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Fellow 10Cs
while I share the anxiety, disappointment, frustration we all have gone through this last week or so regarding leg 1 of this tour: 10C request, verified fan sucking, public on sale with the goddamn blue man walking, or staying put, “2000+ in front of you”, and all the crap, I didn’t see anyone post something very interesting I noticed tonight:
As of this post, about 10 hours after the public on sale, ONLY New York and Denver are showing tickets on StubHub.
Specifically,  MSG only has 34 GA tickets posted, Denver only 4 tickets in GA
While there are over 300 total tickets for MSG listed (for now) that many or most of you deserve over the fucking dirtbags that steal and resell our much sought after tickets, can’t this be looked at as an actual overall victory?
339 total MSG tickets posted is a small number compared to the whole arena.
Zero postings for Baltimore
Zero postings for STL
Zero postings for Nashville (which I personally was shut out of in 10C, verified fan, and public sale)
Zero postings for OKC, Oakland
Anyway, while the resell market is not limited to StubHub, my point is, doesn’t this appear, at least at a first glance, this process worked for us all?
The majority of the tickets “look” to be in the hands of the Faithfull, and that, to me anyway, shows that this whole thing might just have worked the way it’s was intended. 
I have to obviously note to myself that in a week, this post may backfire on me, but I fucking hate scalpers, I hate TM even more for “feeing” the shit out of reasonable concert tickets, and just overall being dicks, but I cannot help but feel like the band and this process did in fact work more for us than against us.
Am I missing something at this time and ranted for no reason?
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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,421
    Totally agree.
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  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,817
    I'm with you, I hate scalpers.  If I had not scored tickets for both my choices (LA) I would have relied on fellow club members to score a place in the Forum.  I don't exactly know what the Verified Fan thing was, but I assume it had to do with the public sale?  Anyway, I hope the majority here are getting to see this band at reasonable prices.  If you go the scalping avenue, you're feeding the beast.  
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  • symptomsfadesymptomsfade Posts: 252

  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,186
    Only msg and Denver are legally allowed to be transferred. 
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    edited January 2020
    Not bad, not bad, in the grand scheme of things. I just hope they learn and tweak. The stuff that didn't work is easily fixable.

    People in the NE are salty but that's demand, not the process.
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,750
    The losers , as few as there may be, are worse off then ever. It’s almost a lotto or bust situation. There may be more upside , yes. But the downside is the worst ever. Without the secondary market as an option, lottery losers are beat. I will be at msg. I will bite the bullet and buy off stubhub. I will have to go alone and my wife will miss it because two tickets will be absurdly expensive. 
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,421
    BennyLaRue said:
    Not bad, not bad. I just hope they learn and tweak. The stuff that didn't work is easily fixable.

    Also... if we get a proper tour with the standard 2 night stands in NY, Philly, and Boston in the fall there should be a lot less people shut out. 
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  • pearljammr78pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    I went 0-6 in the lottery but that’s why it’s a lottery. Can’t all win. But I agree the Fan to Fan option and limiting the demand for scalpers in almost all markets. (And shame on you NYC and Colorado for allowing the crime that is scalping over face value.) but 10 club and Pearl Jam as a whole did this almost perfectly. I am upset but more at myself and the abortion that’s Ticketmaster. The fan club lottery was a mess for La and Oak. My wife never received either email for either Oak show. She had to email and was told that she lost both. The verified sale I have read was atrocious. And the public sale was horrible. That fucking guy. 2000+ and the guy is still walking. I’m 2000+ in a real line and I’m not walking like a douche except the other way to leave. Ticketmaster shit the bed but major kudos to PJ for same priced tickets and making strong in their demands to Ticketmaster. I believe I read right that this is the first time in America it’s fan to fan sales only. God bless Pearl Jam and their love of their fans. No price gouging. I believe these shows are going to epic next level shit from PJ.  
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  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    nicknyr15 said:
    The losers , as few as there may be, are worse off then ever. It’s almost a lotto or bust situation. There may be more upside , yes. But the downside is the worst ever. Without the secondary market as an option, lottery losers are beat. I will be at msg. I will bite the bullet and buy off stubhub. I will have to go alone and my wife will miss it because two tickets will be absurdly expensive. 
    You'll have to explain to me how the old 10C process would have been better for MSG when maybe 200,000+ fans wanted tickets.
  • Saltzy23Saltzy23 Posts: 1,350
    edited January 2020
    nicknyr15 said:
    The losers , as few as there may be, are worse off then ever. It’s almost a lotto or bust situation. There may be more upside , yes. But the downside is the worst ever. Without the secondary market as an option, lottery losers are beat. I will be at msg. I will bite the bullet and buy off stubhub. I will have to go alone and my wife will miss it because two tickets will be absurdly expensive. 
    You my friend, are a true fan.

    Overall I guess I am OK with how they handled this, but there are some tweaks that definitely need to be made to smooth it over.

    The yin to this whole yang is that there are going to be people like me that make crazy early planning decisions to try and beat the masses like buy non-refundable hotel rooms and train tickets to Baltimore that would never have even imagined there would literally be no way in if they didn't pull it off during the 1st 3 sales of this thing. Not expensive or a pain in the ass. Actually, literally basically impossible.  It didn't even enter my brain as being in the realm of possibility.

    I still have faith I will figure it out, but it is going to be a tremendous pain in the ass and probably wind up costing me the ability to go to  either show with anyone I know as my best best at this point is to just to trade my MSG +1 for someone down there's +1 to the Baltimore show.

    It is what it is, but it kinda blows.


    Post edited by Saltzy23 on
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,750
    BennyLaRue said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    The losers , as few as there may be, are worse off then ever. It’s almost a lotto or bust situation. There may be more upside , yes. But the downside is the worst ever. Without the secondary market as an option, lottery losers are beat. I will be at msg. I will bite the bullet and buy off stubhub. I will have to go alone and my wife will miss it because two tickets will be absurdly expensive. 
    You'll have to explain to me how the old 10C process would have been better for MSG when maybe 200,000+ fans wanted tickets.
    I don’t have all the answers and I’m not claiming to. I just know that stubhub was usually a realistic option to get in the building. Now, it’s not. And that kinda blows. So basically if you lost the lottery, you’re beat. I’m saying this without really knowing how  fan to fan will play out. 
  • MickeyMouseMickeyMouse Posts: 1,055
    Of course it worked. The silent majority agrees with you. The loudest people on this forum are the ones who aren't thinking logically or clearly and are acting like the band and Ticketmaster just killed their family and ate their dog.

    Less than 2% of MSG tickets are on StubHub. The fans won. There is no debate or argument to be made against that. Numbers don't lie. Just because YOU didn't win, doesn't mean the new system is flawed.

    MOST people who requested tickets in the lotto got them. Just like they said. They (reportedly) doubled the amount of tickets for 10C. That's incredible. This is above and beyond any other fan club I know of. 

    The fan-to-fan exchange for the other shows deterred scalpers because there is no money to be made.

    Ticket prices are marginally more than for the 2016 tour and in line (or less) than other major "legacy" touring bands.

    The majority of complaints I've read on this board the past few weeks come from people who are uninformed, assume they know better, or are just entitled and self-centered beyond anything I've ever seen.

    Had this been a traditional tour with 2 night in NY, 2 in Philly, Boston, etc., the praise on this forum would be near universal. The problem isn't the system, it's the lack of shows they chose to do on this first leg that led to demand far outweighing supply in VERY FEW cities. 
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  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    nicknyr15 said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    The losers , as few as there may be, are worse off then ever. It’s almost a lotto or bust situation. There may be more upside , yes. But the downside is the worst ever. Without the secondary market as an option, lottery losers are beat. I will be at msg. I will bite the bullet and buy off stubhub. I will have to go alone and my wife will miss it because two tickets will be absurdly expensive. 
    You'll have to explain to me how the old 10C process would have been better for MSG when maybe 200,000+ fans wanted tickets.
    I don’t have all the answers and I’m not claiming to. I just know that stubhub was usually a realistic option to get in the building. Now, it’s not. And that kinda blows. So basically if you lost the lottery, you’re beat. I’m saying this without really knowing how  fan to fan will play out. 
    You still have StubHub in NY though. The insane prices aren't caused by the new process, it's supply and demand.
  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    edited January 2020
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Only msg and Denver are legally allowed to be transferred. 
    You mean legally mandated.  Transferability is allowed anywhere. .  Only in NY and Colorado  are you not allowed to take that transferrability away.
    Post edited by rollings on
  • MyBitterHands76MyBitterHands76 Posts: 346
    on2legs said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    Not bad, not bad. I just hope they learn and tweak. The stuff that didn't work is easily fixable.

    Also... if we get a proper tour with the standard 2 night stands in NY, Philly, and Boston in the fall there should be a lot less people shut out. 
    I agree. Seems like when there’s two shows in Philly, Boston and NYC area (Brooklyn, North New Jersey, or Manhattan) tickets are just easier to get a hold off,  and it seems like barely anyone gets shut out. This time it seems like a good amount of people got shut out. 
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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 11,459
    edited January 2020
    My friend saw this on eBay. Apparently there are tickets to multiple shows listed there. I can only assume this lister got GA tickets from 10C since I doubt anyone got them from the public sale. Someone should set up a sting operation to catch these guys and make sure they don’t win any more 10C lotteries. 


    Post edited by GlowGirl on
  • erocshiftyerocshifty Posts: 1,170
    MF117973 said:
    My friend saw this on eBay. Apparently there are tickets to multiple shows listed there. I can only assume this lister got GA tickets from 10C since I doubt anyone got them from the public sale. Someone should set up a sting operation to catch these guys and make sure they don’t win any more 10C lotteries. 


    Of course, I see the flippers are still gonna get theirs, meh. 
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  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,398
    MF117973 said:
    My friend saw this on eBay. Apparently there are tickets to multiple shows listed there. I can only assume this lister got GA tickets from 10C since I doubt anyone got them from the public sale. Someone should set up a sting operation to catch these guys and make sure they don’t win any more 10C lotteries. 


    Did you email to the 10c? Get this guy’s membership pulled.
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  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,657
    Next time the scalpers will open thousands of new emails, win tickets,  and sell burner phones with the tickets logged in by mail. 
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  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,398
    PJammer4life said:
    Next time the scalpers will open thousands of new emails, win tickets,  and sell burner phones with the tickets logged in by mail. 
    Don’t give them ideas! :)
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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 11,459
    OceansJenny said:
    MF117973 said:
    My friend saw this on eBay. Apparently there are tickets to multiple shows listed there. I can only assume this lister got GA tickets from 10C since I doubt anyone got them from the public sale. Someone should set up a sting operation to catch these guys and make sure they don’t win any more 10C lotteries. 


    Did you email to the 10c? Get this guy’s membership pulled.
    If I knew who it was I would. 
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    nicknyr15 said:
    The losers , as few as there may be, are worse off then ever. It’s almost a lotto or bust situation. There may be more upside , yes. But the downside is the worst ever. Without the secondary market as an option, lottery losers are beat. I will be at msg. I will bite the bullet and buy off stubhub. I will have to go alone and my wife will miss it because two tickets will be absurdly expensive. 
    Exactly. They only people who won are 10c and people who won. This new way screws people who lost out. What happens to the loyal fan who gets shut out both pre sales and general sale, they now have to rely on this fan to fan exchange. What happens if they get shut out of that too, it's SOL for them, correct? I didn't sign up for the TM sale cause the 10c odds were pretty good for Res and MSG was my only choice. Silly me for not signing up for the TM pre sale, considering I have better luck with them. I used stubhub in 2016 and will gladly use them again. 
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,176
    MF117973 said:
    OceansJenny said:
    MF117973 said:
    My friend saw this on eBay. Apparently there are tickets to multiple shows listed there. I can only assume this lister got GA tickets from 10C since I doubt anyone got them from the public sale. Someone should set up a sting operation to catch these guys and make sure they don’t win any more 10C lotteries. 


    Did you email to the 10c? Get this guy’s membership pulled.
    If I knew who it was I would. 
    They have ways of finding out
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  • jimjam1982jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,437
    Just curious.. GA is 10C only. Cant they revoke those tickets if they are being sold above face per 10C rules? I mean they can be transferred in NY and CO per law but the law shouldnt trump the face value restrictions applied by 10C regulations. I could be wrong though I'm not well versed on the laws.
  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    jimjam1982 said:
    Just curious.. GA is 10C only. Cant they revoke those tickets if they are being sold above face per 10C rules? I mean they can be transferred in NY and CO per law but the law shouldnt trump the face value restrictions applied by 10C regulations. I could be wrong though I'm not well versed on the laws.
    How do you trace a GA ticket without a seat# or 10C number?
  • erocshiftyerocshifty Posts: 1,170
    Fuckin A - In for OKC!  It's a hike, but I  REALLY want to see the band and can break up the trip. WOOHOO! 
    "It's best to live in grace before you're forced to." EV- 10/09/2014 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,565
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Only msg and Denver are legally allowed to be transferred. 
    I don’t think that’s how it is. It isn’t illegal to transfer in other states, it’s just illegal to not allow a transfer in those 2. Big difference.

    I am also surprised if tickets on the public sale are non-transferable. Didn’t think that was the case outside 10c tickets.
  • PJTenFanPJTenFan Posts: 1
    Unfortunately this process didn't work for me and my family. The 4 ticket limit made things difficult as my wife and I wanted to bring our three kids. We had to each queue up to split the 5 tickets (3/2) for the Forum in LA so we could hopefully sit together, but it didn't work. All the tickets available on the row were gone before my wife could move up the queue. By the time I could check availability at the second Forum date or any of the Oakland/San Diego dates, there were no tickets.

    We last saw PJ in Boston 2010 before we had kids, so we were really excited to see them live again considering when my daughter was a baby, "Black" was the only thing that could make her stop crying for her first 6mo of life!

    I am hoping they come back around again on this tour.
  • jimjam1982jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,437
    BennyLaRue said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    Just curious.. GA is 10C only. Cant they revoke those tickets if they are being sold above face per 10C rules? I mean they can be transferred in NY and CO per law but the law shouldnt trump the face value restrictions applied by 10C regulations. I could be wrong though I'm not well versed on the laws.
    How do you trace a GA ticket without a seat# or 10C number?
    Good point. I guess it wouldn't be worth the headache but I'm sure there is a way to identify whose it was once the ticket is issued and scanned in. Anything electronic can be traced to a source. 
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,176
    BennyLaRue said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    Just curious.. GA is 10C only. Cant they revoke those tickets if they are being sold above face per 10C rules? I mean they can be transferred in NY and CO per law but the law shouldnt trump the face value restrictions applied by 10C regulations. I could be wrong though I'm not well versed on the laws.
    How do you trace a GA ticket without a seat# or 10C number?
    I'm sure by the barcode or something
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