Donald Trump

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

My bad (modern era)
Left/liberal
Leftists won't understand the difference.
Traditional liberals do.
There might not be any old school liberals here.
I have no problem with them.
You are so far left old school liberalizm is almost dead..
To explain it to you would be like pissing into the wind.  You've made that clear.

You're a joke then.  My posts here are so clearly center left.  Go read my criticisms of Warren's and Bernie's policies and AOC's self defeating political strategies.  Yet you say I'm so far left. It's clear that your arguments are so fundamentally weak that you resort to the "if you don't know then im not telling you" strategy.  What's next,  "why don't you tell me and then I'll tell you if you're right" argument? Lame.  Think things through before you post.  Someone's going to challenge you on an intellectual level 

Murssel you are probably more of a liberal than leftist.  Leftist is extreme.  Liberal is center/left.  I can have a convrsation with a liberal, I cannot have a conversation with a far extreme leftist.
Bryanlux will differ with me on almost everything, but demonstrates respect & that we can agree to disagree.  Pop a beer and play music that we both like light a smoke and  bury the hatchet.
That is not the case with Halifax.  He hates my guts.
Im not talking about all.
Eventually sombody here is going to maybe understand the difference I'm talking about..
*Bu$hleager I would say is a liberal tune.  Hard-hitting, but melodic, clever, has a rhythm (I disagree with its premis but I don't mind it)  I sing along with it when its playing.  Nice protest song  not over the top.
*Can't Deny Me is a leftist tune.  Disjointed no melody eratic temper tantrum shreek song.  Can't sing along with it.
Still searching for the right words to clarify. Maybe this will help maybe I'm pissing in the wind again.
What does intellectual mean?  Enlightened??
There's another big difference between  smart and wise.
2+2=52 right?

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

My top three conservative presidents in no particular order are: Reagan, Coolidge, and Washington.  
What would make trump the most conservative president ever?

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

My bad (modern era)
Left/liberal
Leftists won't understand the difference.
Traditional liberals do.
There might not be any old school liberals here.
I have no problem with them.
You are so far left old school liberalizm is almost dead..
To explain it to you would be like pissing into the wind.  You've made that clear.

You're a joke then.  My posts here are so clearly center left.  Go read my criticisms of Warren's and Bernie's policies and AOC's self defeating political strategies.  Yet you say I'm so far left. It's clear that your arguments are so fundamentally weak that you resort to the "if you don't know then im not telling you" strategy.  What's next,  "why don't you tell me and then I'll tell you if you're right" argument? Lame.  Think things through before you post.  Someone's going to challenge you on an intellectual level 

Murssel you are probably more of a liberal than leftist.  Leftist is extreme.  Liberal is center/left.  I can have a convrsation with a liberal, I cannot have a conversation with a far extreme leftist.
Bryanlux will differ with me on almost everything, but demonstrates respect & that we can agree to disagree.  Pop a beer and play music that we both like light a smoke and  bury the hatchet.
That is not the case with Halifax.  He hates my guts.
Im not talking about all.
Eventually sombody here is going to maybe understand the difference I'm talking about..
*Bu$hleager I would say is a liberal tune.  Hard-hitting, but melodic, clever, has a rhythm (I disagree with its premis but I don't mind it)  I sing along with it when its playing.  Nice protest song  not over the top.
*Can't Deny Me is a leftist tune.  Disjointed no melody eratic temper tantrum shreek song.  Can't sing along with it.
Still searching for the right words to clarify. Maybe this will help maybe I'm pissing in the wind again.
What does intellectual mean?  Enlightened??
There's another big difference between  smart and wise.
2+2=52 right?

Yes, intelligence informed by experience = wisdom.  It's why I think Pelosi is wise, and AOC is not. 
To your point, thank you for clarifying.  I don't agree with you, and your definitions are in line with what Prager "U" posted, so my guess is there's some connection there. 

The reason I disagree is quite simple.  The "Squad" and other leftists in the gov't are trying to change the US.  But they do not hate the US because they are using the system, as designed by the Fathers (founding 'persons' I believe is the correct term in Berkely) to effectuate change.  If they hated America, why would they show the Constitution the respect by working within the system as designed?  Your disagreements with them may run stronger than they do with me, but they are still doing it the right way.  

The people who hate this country are the ones that cannot respect the Constitution and the three branches.  These are people like the Weatherman, Antifa, Timothy McVeigh, White Nationalists, and others who try to circumvent the Constitution and for all it stands by criminal activity.  That's hating America.  

See that's not bad. 
I developed my own thoughts on these matters long befour I discoverd Preger a few months ago.  He is much better at clarifying things than I am.   I enjoy his show but he did not shape my thought process.
I totally agree with you Pelosi vs. AOC.
I disagree with but respect Pelosi who has a vision and and understanding hard work ethic and keen sense as to how things work  certainly paid her dues.  AOC is just lazy &  unwilling to do the necessary work and work her way up the ladder.  
AOC  doesn't want to pay her dues she just wants to be the speaker today and implement her Green New Deal.
And I believe the desire to fundamentally transform the United States is also a sign of  hatred toward the USA.
You wouldnt tell your wife I love you dear, but I'd like to fundamentally transform you.
But anyway.......

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

My bad (modern era)
Left/liberal
Leftists won't understand the difference.
Traditional liberals do.
There might not be any old school liberals here.
I have no problem with them.
You are so far left old school liberalizm is almost dead..
To explain it to you would be like pissing into the wind.  You've made that clear.

You're a joke then.  My posts here are so clearly center left.  Go read my criticisms of Warren's and Bernie's policies and AOC's self defeating political strategies.  Yet you say I'm so far left. It's clear that your arguments are so fundamentally weak that you resort to the "if you don't know then im not telling you" strategy.  What's next,  "why don't you tell me and then I'll tell you if you're right" argument? Lame.  Think things through before you post.  Someone's going to challenge you on an intellectual level 

Murssel you are probably more of a liberal than leftist.  Leftist is extreme.  Liberal is center/left.  I can have a convrsation with a liberal, I cannot have a conversation with a far extreme leftist.
Bryanlux will differ with me on almost everything, but demonstrates respect & that we can agree to disagree.  Pop a beer and play music that we both like light a smoke and  bury the hatchet.
That is not the case with Halifax.  He hates my guts.
Im not talking about all.
Eventually sombody here is going to maybe understand the difference I'm talking about..
*Bu$hleager I would say is a liberal tune.  Hard-hitting, but melodic, clever, has a rhythm (I disagree with its premis but I don't mind it)  I sing along with it when its playing.  Nice protest song  not over the top.
*Can't Deny Me is a leftist tune.  Disjointed no melody eratic temper tantrum shreek song.  Can't sing along with it.
Still searching for the right words to clarify. Maybe this will help maybe I'm pissing in the wind again.
What does intellectual mean?  Enlightened??
There's another big difference between  smart and wise.
2+2=52 right?

Yes, intelligence informed by experience = wisdom.  It's why I think Pelosi is wise, and AOC is not. 
To your point, thank you for clarifying.  I don't agree with you, and your definitions are in line with what Prager "U" posted, so my guess is there's some connection there. 

The reason I disagree is quite simple.  The "Squad" and other leftists in the gov't are trying to change the US.  But they do not hate the US because they are using the system, as designed by the Fathers (founding 'persons' I believe is the correct term in Berkely) to effectuate change.  If they hated America, why would they show the Constitution the respect by working within the system as designed?  Your disagreements with them may run stronger than they do with me, but they are still doing it the right way.  

The people who hate this country are the ones that cannot respect the Constitution and the three branches.  These are people like the Weatherman, Antifa, Timothy McVeigh, White Nationalists, and others who try to circumvent the Constitution and for all it stands by criminal activity.  That's hating America.  

See that's not bad. 
I developed my own thoughts on these matters long befour I discoverd Preger a few months ago.  He is much better at clarifying things than I am.   I enjoy his show but he did not shape my thought process.
I totally agree with you Pelosi vs. AOC.
I disagree with but respect Pelosi who has a vision and and understanding hard work ethic and keen sense as to how things work  certainly paid her dues.  AOC is just lazy &  unwilling to do the necessary work and work her way up the ladder.  
AOC  doesn't want to pay her dues she just wants to be the speaker today and implement her Green New Deal.
And I believe the desire to fundamentally transform the United States is also a sign of  hatred toward the USA.
You wouldnt tell your wife I love you dear, but I'd like to fundamentally transform you.
But anyway.......

AOC is none of these people at this time, but the transformation effectuated by Lincoln, FDR, MLK, and Lyndon Johnson (Great Society & Civil Rights Act) dwarf the New Green Deal, Medicare for all, etc., in fundamentally changing the US.  Those Americans altered the path of this country.  They did not hate America.  I don't understand where you are drawing distinctions or deciding how much change is too much.  

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

mrussel1 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
This is a Nowhere Road
Door number one or door number two.

Door #1
A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

Door #2
A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
Choose
https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
What ever

Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  

Most conservative president ever.
Even trolls love rock n roll
https://youtu.be/6r9kJGmZOQQ

That's such bullshit.  He's not even in the same stadium of conservatism as William Buckley.  But as yet, you have failed to delineate between a left and liberal, so I guess we shouldn't expect you to be able to define conservatism either.  

My bad (modern era)
Left/liberal
Leftists won't understand the difference.
Traditional liberals do.
There might not be any old school liberals here.
I have no problem with them.
You are so far left old school liberalizm is almost dead..
To explain it to you would be like pissing into the wind.  You've made that clear.

You're a joke then.  My posts here are so clearly center left.  Go read my criticisms of Warren's and Bernie's policies and AOC's self defeating political strategies.  Yet you say I'm so far left. It's clear that your arguments are so fundamentally weak that you resort to the "if you don't know then im not telling you" strategy.  What's next,  "why don't you tell me and then I'll tell you if you're right" argument? Lame.  Think things through before you post.  Someone's going to challenge you on an intellectual level 

Murssel you are probably more of a liberal than leftist.  Leftist is extreme.  Liberal is center/left.  I can have a convrsation with a liberal, I cannot have a conversation with a far extreme leftist.
Bryanlux will differ with me on almost everything, but demonstrates respect & that we can agree to disagree.  Pop a beer and play music that we both like light a smoke and  bury the hatchet.
That is not the case with Halifax.  He hates my guts.
Im not talking about all.
Eventually sombody here is going to maybe understand the difference I'm talking about..
*Bu$hleager I would say is a liberal tune.  Hard-hitting, but melodic, clever, has a rhythm (I disagree with its premis but I don't mind it)  I sing along with it when its playing.  Nice protest song  not over the top.
*Can't Deny Me is a leftist tune.  Disjointed no melody eratic temper tantrum shreek song.  Can't sing along with it.
Still searching for the right words to clarify. Maybe this will help maybe I'm pissing in the wind again.
What does intellectual mean?  Enlightened??
There's another big difference between  smart and wise.
2+2=52 right?

Yes, intelligence informed by experience = wisdom.  It's why I think Pelosi is wise, and AOC is not. 
To your point, thank you for clarifying.  I don't agree with you, and your definitions are in line with what Prager "U" posted, so my guess is there's some connection there. 

The reason I disagree is quite simple.  The "Squad" and other leftists in the gov't are trying to change the US.  But they do not hate the US because they are using the system, as designed by the Fathers (founding 'persons' I believe is the correct term in Berkely) to effectuate change.  If they hated America, why would they show the Constitution the respect by working within the system as designed?  Your disagreements with them may run stronger than they do with me, but they are still doing it the right way.  

The people who hate this country are the ones that cannot respect the Constitution and the three branches.  These are people like the Weatherman, Antifa, Timothy McVeigh, White Nationalists, and others who try to circumvent the Constitution and for all it stands by criminal activity.  That's hating America.  

See that's not bad. 
I developed my own thoughts on these matters long befour I discoverd Preger a few months ago.  He is much better at clarifying things than I am.   I enjoy his show but he did not shape my thought process.
I totally agree with you Pelosi vs. AOC.
I disagree with but respect Pelosi who has a vision and and understanding hard work ethic and keen sense as to how things work  certainly paid her dues.  AOC is just lazy &  unwilling to do the necessary work and work her way up the ladder.  
AOC  doesn't want to pay her dues she just wants to be the speaker today and implement her Green New Deal.
And I believe the desire to fundamentally transform the United States is also a sign of  hatred toward the USA.
You wouldnt tell your wife I love you dear, but I'd like to fundamentally transform you.
But anyway.......

vaggar99 said:

Smellyman said:

Liberals and leftists hate America and are full of hate.

I support Trump.  Trump is not a racist.

the Cognitive dissonance/willful ignorance is astounding

you screaming it, doesn't make it so.  Trump is a racist.  Acceptance is always the first step.