Nirvana. Overrated?

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  • Posts: 31,703
    pjhawks said:
    you can never take away the greatness of Nevermind and the effect it had.  Unplugged was great. I loved both Ten and Nevermind and played both pretty consistently at the time. But to me VS. blew away In Utero and is what landed me so much more in the PJ camp.  Even if Kurt hadn't killed himself they were destined to implode anyway.  Don't think Dave Grohl was long for the band.
    I’m in this camp!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Posts: 41,526
    Kurt Cobain is the best lyricist of the 90s after Tori Amos. 
    Ummm Beck Hanson?
  • Posts: 41,526
    Zod said:
    I agree a lot with what you say... just struggle with the influence one.   The tangent of music that Nirvana put the spotlight on lasted about 4 or 5 years.   Then the world forgot.   Some musicians say they are influenced by them, but you can't hear it. 

    I love Nirvana's music, especially the more raw stuff.   I only argue that their biggest contribution was the spotlight they put on rock music in the early 90s.  Long term wise, rock music started to die after the early 90s.  All the watered down safe rock kind of killed it.   Not really a legacy in the wake of Nirvana.
    They influenced the whole music industry.  They made the term "Alternative" an all encompassing genre.

    You'll find a lot of influences in the more recent bands that are around.

    Hell, Teen Spirit lyrics are even in a modern day rap song by some dude named Jay Z.
  • Posts: 12,818
    They influenced the whole music industry.  They made the term "Alternative" an all encompassing genre.

    You'll find a lot of influences in the more recent bands that are around.

    Hell, Teen Spirit lyrics are even in a modern day rap song by some dude named Jay Z.


    I'm going to contradict myself, because earlier I said I didn't disagree with @Zod's take, but the more I think about it, I do disagree with it:

    In addition to Stone's comments from PJ20 and the Eddie Van Halen story, there's also the scene from the HBO documentary The Defiant Ones where Dr. Dre is cranking Breed & goes on to talk about how much admiration he has for Cobain and what he was able to accomplish.

    Nirvana was influential AF and turned the whole industry on their ear. You can argue that if it wasn't them it would have been someone else to kick the door open for alternative, but it WAS them, and as a result, they'll always be that band.

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    I'm going to contradict myself, because earlier I said I didn't disagree with @Zod's take, but the more I think about it, I do disagree with it:

    In addition to Stone's comments from PJ20 and the Eddie Van Halen story, there's also the scene from the HBO documentary The Defiant Ones where Dr. Dre is cranking Breed & goes on to talk about how much admiration he has for Cobain and what he was able to accomplish.

    Nirvana was influential AF and turned the whole industry on their ear. You can argue that if it wasn't them it would have been someone else to kick the door open for alternative, but it WAS them, and as a result, they'll always be that band.


    I’m not sure anybody would’ve kicked the door down the way they did. 
  • Posts: 41,526
    Holy Shit that was good!
  • Posts: 11,856
    Nirvana was a much needed transition from the straight-forward 'party rock' of the Foreigners, Motley Crues, GnR, Bon Jovi, Van Halens, Poisons,  etc into a new age/sounds.  It caught and changed most of the rock crowd.  Nevermind is an absolute 'before' and 'after' lynchpin.

    But now, I don't really have Nirvana on my regular rotation anymore.  Im not sure the tracks are as timeless as, say The Doors who were my experience of growing up hearing a bad who pre-dated me but ended prematurely


  • Maryland Posts: 16,491
    I loved them as a teenager.  Now I go back and listen and it's no wonder my parents thought I was on drugs in high school.  Aside from Nevermind, their shit is just flat out unlistenable.
  • Posts: 41,526
    I loved them as a teenager.  Now I go back and listen and it's no wonder my parents thought I was on drugs in high school.  Aside from Nevermind, their shit is just flat out unlistenable.
    No.  YOU ARE unlistenable!!!!
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/266838/the-you-are-thread#latest
  • Posts: 31,505
    I loved them as a teenager.  Now I go back and listen and it's no wonder my parents thought I was on drugs in high school.  Aside from Nevermind, their shit is just flat out unlistenable.
    In Utero > Nevermind
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Maryland Posts: 16,491
    In Utero > Nevermind
    Not in my book.  Not by a longshot.
  • Posts: 41,526
    In Utero > Nevermind
    I agree w u here.  You are way off on your Metallica Albums assessment though.
  • Posts: 31,505
    I agree w u here.  You are way off on your Metallica Albums assessment though.
    Haha. Remove those trashmetal glasses.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    I'm going to contradict myself, because earlier I said I didn't disagree with @Zod's take, but the more I think about it, I do disagree with it:

    In addition to Stone's comments from PJ20 and the Eddie Van Halen story, there's also the scene from the HBO documentary The Defiant Ones where Dr. Dre is cranking Breed & goes on to talk about how much admiration he has for Cobain and what he was able to accomplish.

    Nirvana was influential AF and turned the whole industry on their ear. You can argue that if it wasn't them it would have been someone else to kick the door open for alternative, but it WAS them, and as a result, they'll always be that band.

    On a side note. That documentary The Defiant Ones was god damn awesome. 
    Peace,Love and Pearl Jam.
  • Posts: 1,613
    In Utero > Nevermind
    I agree fully. 
    Peace,Love and Pearl Jam.
  • Posts: 1,613
    edited July 2019
    Can’t we all just agree that the best album Kurt Cobain ever wrote was Hole-Live Through This.  ;)
    Peace,Love and Pearl Jam.
  • everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,806
    I haven’t listened to Nevermind in forever. I loved it when I was a teenager in the 90s but it sounds a little dated now imo.

    However, I can’t deny that when I was watching Captain Marvel in the cinema and Come As You Are started playing, a huge ‘fuck yeah’ grin appeared on my face. It sounded awesome through a big ass movie theatre sound system.
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  • Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    To me Nevermind still sounds fresh as it was in 1991.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014

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