpers.

I applaud the effort. Slow clap to full applause.

PB11041 · January 2020

It is amazing to me that anyone would fucking consider buying "access" to a TM account and think that was going to work out.

Everyone with the "see how easy it is" look at these burner accounts being sold on EBay.

You would have to be a total dimwit to pay a dime let alone $1,000+ dollars on a EBay for a login to someone else TM account and not think it was a certainty you would get scammed.

mpedone · January 2020

Do people not think scalpers had multiple 10C accounts in the past? If you already have multiple 10C accounts, it's simple to create multiple TM accounts linked to them.

mpedone · January 2020

Kane6676 said:

Zod said:

I think for the most part this system is working pretty good (except the two places where it was illegal to do it).   While I realize since anyone can get GA, that some scalpers might try to infiltrate GA, the hoops the buyer has to go through to access the tickets is most likely a deterrent.

It's crazy watching people complain about how this tour went down, when I can't think of any band (not even remotely close) that put this kind of effort in to keep the tickets out of broker/scalper hands and into the hands of fans.    I've never seen anything like this.   It's unprecedented.

Then I still find myself reading comments like "I have seen Pj 4 times since 2000. With their new ticket system I doubt I ever see them again. Oh well ". I think people are underestimating what PJ pulled off.

New York it's its own beast. It's one of the most populated places in the USA, and it's a single show an an Arena.   You've got demand working against it (probably the most in demand show), plus they couldn't implement their antiscalping strategy there, which mean you had brokers/scalpers making it worse.

I'm pretty impressed with what PJ did. If you're going to charge $100/ticket, and we know scalpers can easily ask 2 to 3x that. You need to lock that shit down.   If you don't, it's a big arbitrage opportunity.   It all comes down to bands asking less for tickets then what they are worth. IF they didn't do that, there would be no value for scalpers to flip them.

Funny thing is that in the two states that didn’t allow Pearl Jam to run this ticket scam ( which it is) you can still get tickets on a trusted site. Everywhere else you now have to purchase someone’s TM account to get the tickets. PJ left thousand of fans to possibly be scammed. Terrible system. I don’t care what you say. I realize that those who got tickets don’t care and will applaud this non sense

So, you would rather Pearl Jam (and TicketMaster) let bots/agencies buy up 50% of the tickets and sell them to fans at a premium? That seems like a better system to you? A handful of tickets are being "scalped" instead of entire sections, and this is a "scam"?

Sarava · January 2020

Kane6676 said:

Sarava said:

I guess I dont get how people buying these tickets from brokers would get in the arenas? Are they not going to id the people coming in? They made it clear that the ticket purchaser must be present and using one of the 2 tickets. That can't be accomplished without id-ing all of us coming in.

Sarava said:

I guess I dont get how people buying these tickets from brokers would get in the arenas? Are they not going to id the people coming in? They made it clear that the ticket purchaser must be present and using one of the 2 tickets. That can't be accomplished without id-ing all of us coming in.

All they said was that the tickets can’t be transferred. So the brokers made dummy TM accounts, bought up tickets. Then simply sell the login and passwords at huge markup. You basically buy their Ticketmaster account. They did not stop scalpers, they made it worse

Yeah, they can't be transferred. But say the dummy TM account and 10c account had a name of Jane Doe. And a guy name Joe Schmo bought them for $500 off stubhub....he then shows up and doesn't have an ID matching. How is he then going to get in the arena? Wouldn't they say, sorry only Jane Doe can redeem these tickets? I mean, if they don't ID people coming in, this whole exercise to make them non transferable was pointless.

halshakarchi · January 2020

Once we actually get our tickets this week we’ll see if there are any measures or rules in place that stop the burner phone tactic from working.

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

Zod said:

Kane6676 said:

Zod said:

I think for the most part this system is working pretty good (except the two places where it was illegal to do it).   While I realize since anyone can get GA, that some scalpers might try to infiltrate GA, the hoops the buyer has to go through to access the tickets is most likely a deterrent.

It's crazy watching people complain about how this tour went down, when I can't think of any band (not even remotely close) that put this kind of effort in to keep the tickets out of broker/scalper hands and into the hands of fans.    I've never seen anything like this.   It's unprecedented.

Then I still find myself reading comments like "I have seen Pj 4 times since 2000. With their new ticket system I doubt I ever see them again. Oh well ". I think people are underestimating what PJ pulled off.

New York it's its own beast. It's one of the most populated places in the USA, and it's a single show an an Arena.   You've got demand working against it (probably the most in demand show), plus they couldn't implement their antiscalping strategy there, which mean you had brokers/scalpers making it worse.

I'm pretty impressed with what PJ did. If you're going to charge $100/ticket, and we know scalpers can easily ask 2 to 3x that. You need to lock that shit down.   If you don't, it's a big arbitrage opportunity.   It all comes down to bands asking less for tickets then what they are worth. IF they didn't do that, there would be no value for scalpers to flip them.

Funny thing is that in the two states that didn’t allow Pearl Jam to run this ticket scam ( which it is) you can still get tickets on a trusted site. Everywhere else you now have to purchase someone’s TM account to get the tickets. PJ left thousand of fans to possibly be scammed. Terrible system. I don’t care what you say. I realize that those who got tickets don’t care and will applaud this non sense

Except, how common is the selling TM burned accounts really going to be? That's a stretch. What's even more impressive is how few tickets for the shows in the states that allowed scalping.    I stand by notion that what PJ did was impressive. I can't think of any other artists that put in that kind of effort to get tickets into the hands of fans the first time, and not to scalpers.

I applaud the effort.   Slow clap to full applause.

Definitely 1st place medal

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