Nirvana. Overrated?

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  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    I think you could be right about that. And look how much the changed when Dave G joined the band. And all the hits that Dave still writes with the Foo Fighters, I think he is the most talented person to come from Nirvana 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Kurt knew so much of the hoopla was bullshit.  Probably had a lot to do with his death.  Sad really.  Major stardom sucks.  I thinks that's why a guy like J Mascis lays low with the press, etc.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think the music is overrated, nor the talent, but I feel like Kurt Cobain as a person kind of is. That sounds awful I guess, but I really do feel that way. I always found him to be incredibly unlikable and annoying.
    Annoying? The guy was quiet lol
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  • JT167846
    JT167846 Posts: 996
    Think the music maybe hasn't aged as well because three albums never gave the band enough chances to really evolve. We got to see that with the other Seattle big 3, even Alice with William. Them and PJ were the big two for me when I really fell for music, but now it's Tool and PJ (not necessarily in that order). Phonetics were a big part of Kurt's lyrical approach, and it was genius how he made the songs so memorable with how those words sounded. Was he the weakest singer of the big 4? Yes, but he still had a fantastic sounding voice. Nevermind isn't my favourite album ever, Ten will always be and hell it isn't even my favourite Nirvana album as I'm an In Utero guy, but Nevermind is IMO the most important album of the 90s and Teen Spirit the most important song. It's absolutely deserving of its place alongside Dark Side, Led Zep 4, Back In Black etc. as one of the best rock records ever. Like top five. I don't listen to them very often but they'll always be very special to me as a huge part of my introduction to music that made me really passionate about music in general. They're the band that I'd choose to see had I the choice of seeing any band in history that I haven't. And as much as I got my rocks off watching Dave Grohl play a full set on drums with Them Crooked Vultures, I'm gutted that it will never come to pass.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,525
    northerndragon said:
    Super overrated. As in very very overrated. But I knew this back in the early nineties as well. 
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think the music is overrated, nor the talent, but I feel like Kurt Cobain as a person kind of is. That sounds awful I guess, but I really do feel that way. I always found him to be incredibly unlikable and annoying.
    I've felt the same way for some time now. I'm a big fan of Cobain the musician and songwriter, but not so much a fan of Cobain the person.
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Merkin Baller said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think the music is overrated, nor the talent, but I feel like Kurt Cobain as a person kind of is. That sounds awful I guess, but I really do feel that way. I always found him to be incredibly unlikable and annoying.
    I've felt the same way for some time now. I'm a big fan of Cobain the musician and songwriter, but not so much a fan of Cobain the person.
    you didn't know him. Only what you saw in the media.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think the music is overrated, nor the talent, but I feel like Kurt Cobain as a person kind of is. That sounds awful I guess, but I really do feel that way. I always found him to be incredibly unlikable and annoying.
    I've felt the same way for some time now. I'm a big fan of Cobain the musician and songwriter, but not so much a fan of Cobain the person.
    you didn't know him. Only what you saw in the media.

    So I'm not allowed to have a less than favorable opinion about a celebrity because I never met them in person?

    Please.

  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    pearljammr78 said:
    I think you could be right about that. And look how much the changed when Dave G joined the band. And all the hits that Dave still writes with the Foo Fighters, I think he is the most talented person to come from Nirvana 
     :o 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,737
    So is this the time where we mention how Foo Fighters are basically just MOR rock music? I mean, they are successful, and it was very good at the end of the 90s. But now its seems like they are going through the motions of making boring rock music?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    It would be helpful to understand how those of you feel who have made comments about not caring for Cobain as a person.  Can you explain why?  Did you know him or meet him?  If you did not meet or know him, do you believe you can know much about a person from what you see of them on camera or read in the tabloids?  Just curious as to how you come to the conclusion you've drawn.  What specifically do you dislike about him as a person?
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    brianlux said:
    It would be helpful to understand how those of you feel who have made comments about not caring for Cobain as a person.  Can you explain why?  Did you know him or meet him?  If you did not meet or know him, do you believe you can know much about a person from what you see of them on camera or read in the tabloids?  Just curious as to how you come to the conclusion you've drawn.  What specifically do you dislike about him as a person?


    You want clarification on why someone might not be a fan of a guy who was doing heroin around his infant daughter?

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think the music is overrated, nor the talent, but I feel like Kurt Cobain as a person kind of is. That sounds awful I guess, but I really do feel that way. I always found him to be incredibly unlikable and annoying.
    Annoying? The guy was quiet lol
    So? Quiet people can be annoying too. Annoying doesn't mean loud.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    PJ_Soul said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think the music is overrated, nor the talent, but I feel like Kurt Cobain as a person kind of is. That sounds awful I guess, but I really do feel that way. I always found him to be incredibly unlikable and annoying.
    Annoying? The guy was quiet lol
    So? Quiet people can be annoying too. Annoying doesn't mean loud.
    Haha. PJ_Soul at parties hating the shy people. STOP SIPPING THAT PUNCH LOOKING NERVOUSLY AT YOUR PHONE AND SPEAK TO ME YOU ANNOYING PERSON!   :P
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Merkin Baller said:
    brianlux said:
    It would be helpful to understand how those of you feel who have made comments about not caring for Cobain as a person.  Can you explain why?  Did you know him or meet him?  If you did not meet or know him, do you believe you can know much about a person from what you see of them on camera or read in the tabloids?  Just curious as to how you come to the conclusion you've drawn.  What specifically do you dislike about him as a person?


    You want clarification on why someone might not be a fan of a guy who was doing heroin around his infant daughter?

    Yeah, why are people even trying to make this a debate?  I figured any reasons why were rather obvious.
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  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    edited July 2019
    That HBO documentary showed how ugly he and Courtney were. Some bleeding hearts will say “they were sick”, no they made a choice to become addicts. It even says in the documentary he wanted to be an addict. To bring a kid into this world while your in the throws of addiction makes you a fucking horrible person in my book. (This coming from personal experience of being from a family of drug addicts) To forgive him because he played guitar and wrote songs and was famous is ridiculous. He was a gross human being at the end of his life. 

    To clarify. If people want to do drugs and become addicts, that their free choice and good for them. The issue I have is people who are selfish (addiction to me is selfish) should never bring poor kids into the nightmare that is their lives. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    pearljammr78 said:
    That HBO documentary showed how ugly he and Courtney were. Some bleeding hearts will say “they were sick”, no they made a choice to become addicts. It even says in the documentary he wanted to be an addict. To bring a kid into this world while your in the throws of addiction makes you a fucking horrible person in my book. (This coming from personal experience of being from a family of drug addicts) To forgive him because he played guitar and wrote songs and was famous is ridiculous. He was a gross human being at the end of his life. 

    To clarify. If people want to do drugs and become addicts, that their free choice and good for them. The issue I have is people who are selfish (addiction to me is selfish) should never bring poor kids into the nightmare that is their lives. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think the music is overrated, nor the talent, but I feel like Kurt Cobain as a person kind of is. That sounds awful I guess, but I really do feel that way. I always found him to be incredibly unlikable and annoying.
    Annoying? The guy was quiet lol
    So? Quiet people can be annoying too. Annoying doesn't mean loud.
    Haha. PJ_Soul at parties hating the shy people. STOP SIPPING THAT PUNCH LOOKING NERVOUSLY AT YOUR PHONE AND SPEAK TO ME YOU ANNOYING PERSON!   :P
    :lol: Life of the party, don'tcha know.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    PJ_Soul said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think the music is overrated, nor the talent, but I feel like Kurt Cobain as a person kind of is. That sounds awful I guess, but I really do feel that way. I always found him to be incredibly unlikable and annoying.
    Annoying? The guy was quiet lol
    So? Quiet people can be annoying too. Annoying doesn't mean loud.
    How if they don't talk much? lol
    Quiet people never annoy me. Loud people do.
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  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    edited July 2019
    I recently read an article where they were grouped with The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, and The Who (I think). Does that seem justified?

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