Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2020/1/9/1_4759850.html

Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box.  Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional.  Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick. 

What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran?  What does that accomplish?

how do we know it was an iranian?

are russian special forces in the region?

i find it hard to believe that some rogue iranian platoon would shoot down a commercial airliner. what is the motive in that? who benefits?

Unreal what has transpired in the last two weeks!

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2020/1/9/1_4759850.html

Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box.  Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional.  Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick. 

What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran?  What does that accomplish?

how do we know it was an iranian?

are russian special forces in the region?

i find it hard to believe that some rogue iranian platoon would shoot down a commercial airliner. what is the motive in that? who benefits?

That’s my thoughts, Lavrov probably told Trump to kill Soleimani too.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Man beats wife within an inch of her life, leaves the house
wife is shaken up, unsure what to do. 
wife hears someone coming up the driveway, she panics, finds gun. it's dark, she assumes it's him
she comes outside, shoots and fires and kills the person in the driveway. 
except it wasn't her husband. it was their neighbour. 

who in this situation gets charged with the death of the neighbour, and goes to trial?

Are you suggesting Iran mistook this commercial jet for a military one? Even 1960s radar would easily tell the difference. I have zero doubt they knew exactly what they were shooting at.

1ThoughtKnown said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

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Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?

Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.

Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.

You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.

These type of mistakes should NEVER happen.  Wrong people in charge of things.

Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?

Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.

Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.

You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.

These type of mistakes should NEVER happen.  Wrong people in charge of things.

I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.

2 peas in a pod...

I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.

Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.

See how stupid this all sounds?

Use common sense, his actions are way more direct than that. As always, bending over backwards to defend him.

Regardless, our PM sure was hinting in a press conference that he thinks that America shares some blame. Never outright said it. I guess the reporters asking those questions must be stupid too.

If it was common sense then most people would have it but people blindly blame Trump for literally everything.

I only defend what should be obvious.  You have a whole slew of reporters that can't stand Trump.  You think for a second that if they can make some sort of connection in the slightest to blame him for something they won't?

That's not smart that's brilliantly biased.

this attempt to keep from blaming trump is a joke, right?

he is the commander in chief. he gets the glory when things go right, correct? just like a quarterback. who gets the blame when things go bad? the quarterback. trump is the president. the buck stops with him. period. all of this is trump's fault. he tore up the iran deal that was working well. trump blew up a high ranking general when he did not have to. this provoked the retaliation from iran. a plane was downed. trump knocked down the first domino in the line. everything that happens after that initial move is all trump's responsibility. fuck trump. he needs to go to the hague.

Love it. Fight for what you believe.  Couldn’t agree more with everything you posted. 

thank you. 

i am just sick to death of people defending the indefensible. 

we had other options. we could have used diplomacy. we could have used sanctions. we would have put further restrictions in place. we could have done small military engagements. we could have done a targeted assassination of a high ranking official with a drone. we could have used a nuke. 

fucking moron chose to forego the other routes and blow up the general because he wants to be a war hero. i am disgusted that people would defend this choice. it is easy in hindsight to condemn him, but WHO IN THE HELL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT TO PREDICT THE RESPONSE AND FOLLOWING ACTIONS?? THE FUCKING MILITARY BRASS.

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2020/1/9/1_4759850.html

Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box.  Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional.  Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick. 

What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran?  What does that accomplish?

how do we know it was an iranian?

are russian special forces in the region?

i find it hard to believe that some rogue iranian platoon would shoot down a commercial airliner. what is the motive in that? who benefits?

Well it was 2 miles from Tehran's airport,  so I doubt it was Russian forces.  Anything it's possible I suppose. 

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

someone has to admit fault for this. 

at this point, not to knock our military, but i would not be surprised in the least if we accidently shot it down. i have zero confidence in our military brass. the brass follows orders from the buffoon in chief without question, so i have lost respect for the brass.

How could we fire missiles from the ground wiithin Iran?

RPG in to the fuselage.

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense. 

is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense. 

Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency. 

 I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore.  Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down. 

HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY PREDICTED TRUMP WOULD WIN SO HE CLEARLY DOESN'T NEED TO LISTEN TO THE REST OF Y'ALL'S OPINIONS. 
    -this has been a public service announcement brought to you by HFD

This rivalry escalated swiftly...

SO the Iranians apparently thought the plane was a response to their rocket attack and shot it down....

tbergs said:

This rivalry escalated swiftly...

Meh, we’ve had it out before. Wants me to somehow agree with his point that I simply don’t agree with while I could care less if he agrees with mine 😂.  Trump has pissed me off, I’m fired up. He keeps poking the bear.