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You know, I can understand some for not wanting impeachment inquiry. I think it’s wrong, but I understand. They are worried about what it does to the country (divisive). But we are already there.Ledbetterman10 said:I wonder if those numbers would be different if there wasn't a Mueller investigation and all the hysteria surrounding it. Like, if you just throw out all the Russia stuff, and the first real impeachable offense was him pressuring the Ukrainian president, would there be more people in favor of impeachment? I just feel that they actually have him this time, but there might be people out there that think it's just a baseless attempt to take Trump down because they feel that way about Mueller's investigation.
What i cannot understand is how anyone can objectively look at the data and come up with a “trump did nothing wrong” and it’s “just a witch hunt”.
It was very clear that trump had no interest in protecting future elections by dealing with Russia. Take out the whole question on whether or not he asked for and worked with the Russians. The fact he is ignoring our intelligence community and did nothing is troubling enough.
Now he is doubling down and specifically asking another country to get involved in our election by coming up with dirt on a potential rival. How can anyone look at it all together and think, “there is nothing wrong here”. Heck even if you just think it’s not that bad what he asked of the Ukrainian President....as long as you can see and admit that it was still inappropriate (maybe just not impeachment level) that’s another thing. But there are a whole lot of people ignoring data, ignoring the trend. And all they can do is try to find something bad someone else has done. Why is that ever a reason to not deal with the other issue ill never know.
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2018I think some people are also saying they don't support the inquiry simply because they don't think it will lead to Trump leaving office (and they may well be right obviously) .... I believe they are missing a big part of the point. But that could be another part of why the % of those not supporting it is as high as it is.
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That's how I felt during the Russia probe and talk of impeachment. But this Ukrainian thing is so cut-and-dry that I feel removal from office is actually possible. No need for a two-year investigation and 400-page report. He called the Ukrainian president, asked them to investigate Biden's son, and suggested there'd be a reward for doing it. So this actually has a chance. With a public impeachment trial, maybe some of those GOP Senators might actually feel the pressure to vote to remove him. Maybe...PJ_Soul said:I think some people are also saying they don't support the inquiry simply because they don't think it will lead to Trump leaving office (and they may well be right obviously) .... I believe they are missing a big part of the point. But that could be another part of why the % of those not supporting it is as high as it is.
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Even if people don't think it's bad, and he's dumb enough to think it's not bad, any reasonable lawmaker in any country would know it's an amazing abuse of power to do that. If the Dems can forgo grandstanding like they usually do and really present in an impeachment trial why the Ukranian stuff is grounds for removal, maybe there's a chance the GOP Senators will go along. I think I've heard one of them say that 30 GOP Senators would vote to remove him if it were annomous. Bunch of pussies. A reasonable case presented against Trump might make them have to man-up and do what their job entails.cincybearcat said:
You know, I can understand some for not wanting impeachment inquiry. I think it’s wrong, but I understand. They are worried about what it does to the country (divisive). But we are already there.Ledbetterman10 said:I wonder if those numbers would be different if there wasn't a Mueller investigation and all the hysteria surrounding it. Like, if you just throw out all the Russia stuff, and the first real impeachable offense was him pressuring the Ukrainian president, would there be more people in favor of impeachment? I just feel that they actually have him this time, but there might be people out there that think it's just a baseless attempt to take Trump down because they feel that way about Mueller's investigation.
What i cannot understand is how anyone can objectively look at the data and come up with a “trump did nothing wrong” and it’s “just a witch hunt”.
It was very clear that trump had no interest in protecting future elections by dealing with Russia. Take out the whole question on whether or not he asked for and worked with the Russians. The fact he is ignoring our intelligence community and did nothing is troubling enough.
Now he is doubling down and specifically asking another country to get involved in our election by coming up with dirt on a potential rival. How can anyone look at it all together and think, “there is nothing wrong here”. Heck even if you just think it’s not that bad what he asked of the Ukrainian President....as long as you can see and admit that it was still inappropriate (maybe just not impeachment level) that’s another thing. But there are a whole lot of people ignoring data, ignoring the trend. And all they can do is try to find something bad someone else has done. Why is that ever a reason to not deal with the other issue ill never know.
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House committees subpoena Giuliani for Ukraine documents as part of impeachment inquiry
The three panels gave Rudolph W. Giuliani until Oct. 15 to provide the material. In a statement released Monday, the House Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight committees said Giuliani “admitted on national television that, while serving as the President’s personal attorney, he asked the government of Ukraine to target former Vice President Joe Biden.”
This is a developing story. It will be updated.
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I believe optimistically max 10%The Juggler said:
Well this is a whole hell of a lot more support than during the Russia investigation. I think 10-15% of those 45% can be persuaded....Lerxst1992 said:The Juggler said:Imagine what these numbers will look like once more facts come out
What's scary is the 45%
I dont think there is swaying any of those people.
I think 35% are all in no matter what.
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Attorney General Barr personally asked foreign officials to aid inquiry into CIA, FBI activities in 2016
Attorney General William P. Barr testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee in May. (Shawn Thew/EPA-EFE/REX/Shutterstock)September 30 at 5:11 PMAttorney General William P. Barr has held private meetings overseas with foreign intelligence officials seeking their help in a Justice Department inquiry that President Trump hopes will discredit U.S. intelligence agencies’ examination of Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to people familiar with the matter.
Barr’s personal involvement is likely to stoke further criticism from Democrats pursuing impeachment that he is helping the Trump administration use executive branch powers to augment investigations aimed primarily at the president’s adversaries.
But the high level Justice Department focus on intelligence operatives’ conduct will likely cheer Trump and other conservatives for whom “investigate the investigators” has become a rallying cry.
The direct involvement of the nation’s top law enforcement official shows the priority Barr places on the investigation being conducted by John Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, who has been assigned the sensitive task of reviewing U.S. intelligence work surrounding the 2016 election and its aftermath.
The attorney general’s active role also underscores the degree to which a nearly three-year old election still consumes significant resources and attention inside the federal government. Current and former intelligence and law enforcement officials expressed frustration and alarm Monday that the head of the Justice Department was taking such a direct role in re-examining what they view as conspiracy theories and baseless allegations of misconduct.
Barr has already made overtures to British intelligence officials, and last week the attorney general traveled to Italy, where he and Durham met senior Italian government officials and Barr asked the Italians to assist Durham, according to one person familiar with the matter. It was not Barr’s first trip to Italy to meet intelligence officials, the person said. The Trump administration has made similar requests of Australia, these people said.
A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment.
The president still complains frequently that those involved in the investigation of his campaign should be charged with crimes, asserting the FBI search for possible election season collusion between Russia and Trump campaign officials was a witch hunt, spurred by agents and bureaucrats opposed to Trump becoming president. That investigation ended earlier this year when special counsel Robert S. Mueller III determined there was insufficient evidence to charge any Americans with conspiring with Russia, and declined to reach a decision about whether the president had sought to obstruct justice.
David Laufman, a former Justice Department official who was involved in the early stages of the Russia probe, said it was “fairly unorthodox for the attorney general personally to be flying around the world as a point person to further evidence-gathering for a specific Justice Department investigation,” and especially so in Barr’s case.
“Even if one questions, as a threshold matter, the propriety of conducting a re-investigation of the Justice Department’s own prior investigation of Russia’s interference, the appointment of John Durham — a seasoned, nonpartisan prosecutor — provided some reason to believe that it would be handled in a professional, nonpartisan manner,” Laufman said. “But if the attorney general is essentially running this investigation, that entire premise is out the window.”
This is a developing story and will be updated.
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That's how I felt during the Russia probe and talk of impeachment. But this Ukrainian thing is so cut-and-dry that I feel removal from office is actually possible. No need for a two-year investigation and 400-page report. He called the Ukrainian president, asked them to investigate Biden's son, and suggested there'd be a reward for doing it. So this actually has a chance. With a public impeachment trial, maybe some of those GOP Senators might actually feel the pressure to vote to remove him. Maybe...PJ_Soul said:I think some people are also saying they don't support the inquiry simply because they don't think it will lead to Trump leaving office (and they may well be right obviously) .... I believe they are missing a big part of the point. But that could be another part of why the % of those not supporting it is as high as it is.
It would take 20 Republican senators, or more if senators in trump states like Manchin are unlikely to vote to remove
I'm trying to think of a way out here for Democrats.
The best idea I have is if the House impeachs, then Biden or the democratic nominee publicly asks the senate not to remove him. As in, "let me at him, I'm gonna kick his butt and the people will vote him out."0 -
35% are deplorables and in the basket, yes, this is true.dignin said:
I believe optimistically max 10%The Juggler said:
Well this is a whole hell of a lot more support than during the Russia investigation. I think 10-15% of those 45% can be persuaded....Lerxst1992 said:The Juggler said:Imagine what these numbers will look like once more facts come out
What's scary is the 45%
I dont think there is swaying any of those people.
I think 35% are all in no matter what.
Guess we will see.
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And we’re still connecting dots, yo! Connecting dots is fun! Like, how about whether there are any other dots on the passcode protected server, like dots that should have been turned over during the Team Mueller investigation. You know, like “all notes, transcripts, summaries” of conversations with certain Russians, maybe friends of or Putin on the ritz himself? You can’t honestly believe the conversation with The Ukraine was the first and only, right? You don’t honestly believe that, do you?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I think that could sink Biden. It would be a slap in the Dem Congress's face IMO. The impeachment inquiry had to be launched for the sake of the office of the President, and for a POTUS nominee to then ask a senate that has been proven not to put America's needs over party not to remove a guilty president after impeachment would be a disaster IMO. The Senate will likely not remove him anyway, but why would Biden want to involve himself in thumbing his nose at the Constitution just to try and puff up his chest?Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
That's how I felt during the Russia probe and talk of impeachment. But this Ukrainian thing is so cut-and-dry that I feel removal from office is actually possible. No need for a two-year investigation and 400-page report. He called the Ukrainian president, asked them to investigate Biden's son, and suggested there'd be a reward for doing it. So this actually has a chance. With a public impeachment trial, maybe some of those GOP Senators might actually feel the pressure to vote to remove him. Maybe...PJ_Soul said:I think some people are also saying they don't support the inquiry simply because they don't think it will lead to Trump leaving office (and they may well be right obviously) .... I believe they are missing a big part of the point. But that could be another part of why the % of those not supporting it is as high as it is.
It would take 20 Republican senators, or more if senators in trump states like Manchin are unlikely to vote to remove
I'm trying to think of a way out here for Democrats.
The best idea I have is if the House impeachs, then Biden or the democratic nominee publicly asks the senate not to remove him. As in, "let me at him, I'm gonna kick his butt and the people will vote him out."
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2019New CNN poll has 47% support impeachment inquiry AND removal from office...
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CYA Barr cut his teeth and made a name for himself covering for By Gollie Ollie and that true American hero, the original Kelly Ann, Fawn Hall, back when our evil doers were foreign, did shit and were easy to hate. Now? They’re our own, the natural progression of hatred in your heart. Obama, Hillary, Biden? They might be assholes but they’re OUR assholes. There in lies the rub, the shift, the changing of the wind, my friends. Ivanka Darling and Jared Dear Boy best not hope like hickey that an evil dem assumes the presidency. Their pappy be child’s play.
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From the official White House email blast. And the DOJ has been fully weaponized, by the way. Maybe we should rename it The Stasi?
And the "gutted requirement" has already been debunked. Your tax dollars and gubmint at work.First, Democrats in Congress and their footsoldiers in the mainstream media tried to overturn the 2016 election with an exhausting two-year investigation on alleged Russia collusion. It ended when a case built entirely on lies and deception collapsed in embarrassing fashion.
That they tried and failed already isn’t stopping Congressional Democrats, who are playing the same political games once again. Armed with a new fabrication, they’re determined to do what they couldn’t in a fair election: beat President Donald J. Trump.
Why are they so scared?
President Trump promised American citizens that he would fight for them—and, in the process, drain a swamp that’s served them countless empty promises for years. Democrats and the media cannot stand that President Trump has exposed their true colors with simple, brutally effective language that speaks to working Americans.
Just like last time, there’s no truth to anything they’re selling. There was no “quid pro quo” between President Trump and President Zelensky of Ukraine. There was no cover-up to a now publicly available call. And all this stemmed from the complaints of an anonymous “whistleblower” who admitted to having no firsthand knowledge of any of it.
The saddest part is that this doesn’t hurt President Trump, who won’t suffer in terms of public opinion facing another witch hunt. The only ones it hurts are the American people, who once again see their Congress squandering years on political theater rather than delivering on its promise of an agenda for the middle class.
It’s a new hoax—in the same swamp. The good news is that while the left breaks its promises once again, it will never stop President Trump from keeping his.
The Washington Times: “After failing on Russia, Democrats try a new hoax”
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"THE FIELD"PJ_Soul said:
I think that could sink Biden. It would be a slap in the Dem Congress's face IMO. The impeachment inquiry had to be launched for the sake of the office of the President, and for a POTUS nominee to then ask a senate that has been proven not to put America's needs over party not to remove a guilty president after impeachment would be a disaster IMO. The Senate will likely not remove him anyway, but why would Biden want to involve himself in thumbing his nose at the Constitution just to try and puff up his chest?Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
That's how I felt during the Russia probe and talk of impeachment. But this Ukrainian thing is so cut-and-dry that I feel removal from office is actually possible. No need for a two-year investigation and 400-page report. He called the Ukrainian president, asked them to investigate Biden's son, and suggested there'd be a reward for doing it. So this actually has a chance. With a public impeachment trial, maybe some of those GOP Senators might actually feel the pressure to vote to remove him. Maybe...PJ_Soul said:I think some people are also saying they don't support the inquiry simply because they don't think it will lead to Trump leaving office (and they may well be right obviously) .... I believe they are missing a big part of the point. But that could be another part of why the % of those not supporting it is as high as it is.
It would take 20 Republican senators, or more if senators in trump states like Manchin are unlikely to vote to remove
I'm trying to think of a way out here for Democrats.
The best idea I have is if the House impeachs, then Biden or the democratic nominee publicly asks the senate not to remove him. As in, "let me at him, I'm gonna kick his butt and the people will vote him out."
Let me rephrase, ask Pelosi to delay the impeachment vote.
It seems a not guilty senate verdict may give trump momentum right before the election
Pelosi and dems need to keep a careful eye on public support for impeachment. If independent support fades as it did for the Mueller investigation, it could spell doom for election day.0
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- 22.2K A Moving Train
- 31.7K All Encompassing Trip
- 2.9K Technical Stuff and Help