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  • Triberjay25
    Triberjay25 Detroit Posts: 129
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
  • erocshifty
    erocshifty Posts: 1,170
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    That has to be TM selling off tickets to those sites. There was something that came out about that with a Metallica Rep not that long ago. 

    https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/congressman-calls-out-metallica-after-ticket-scam-is-revealed/
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,444
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Honestly? Good. I have no other way of getting to these gigs. So I’m glad they’re showing up on these sites. 
  • erocshifty
    erocshifty Posts: 1,170
    Baltimore is the priciest ticket- over MSG. Nashville's somewhat reasonable. I've only looked at those 3 so far.
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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    nicknyr15 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Honestly? Good. I have no other way of getting to these gigs. So I’m glad they’re showing up on these sites. 
    Sigh. 
  • MickeyMouse
    MickeyMouse Posts: 1,057
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Yea most professional scalpers/brokers will list their inventory across all platforms. 

    Again, the system worked. The percentage of tickets on the secondary market is remarkably low, which is what they wanted. 

    It sounds to me while reading this thread that some people are slowly realizing that scalpers are a necessary evil. For years all I read on this board were "bots and scalpers ruin it for everyone! Die!" and now all I see are "you know, this really hurts the people who didn't get tickets because now we have nowhere to go to get them..."
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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    MickeyMouse said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Yea most professional scalpers/brokers will list their inventory across all platforms. 

    Again, the system worked. The percentage of tickets on the secondary market is remarkably low, which is what they wanted. 

    It sounds to me while reading this thread that some people are slowly realizing that scalpers are a necessary evil. For years all I read on this board were "bots and scalpers ruin it for everyone! Die!" and now all I see are "you know, this really hurts the people who didn't get tickets because now we have nowhere to go to get them..."
    Necessary? In the sense that people with the funds/motivation to buy from scalpers need them to get into shows, I suppose you're right. But let's imagine a world without scalping. How do the shows/crowds themselves differ? Some people are shut out, but others get in. Who gets in might look marginally different (better? worse?). I think the "necessary evil" bit is implicit fatalism coupled with insidious classism.  
  • MickeyMouse
    MickeyMouse Posts: 1,057
    ecdanc said:
    MickeyMouse said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Yea most professional scalpers/brokers will list their inventory across all platforms. 

    Again, the system worked. The percentage of tickets on the secondary market is remarkably low, which is what they wanted. 

    It sounds to me while reading this thread that some people are slowly realizing that scalpers are a necessary evil. For years all I read on this board were "bots and scalpers ruin it for everyone! Die!" and now all I see are "you know, this really hurts the people who didn't get tickets because now we have nowhere to go to get them..."
    Necessary? In the sense that people with the funds/motivation to buy from scalpers need them to get into shows, I suppose you're right. But let's imagine a world without scalping. How do the shows/crowds themselves differ? Some people are shut out, but others get in. Who gets in might look marginally different (better? worse?). I think the "necessary evil" bit is implicit fatalism coupled with insidious classism.  
    Settle down. Scalping can be reselling for $50 above original price or $1000. Has nothing to do with classism or fatalism. Just the realization that sometimes the things we hate actually have some value to some people. 
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  • BSully
    BSully Indiana Posts: 1,503
    GreenDiseaseFree said:
    Fellow 10Cs
    while I share the anxiety, disappointment, frustration we all have gone through this last week or so regarding leg 1 of this tour: 10C request, verified fan sucking, public on sale with the goddamn blue man walking, or staying put, “2000+ in front of you”, and all the crap, I didn’t see anyone post something very interesting I noticed tonight:
    As of this post, about 10 hours after the public on sale, ONLY New York and Denver are showing tickets on StubHub.
    Specifically,  MSG only has 34 GA tickets posted, Denver only 4 tickets in GA
    While there are over 300 total tickets for MSG listed (for now) that many or most of you deserve over the fucking dirtbags that steal and resell our much sought after tickets, can’t this be looked at as an actual overall victory?
    339 total MSG tickets posted is a small number compared to the whole arena.
    Zero postings for Baltimore
    Zero postings for STL
    Zero postings for Nashville (which I personally was shut out of in 10C, verified fan, and public sale)
    Zero postings for OKC, Oakland
    Anyway, while the resell market is not limited to StubHub, my point is, doesn’t this appear, at least at a first glance, this process worked for us all?
    The majority of the tickets “look” to be in the hands of the Faithfull, and that, to me anyway, shows that this whole thing might just have worked the way it’s was intended. 
    I have to obviously note to myself that in a week, this post may backfire on me, but I fucking hate scalpers, I hate TM even more for “feeing” the shit out of reasonable concert tickets, and just overall being dicks, but I cannot help but feel like the band and this process did in fact work more for us than against us.
    Am I missing something at this time and ranted for no reason?
    Nice investigating work...

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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    MickeyMouse said:
    ecdanc said:
    MickeyMouse said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Yea most professional scalpers/brokers will list their inventory across all platforms. 

    Again, the system worked. The percentage of tickets on the secondary market is remarkably low, which is what they wanted. 

    It sounds to me while reading this thread that some people are slowly realizing that scalpers are a necessary evil. For years all I read on this board were "bots and scalpers ruin it for everyone! Die!" and now all I see are "you know, this really hurts the people who didn't get tickets because now we have nowhere to go to get them..."
    Necessary? In the sense that people with the funds/motivation to buy from scalpers need them to get into shows, I suppose you're right. But let's imagine a world without scalping. How do the shows/crowds themselves differ? Some people are shut out, but others get in. Who gets in might look marginally different (better? worse?). I think the "necessary evil" bit is implicit fatalism coupled with insidious classism.  
    Settle down. Scalping can be reselling for $50 above original price or $1000. Has nothing to do with classism or fatalism. Just the realization that sometimes the things we hate actually have some value to some people. 
    Well, yeah, detestable things often have value to some people. But the nature of those things and the people who value them packs a lot into your sense of "necessary," doesn't it?
  • MickeyMouse
    MickeyMouse Posts: 1,057
    ecdanc said:
    MickeyMouse said:
    ecdanc said:
    MickeyMouse said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Yea most professional scalpers/brokers will list their inventory across all platforms. 

    Again, the system worked. The percentage of tickets on the secondary market is remarkably low, which is what they wanted. 

    It sounds to me while reading this thread that some people are slowly realizing that scalpers are a necessary evil. For years all I read on this board were "bots and scalpers ruin it for everyone! Die!" and now all I see are "you know, this really hurts the people who didn't get tickets because now we have nowhere to go to get them..."
    Necessary? In the sense that people with the funds/motivation to buy from scalpers need them to get into shows, I suppose you're right. But let's imagine a world without scalping. How do the shows/crowds themselves differ? Some people are shut out, but others get in. Who gets in might look marginally different (better? worse?). I think the "necessary evil" bit is implicit fatalism coupled with insidious classism.  
    Settle down. Scalping can be reselling for $50 above original price or $1000. Has nothing to do with classism or fatalism. Just the realization that sometimes the things we hate actually have some value to some people. 
    Well, yeah, detestable things often have value to some people. But the nature of those things and the people who value them packs a lot into your sense of "necessary," doesn't it?
    Necessary is subjective and only applies to those people who need or want it. I’m not looking to argue or get into philosophical debate. You’re picking apart my point and making it something much larger than it is. Too much for me on a Saturday morning so you win. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,396
    GreenDiseaseFree said:
    Fellow 10Cs
    while I share the anxiety, disappointment, frustration we all have gone through this last week or so regarding leg 1 of this tour: 10C request, verified fan sucking, public on sale with the goddamn blue man walking, or staying put, “2000+ in front of you”, and all the crap, I didn’t see anyone post something very interesting I noticed tonight:
    As of this post, about 10 hours after the public on sale, ONLY New York and Denver are showing tickets on StubHub.
    Specifically,  MSG only has 34 GA tickets posted, Denver only 4 tickets in GA
    While there are over 300 total tickets for MSG listed (for now) that many or most of you deserve over the fucking dirtbags that steal and resell our much sought after tickets, can’t this be looked at as an actual overall victory?
    339 total MSG tickets posted is a small number compared to the whole arena.
    Zero postings for Baltimore
    Zero postings for STL
    Zero postings for Nashville (which I personally was shut out of in 10C, verified fan, and public sale)
    Zero postings for OKC, Oakland
    Anyway, while the resell market is not limited to StubHub, my point is, doesn’t this appear, at least at a first glance, this process worked for us all?
    The majority of the tickets “look” to be in the hands of the Faithfull, and that, to me anyway, shows that this whole thing might just have worked the way it’s was intended. 
    I have to obviously note to myself that in a week, this post may backfire on me, but I fucking hate scalpers, I hate TM even more for “feeing” the shit out of reasonable concert tickets, and just overall being dicks, but I cannot help but feel like the band and this process did in fact work more for us than against us.
    Am I missing something at this time and ranted for no reason?


    Their goal in ticketing life is to eliminate scalping.

    but several decisions they made created the worst scalping situation in the history of concerts.

    when you insist on your right to play where you want and not line up with demand, and in effect play zero shows in the east, and limit the power of fans to buy and sell, you get the MSG debacle of 2020. For the record books.
  • erocshifty
    erocshifty Posts: 1,170
    edited January 2020
    I got incredibly lucky and scored a $40 ticket to Charlottesville on StuHub back in 2013. But the cheapest for Charlotte was around $1,000. It's all a lottery either way when it comes to tickets to big acts nowadays. 

    I commend PJ/10 Club on this sale. They probably got what they could. The flat fee was also welcomed. I caught 3 Metallica shows last year and paid 3 different prices. Their management talked about raising prices 3 times over with no pushback in an article from 2016. They'd love for RHCP to Tour more, but Flea doesn't want to go out unless they have new music to play. Cheers to Flea for not wanting to become a heritage act. :rock_on: There's a ton of bands that just go out and flog their greatest hits year after year. Look at the Trifecta of Hair Metal Nostalgia Tour that'll be hitting stadiums this Summer, lol.

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7290324/q-prime-cliff-burnstein-peter-mensch-managing-metallica-33-years

    Adam Ruins Everything did an episode about the concert market that was very eye opening a few months back. The current concert market is a free for all, really. Pearl Jam is one of the few big bands that actually does try to look out for its' fans in this respect. 


    Post edited by erocshifty on
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  • ejk1280
    ejk1280 Posts: 86
    Lerxst1992 said:
    GreenDiseaseFree said:
    Fellow 10Cs
    while I share the anxiety, disappointment, frustration we all have gone through this last week or so regarding leg 1 of this tour: 10C request, verified fan sucking, public on sale with the goddamn blue man walking, or staying put, “2000+ in front of you”, and all the crap, I didn’t see anyone post something very interesting I noticed tonight:
    As of this post, about 10 hours after the public on sale, ONLY New York and Denver are showing tickets on StubHub.
    Specifically,  MSG only has 34 GA tickets posted, Denver only 4 tickets in GA
    While there are over 300 total tickets for MSG listed (for now) that many or most of you deserve over the fucking dirtbags that steal and resell our much sought after tickets, can’t this be looked at as an actual overall victory?
    339 total MSG tickets posted is a small number compared to the whole arena.
    Zero postings for Baltimore
    Zero postings for STL
    Zero postings for Nashville (which I personally was shut out of in 10C, verified fan, and public sale)
    Zero postings for OKC, Oakland
    Anyway, while the resell market is not limited to StubHub, my point is, doesn’t this appear, at least at a first glance, this process worked for us all?
    The majority of the tickets “look” to be in the hands of the Faithfull, and that, to me anyway, shows that this whole thing might just have worked the way it’s was intended. 
    I have to obviously note to myself that in a week, this post may backfire on me, but I fucking hate scalpers, I hate TM even more for “feeing” the shit out of reasonable concert tickets, and just overall being dicks, but I cannot help but feel like the band and this process did in fact work more for us than against us.
    Am I missing something at this time and ranted for no reason?


    Their goal in ticketing life is to eliminate scalping.

    but several decisions they made created the worst scalping situation in the history of concerts.

    when you insist on your right to play where you want and not line up with demand, and in effect play zero shows in the east, and limit the power of fans to buy and sell, you get the MSG debacle of 2020. For the record books.
    Bingo.  I’ve come to the realization that I’m biting the bullet now rather then later for MSG. This ticket isn’t falling back to earth anytime soon.  It will be disgusting to see prices closer to the show.  
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Lerxst1992 said:
    GreenDiseaseFree said:
    Fellow 10Cs
    while I share the anxiety, disappointment, frustration we all have gone through this last week or so regarding leg 1 of this tour: 10C request, verified fan sucking, public on sale with the goddamn blue man walking, or staying put, “2000+ in front of you”, and all the crap, I didn’t see anyone post something very interesting I noticed tonight:
    As of this post, about 10 hours after the public on sale, ONLY New York and Denver are showing tickets on StubHub.
    Specifically,  MSG only has 34 GA tickets posted, Denver only 4 tickets in GA
    While there are over 300 total tickets for MSG listed (for now) that many or most of you deserve over the fucking dirtbags that steal and resell our much sought after tickets, can’t this be looked at as an actual overall victory?
    339 total MSG tickets posted is a small number compared to the whole arena.
    Zero postings for Baltimore
    Zero postings for STL
    Zero postings for Nashville (which I personally was shut out of in 10C, verified fan, and public sale)
    Zero postings for OKC, Oakland
    Anyway, while the resell market is not limited to StubHub, my point is, doesn’t this appear, at least at a first glance, this process worked for us all?
    The majority of the tickets “look” to be in the hands of the Faithfull, and that, to me anyway, shows that this whole thing might just have worked the way it’s was intended. 
    I have to obviously note to myself that in a week, this post may backfire on me, but I fucking hate scalpers, I hate TM even more for “feeing” the shit out of reasonable concert tickets, and just overall being dicks, but I cannot help but feel like the band and this process did in fact work more for us than against us.
    Am I missing something at this time and ranted for no reason?


    Their goal in ticketing life is to eliminate scalping.

    but several decisions they made created the worst scalping situation in the history of concerts.

    when you insist on your right to play where you want and not line up with demand, and in effect play zero shows in the east, and limit the power of fans to buy and sell, you get the MSG debacle of 2020. For the record books.
    Serious question: wouldn't refusing to play in NY (and CO, and any other states with similar transferability laws) be a solution? Yes, playing more shows might ameliorate things, but adding another MSG show wouldn't eliminate the secondary market. So, setting aside the scalpers' efforts to find workarounds for the other shows (like we're seeing on Ebay), wouldn't playing only in states where they can restrict resale to the F2F system solve the problem you describe?
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,444
    ecdanc said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Honestly? Good. I have no other way of getting to these gigs. So I’m glad they’re showing up on these sites. 
    Sigh. 
    Sigh what? Did you get tickets through the lottery? I didn’t. So what? I shouldn’t buy on stubhub if I can’t score an extra pair from a fellow member,  who isn’t trying to trade an extra pair for another show? I don’t get the sigh 
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,444
    MickeyMouse said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Triberjay25 said:
    https://vipseats.com/search?q=pearl+jam

    Starting to pop up on more major scalper sites.  VIP Seats is a pretty well known legit site, they have tickets to every show......
    It's  the exact same software with the exact same ticket listings as the link provided above.
    Yea most professional scalpers/brokers will list their inventory across all platforms. 

    Again, the system worked. The percentage of tickets on the secondary market is remarkably low, which is what they wanted. 

    It sounds to me while reading this thread that some people are slowly realizing that scalpers are a necessary evil. For years all I read on this board were "bots and scalpers ruin it for everyone! Die!" and now all I see are "you know, this really hurts the people who didn't get tickets because now we have nowhere to go to get them..."
    I’m in that camp. Hated scalpers but I guess you don’t know what you got till it’s gone? I will need to go to the secondary market for msg. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,731
    I am really curious how the F2F works out.  Obviously in a restricted market the scalpers won't be scooping up these tickets for the same reasons mentioned above (i.e. who the hell is going to pay for a ticketmaster login) and it might just end up being perfect.

    This might be the true solution to scalping.  If so I like it.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,444
    ecdanc said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    GreenDiseaseFree said:
    Fellow 10Cs
    while I share the anxiety, disappointment, frustration we all have gone through this last week or so regarding leg 1 of this tour: 10C request, verified fan sucking, public on sale with the goddamn blue man walking, or staying put, “2000+ in front of you”, and all the crap, I didn’t see anyone post something very interesting I noticed tonight:
    As of this post, about 10 hours after the public on sale, ONLY New York and Denver are showing tickets on StubHub.
    Specifically,  MSG only has 34 GA tickets posted, Denver only 4 tickets in GA
    While there are over 300 total tickets for MSG listed (for now) that many or most of you deserve over the fucking dirtbags that steal and resell our much sought after tickets, can’t this be looked at as an actual overall victory?
    339 total MSG tickets posted is a small number compared to the whole arena.
    Zero postings for Baltimore
    Zero postings for STL
    Zero postings for Nashville (which I personally was shut out of in 10C, verified fan, and public sale)
    Zero postings for OKC, Oakland
    Anyway, while the resell market is not limited to StubHub, my point is, doesn’t this appear, at least at a first glance, this process worked for us all?
    The majority of the tickets “look” to be in the hands of the Faithfull, and that, to me anyway, shows that this whole thing might just have worked the way it’s was intended. 
    I have to obviously note to myself that in a week, this post may backfire on me, but I fucking hate scalpers, I hate TM even more for “feeing” the shit out of reasonable concert tickets, and just overall being dicks, but I cannot help but feel like the band and this process did in fact work more for us than against us.
    Am I missing something at this time and ranted for no reason?


    Their goal in ticketing life is to eliminate scalping.

    but several decisions they made created the worst scalping situation in the history of concerts.

    when you insist on your right to play where you want and not line up with demand, and in effect play zero shows in the east, and limit the power of fans to buy and sell, you get the MSG debacle of 2020. For the record books.
    Serious question: wouldn't refusing to play in NY (and CO, and any other states with similar transferability laws) be a solution? Yes, playing more shows might ameliorate things, but adding another MSG show wouldn't eliminate the secondary market. So, setting aside the scalpers' efforts to find workarounds for the other shows (like we're seeing on Ebay), wouldn't playing only in states where they can restrict resale to the F2F system solve the problem you describe?
    No way. Msg doesn’t need PJ to play that building. They’ll be fine without them. One band , no matter how big, will not make a dent. 

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