Shut out once again. Ten Club, I would like an explanation

Jason7192 said:

pjl44 said:

Since it seems we have to post this every 5 pages or so:

The potential issues being reported have nothing to do with the odds. Even if a given show was really at 25% instead of 99%, it wouldn't explain someone getting in with their 4th pick and someone else losing with their 1st.

The symptom of an odds issue would be 30-40 people getting declined for a show that was at 99%.

Correct. Someone getting tix as their 4th priority while someone with their 2nd priority getting shut out is contradictory to the way 10c explains priority. If there are more seats than priority 1 entries, all priority 1 should get tix. Then they'd start filling priority 2 requests. If tix still remain after that, they'd move to priority 3, etc. Not much anyone can do about it now, but something does seem off.

If that happened to me, I would definitely need an explanation. Did I do something wrong or what? I'm hoping we ultimately see some of those responses from people. Especially if it turns out to be their error - sucks to admit, but it would put others' minds at ease.

CL93527 said:

Jason7192 said:

pjl44 said:

Since it seems we have to post this every 5 pages or so:

The potential issues being reported have nothing to do with the odds. Even if a given show was really at 25% instead of 99%, it wouldn't explain someone getting in with their 4th pick and someone else losing with their 1st.

The symptom of an odds issue would be 30-40 people getting declined for a show that was at 99%.

Correct. Someone getting tix as their 4th priority while someone with their 2nd priority getting shut out is contradictory to the way 10c explains priority. If there are more seats than priority 1 entries, all priority 1 should get tix. Then they'd start filling priority 2 requests. If tix still remain after that, they'd move to priority 3, etc. Not much anyone can do about it now, but something does seem off.

Jason7192 said:

pjl44 said:

Since it seems we have to post this every 5 pages or so:

The potential issues being reported have nothing to do with the odds. Even if a given show was really at 25% instead of 99%, it wouldn't explain someone getting in with their 4th pick and someone else losing with their 1st.

The symptom of an odds issue would be 30-40 people getting declined for a show that was at 99%.

Correct. Someone getting tix as their 4th priority while someone with their 2nd priority getting shut out is contradictory to the way 10c explains priority. If there are more seats than priority 1 entries, all priority 1 should get tix. Then they'd start filling priority 2 requests. If tix still remain after that, they'd move to priority 3, etc. Not much anyone can do about it now, but something does seem off.

i got shut out of both LA shows reserved seating. My only picks at 1 & 2. I dont get it. Still crushed.

I won LA2 with my third priority using best available.  Something is right.  

CL93527 said:

i got shut out of both LA shows reserved seating. My only picks at 1 & 2. I dont get it. Still crushed.

Did you get a confirmation email after entering the lottery? Did you receive rejection emails?

MickeyMouse said:

Sarava said:

agentpinckney said:

That was my mindset on submitting BA at the time, because I thought I'd be in the GA pool from the outset. And if I didn't get a GA ticket, then hopefully I'd score Reserved.

I still think that's how they are doing it. Short of ten club chiming in here, we probably won't have a good idea of how it went down until tickets are revealed the week of January 27th.

That’s how I took it. I assumed that (like in the past) they chose NAMES and looked at your request. 

If you chose GA and GA was full, you lose. If not,
you won. 

If you chose BA and both GA and RS was open, you got GA. If GA was full and RS was open, you got RS. 

I don’t believe they fill up GA first and then move on to RS. I believe they select individual requests and fulfill GA and RS at the same time as they go. 

This.  It's the Name they draw. Everyone has the same chance. It's a lottery some win, some don't. 

one can get a 4th or 5th priority over 1st-3rd pick with 99% odds is they are drawing in rounds and limited numbers each round from all the names.

For example:they put all who entered for the show and draw 1000 random names, of those 1000 names 750 have GA only, 750 GA only won. 2nd round draw another 1000 random names, whoever put in GA only wins and they awards BA also, now GA is gone.
3rd round 1000 names BA and RES people are awarded regardless of priority.

just saying it's possible. No one has a lottery "figured out" me included,  the phrasing in the instructions is a guide and not iron clad, I think there is room for interpretation.  

The odds are are not real, statistically accurate odds.  They are a guide to illustrate the demand for any given show.

the only way everyone has an equal chance is if all the names that put in for a show are in the hat when they draw.

just trying to help explain the anomalies 

darthvedder said:

mace1229 said:

Bmyers said:

cannotstaylong said:

Gonzo1977 said:

cannotstaylong said:

Gonzo1977 said:

OceansJenny said:

I love people getting bent out of shape over the value of a $20/year membership. I’ve seen people spend over $20 at Starbucks.

The ticket rejection pain is real.

Again, I imagine your Starbucks membership usually gets you a Starbucks coffee..No?

10C memberships have not included guaranteed concert tickets for a long time. I honestly don't remember when they did. The issue here is not the 10C membership benefits, it's your expectations.

Again, I ask.... what does your $20.00 membership get you? Nobody has answered that question.
I can tell you this was a hell of a lot easier to answer back in the day when you got : priority seating at shows, annual (sometimes) 45"single, & a newsletter with original artwork. 
  

It gets you the opportunity to purchase tickets, annual bootleg codes, and better seating (as a result of a lower membership number) if you score reserved seating tickets.

If you've been a member for as long as you're implying, then the overall pool of 10C members has grown exponentially since you joined. The pool of people interested in getting tickets is significantly larger. In response to that reality, the band has chosen to extend the opportunity to secure tickets to as many people as possible. Hence, the lottery.

If you disagree with that direction by the band, then you should not renew your membership. It's been this way for a long time, and I doubt it's going to change.

And as our kids and kids friends grow up and listen to more PJ they will start joining the 10C and it will water down the lottery making it harder and harder for everyone to get tickets. It sucks but it is what it is.

A lottery is a lottery, do these poeple go to the Virginia Lottery office and say I bought a ticket for the mega millions and i didn't win.. I'm going cry about it on your forum. 

Shit changes, times change i remember when you didn't have to pay to get your luggage on a plane, I mean WTF is that. Rules change so we have to change, maybe you should read,  Who Moved My Cheese by Spencer Johnson.

I don’t like these lottery analogies that keep coming up. Because according to the rules everyone was basically guaranteed tickets as long as they chose reserved or BA. They do have a complaint when some are getting 5th round picks and others getting denied for priority 1 and 2. Call it a lottery or whatever you want, but that shouldn’t happen.

Now I’m in the camp where I still believe something went wrong, with either their entry or CC that caused this. But that is just a guess at this point.

Ten Club Policies

- Tickets are limited and not guaranteed.

Then tell me what the fuck the odds are for?  

darthvedder said:

mace1229 said:

Bmyers said:

cannotstaylong said:

Gonzo1977 said:

cannotstaylong said:

Gonzo1977 said:

OceansJenny said:

I love people getting bent out of shape over the value of a $20/year membership. I’ve seen people spend over $20 at Starbucks.

The ticket rejection pain is real.

Again, I imagine your Starbucks membership usually gets you a Starbucks coffee..No?

10C memberships have not included guaranteed concert tickets for a long time. I honestly don't remember when they did. The issue here is not the 10C membership benefits, it's your expectations.

Again, I ask.... what does your $20.00 membership get you? Nobody has answered that question.
I can tell you this was a hell of a lot easier to answer back in the day when you got : priority seating at shows, annual (sometimes) 45"single, & a newsletter with original artwork. 
  

It gets you the opportunity to purchase tickets, annual bootleg codes, and better seating (as a result of a lower membership number) if you score reserved seating tickets.

If you've been a member for as long as you're implying, then the overall pool of 10C members has grown exponentially since you joined. The pool of people interested in getting tickets is significantly larger. In response to that reality, the band has chosen to extend the opportunity to secure tickets to as many people as possible. Hence, the lottery.

If you disagree with that direction by the band, then you should not renew your membership. It's been this way for a long time, and I doubt it's going to change.

And as our kids and kids friends grow up and listen to more PJ they will start joining the 10C and it will water down the lottery making it harder and harder for everyone to get tickets. It sucks but it is what it is.

A lottery is a lottery, do these poeple go to the Virginia Lottery office and say I bought a ticket for the mega millions and i didn't win.. I'm going cry about it on your forum. 

Shit changes, times change i remember when you didn't have to pay to get your luggage on a plane, I mean WTF is that. Rules change so we have to change, maybe you should read,  Who Moved My Cheese by Spencer Johnson.

I don’t like these lottery analogies that keep coming up. Because according to the rules everyone was basically guaranteed tickets as long as they chose reserved or BA. They do have a complaint when some are getting 5th round picks and others getting denied for priority 1 and 2. Call it a lottery or whatever you want, but that shouldn’t happen.

Now I’m in the camp where I still believe something went wrong, with either their entry or CC that caused this. But that is just a guess at this point.

Ten Club Policies

- Tickets are limited and not guaranteed.

You're missing his point to post up a "well akshually"

bootlegger10 said:

darthvedder said:

mace1229 said:

Bmyers said:

cannotstaylong said:

Gonzo1977 said:

cannotstaylong said:

Gonzo1977 said:

OceansJenny said:

I love people getting bent out of shape over the value of a $20/year membership. I’ve seen people spend over $20 at Starbucks.

The ticket rejection pain is real.

Again, I imagine your Starbucks membership usually gets you a Starbucks coffee..No?

10C memberships have not included guaranteed concert tickets for a long time. I honestly don't remember when they did. The issue here is not the 10C membership benefits, it's your expectations.

Again, I ask.... what does your $20.00 membership get you? Nobody has answered that question.
I can tell you this was a hell of a lot easier to answer back in the day when you got : priority seating at shows, annual (sometimes) 45"single, & a newsletter with original artwork. 
  

It gets you the opportunity to purchase tickets, annual bootleg codes, and better seating (as a result of a lower membership number) if you score reserved seating tickets.

If you've been a member for as long as you're implying, then the overall pool of 10C members has grown exponentially since you joined. The pool of people interested in getting tickets is significantly larger. In response to that reality, the band has chosen to extend the opportunity to secure tickets to as many people as possible. Hence, the lottery.

If you disagree with that direction by the band, then you should not renew your membership. It's been this way for a long time, and I doubt it's going to change.

And as our kids and kids friends grow up and listen to more PJ they will start joining the 10C and it will water down the lottery making it harder and harder for everyone to get tickets. It sucks but it is what it is.

A lottery is a lottery, do these poeple go to the Virginia Lottery office and say I bought a ticket for the mega millions and i didn't win.. I'm going cry about it on your forum. 

Shit changes, times change i remember when you didn't have to pay to get your luggage on a plane, I mean WTF is that. Rules change so we have to change, maybe you should read,  Who Moved My Cheese by Spencer Johnson.

I don’t like these lottery analogies that keep coming up. Because according to the rules everyone was basically guaranteed tickets as long as they chose reserved or BA. They do have a complaint when some are getting 5th round picks and others getting denied for priority 1 and 2. Call it a lottery or whatever you want, but that shouldn’t happen.

Now I’m in the camp where I still believe something went wrong, with either their entry or CC that caused this. But that is just a guess at this point.

Ten Club Policies

- Tickets are limited and not guaranteed.

Then tell me what the fuck the odds are for?  

Fodder 

cincybearcat said:

ForceofNature101 said:

hadfiiw said:

Apologies if this was already mentioned (I didn't read all 28 pages of the thread) but could a total shutout of a 99% show happen if the TicketMaster email on the account didn't match the TenClub email account?

I seem to remember that they have to match - hell, I had to open up a second (new) TM account just for this as my original TM and TC accounts did not match.

Was it 99% odds at the time of the lottery request being submitted or at the time of the ticket draw?  Not that I am any expert on any of this, but I heard some people say that the percent chance for a lot of shows dropped dramatically the day of whereas it was 99% the first day you enter it 

According to the last seen % before it closed, all shows were 99% for seats except Baltimore and MSG.

Thanks for the info, I didn't really pay too much attention for odds on mine for LA 1+2 so was not sure of the odds regarding changes over time

BennyLaRue said:

Lerxst1992 said:

So Moses came back and said  he highly doubts it’s email related.

Fans will go to extreme lengths defending this ticket system, even accuse those losing out of lying. Anything to protect the golden goose. But this system is not defeating the scalping problem without a cost to the consumer. They are simply replacing that one problem with other problems.

Because the simplest answer is usually the right one.

Think about it. Moses said his TM email was different and the ticket selection occurred in the TM site. Field auto-population happens a lot with browsers and on that site, it would have autoed the TM email. Or, if someone uses two emails a lot, it's easy to forget which is for what and it could be typed in incorrectly.

It's not a major fuck up, it's easy to do and just as easily could have happened to anyone. I'm not defending anything - just trying to be rational. Not a fan of major conspiracy theories without evidence, especially when everyone gets all riled up as a result.

Between here and Facebook, I've seen at least 20 cases where if you just peel back the layers a bit, the person either put in all GA or didn't follow the instructions, or resubmitted or didn't get a rejection email yet. I've yet to see one open and shut case of TM fuckery.

I thought Moses said (really loving that's his user name BTW) he highly doubted it was email mismatch. But you are right, things like autofill and even autocorrect can make errors easier even for fans that triple check their entry

Another challenge is the major email apps encourage users to consolidate all emails into one inbox. I've always resisted that. I want to know exactly which account I am looking at.

So would a simple check for moses have been if the TM lotto entry email was received in the same email account as his 10c emails? Having a consolidated inbox could really hurt in this situation.