Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Not sure if anyone posted this yet.  Either way deserves a repost


  • if this general was as evil as everyone is making him out to be, having killed hundreds of americans, how is that not comparable? I find that HIGHLY comparable. 
    One major difference, one was the leader of a nationless terrorist organization and the other was the number 2 “leader” of a sovereign nation. Believe it or not, there are rules of engagement for war and how nations treat one another. What Team Trump Treason did was tell anyone not happy with a country’s leadership, that it’s ok to drone strike them at an airport in a third party country.

    Obama surely asked detailed and pertinent questions regarding risk, both immediate and 10 steps down the line. He analyzed and considered the potential ramifications. Team Trump Treason? Not so much. There should be a House investigation regarding the “imminent” threat justification and someone should ask those informing Team Trump Treason of the opportunity, what questions he asked during the deliberations.

    Darth Cheney and Rumsfeld are responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis. Are you okay with them being drone striked in London or Paris or Denver?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,459
    Neil Peart died?!?WTF!?!
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,431
    if trump did this at the behest of gop senators, who are the jury in the impeachment trial, i would argue this is another quid pro quo and impeachable in and of itself. abuse of power.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,431
    mickeyrat said:
    Jan 7. Glioblastoma. 3 1/2 yr fight...
    damn that is sad. fuck cancer.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • if trump did this at the behest of gop senators, who are the jury in the impeachment trial, i would argue this is another quid pro quo and impeachable in and of itself. abuse of power.
    House intelligence committee should subpoena every ambassador and ask them if they were put on a high level “imminent” threat alert. Start with Iraq and work out from there. Subpoena all State Department emails and documents from 10 days prior to 10 days post. Then bring Pompouspeo before the committee.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    if trump did this at the behest of gop senators, who are the jury in the impeachment trial, i would argue this is another quid pro quo and impeachable in and of itself. abuse of power.



    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/report-trump-cited-impeachment-pressure-to-kill-soleimani.html
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,431
    trump is giving americans PTSD. i shit you not.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    Jan 7. Glioblastoma. 3 1/2 yr fight...
    Damn... Unlike Buck, I love everybody.  Well maybe not halifax, so almost everybody...

    Yeah maybe Halifax too, what the hell...
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,006
    dignin said:



    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/report-trump-cited-impeachment-pressure-to-kill-soleimani.html
    Didn’t Clinton make the same play in ‘98?  I can’t rememer the damn country he bombed. Somewhere in Africa maybe?  (Disclaimer: Not deflecting, honest question.  Clinton is the best president I have lived through.)
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    edited January 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Didn’t Clinton make the same play in ‘98?  I can’t rememer the damn country he bombed. Somewhere in Africa maybe?  (Disclaimer: Not deflecting, honest question.  Clinton is the best president I have lived through.)
    Think it was Serbia in 99. But as far as I know he never went around stupidly bragging about how he did it to help him sway senators in his impeachment trial.

    Trump is so dumb.

    Edit: Looks like it was actually Iraq.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-clinton-both-launched-iraq-airstrikes-during-impeachment-2020-1
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,006
    Exc
    dignin said:
    Think it was Serbia in 99. But as far as I know he never went around stupidly bragging about how he did it to help him sway senators in his impeachment trial.

    Trump is so dumb.

    Edit: Looks like it was actually Iraq.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-clinton-both-launched-iraq-airstrikes-during-impeachment-2020-1
    Excellent find. Thank you.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,459
    small distinction but Trump has already been impeached. Clinton ordered this amidst his inquiry before impeachment.


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  • dignin said:
    Think it was Serbia in 99. But as far as I know he never went around stupidly bragging about how he did it to help him sway senators in his impeachment trial.

    Trump is so dumb.

    Edit: Looks like it was actually Iraq.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-clinton-both-launched-iraq-airstrikes-during-impeachment-2020-1
    I think the “wag the dog” deflect from impeachment air strikes were an empty, but for the security guard, pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, that bin Laden allegedly invested in or something like that. But I could be confused.
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  • Damn... Unlike Buck, I love everybody.  Well maybe not halifax, so almost everybody...

    Yeah maybe Halifax too, what the hell...
    Is that like me saying, “honored, not honored?”
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,006
    I think the “wag the dog” deflect from impeachment air strikes were an empty, but for the security guard, pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, that bin Laden allegedly invested in or something like that. But I could be confused.
    Didn’t turn out to be a baby formula plant?
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    Didn’t turn out to be a baby formula plant?
    Maybe or maybe it was both? No time to google now.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,006
    Maybe or maybe it was both? No time to google now.
    Just looked it up, you were right.    Pharmaceutical plant.  

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,146
    mrussel1 said:
    For the record, Trump has killed more people with drones in the first year of his presidency than Obama did in his whole 8 years.  http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/trump-has-killed-more-civilians-with-illegal-drone-strikes-in-9-months-than-obama-did-in-8-years  Not trying to contradict you for the sake of it, but don't want people walking around with bad info that I hear in more than a few places. 

    But I agree with your overall assessment.  Obama did not make all the right calls militarily.  There were massive mistakes in Libya for sure.  At the same time, I generally feel like he was deliberate and thoughtful about his very, very tough decisions.  Trump strikes me as impulsive, lacking a moral center, lacking empathy, and generally devoid of any guiding principle other than his own personal benefit.  Being president is hard.  Wielding decisions concerning life and death are stressful to any normal human being.  I'm empathetic to such difficult choices that one has to make.  It's just that from a strategic standpoint, I was very critical of the decision that night, as I"m sure you know.  And add to it the collateral damage, and that's where I'm coming from.  And where are we now?  Trump says he wants to start negotiating for de-nuking.  What in the fuckity fuck?  He blows up long term policies, tries to put them back to precisely how they were, and claims victory.  It's really upsetting.  
    oh my god i had no idea. thank you for setting me straight. i honestly had no idea. how is this not being reported in MSM? to me it's simply outrageous that we have gotten to a point where collateral damage is just part of the gig now. our soldiers lives are more important than those of civilians? these people didn't sign up for this. it should be considered a war crime as far as i'm concerned. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,146
    mickeyrat said:
    wsj is owned by murdoch......
    sorry mickey, i thought you'd know i was being sarcastic. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,146
    One major difference, one was the leader of a nationless terrorist organization and the other was the number 2 “leader” of a sovereign nation. Believe it or not, there are rules of engagement for war and how nations treat one another. What Team Trump Treason did was tell anyone not happy with a country’s leadership, that it’s ok to drone strike them at an airport in a third party country.

    Obama surely asked detailed and pertinent questions regarding risk, both immediate and 10 steps down the line. He analyzed and considered the potential ramifications. Team Trump Treason? Not so much. There should be a House investigation regarding the “imminent” threat justification and someone should ask those informing Team Trump Treason of the opportunity, what questions he asked during the deliberations.

    Darth Cheney and Rumsfeld are responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis. Are you okay with them being drone striked in London or Paris or Denver?
    as i have repeatedly said, i am against all murder, no matter who it is. you obviously know the answer to this ridiculous question. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • as i have repeatedly said, i am against all murder, no matter who it is. you obviously know the answer to this ridiculous question. 
    And yet you compared the two, basically saying that because Soleimani was responsible for hundreds of deaths, he’s in the same camp as bin Laden and thus Obama is in the same camp as Team Trump Treason. I explained to you why I believe that’s a false equivalency. Then you frame it as a ridiculous question. Makes sense.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,459
    shame. I do appreciate it being copped to.....

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    All the politicians makin' crazy sounds
    All the dead bodies piles up in mounds
    And, I guess I just don't know.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,220
    trump is giving americans PTSD. i shit you not.

    I would not have thought of it that way, gimme, but after the conversation I had with a good friend earlier this evening, I get it.  This lady friend and my wife and I had a nice dinner and afterwards started out with a pleasant conversation that soon enough, seemingly of its own accord, turned to talking about Trump. 

    It started when I began to leaf through a very nice photo book about Obama and I said, "Oh my god, look at these great pictures."  The images reflected pride, intelligence, joy, concern, hope, conviction, and the people looked like people you would like to meet. 

    But then one of us mentioned Trump and the heaviness descended like a wet blanket in a damp dark fog.  Body language and faces sagged, and we felt worried, unhappy, disillusioned, sad, angry, frustrated.  It was all there- the horrid reality of what has become of so much of America.  We all talked about how this hits us everyday.  Every damn day. 

    And there was one word from this friend was one I had never heard her utter about another person:  "hate".  And we were in agreement.

    It was really hard to end the evening on a more upbeat note.

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  • mcgruff10 said:
    I'm not a trump fan at all but I do try to give credit where credit is due and place blame on the guilty party.  I didn't vote for him last election and will not in the next one either.  (fingers crossed sanders or warren don't get the nom, then I am going third party.)
    lol
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,284
    edited January 2020
    Trump supporters are no longer allowed to use several huge porn subreddits, according to one moderator who's had enough of their bullshit.

    "Trump supporters are now banned, permanently," wrote a moderator for several big porn subreddits who goes by u/luxlutheran. "This rule comes courtesy of the war he just started to cover up his crimes at home. Now every single lying, traitorous, cowardly fascist that supports him isn't just a disgusting human being—now they're murderers too."
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxe5xz/escalating-tensions-with-iran-leads-porn-subreddit-mod-to-ban-republicans?utm_source=reddit.com

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,744
    Iran admits to accidentally shooting down airliner.


    After of course saying it couldn’t have happened and couldn’t have been them.  Just like trump, we can believe a word they say.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,919
    oh my god i had no idea. thank you for setting me straight. i honestly had no idea. how is this not being reported in MSM? to me it's simply outrageous that we have gotten to a point where collateral damage is just part of the gig now. our soldiers lives are more important than those of civilians? these people didn't sign up for this. it should be considered a war crime as far as i'm concerned. 
    I agree 100%
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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