The Democratic Candidates

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I think Presiden Hickenlooper (sp) has a great ring to it... 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is Biden the most moderate of all the candidates?  I am far from an expert on each one.  
    Probably, Pete seems pretty moderate as well, but he doesn't have the same track record of voting to validate that.  
    And Sanders would be most to the left?  Is there anyone more liberal than him?
    Karl Marx
    In what way would Karl Marx be "liberal"
    Oh you got me.  Father of socialism...making a joke about bernie.  Nice catch #14
    How far more left than Sanders would you have to go to be considered left of liberal, and not liberal? How it's looked on in the US?

    Or is "liberal" just an endless void of everything left of republican?
    Well in reality it has become 2 teams it seems.  You are either a liberal or a conservative.  Despite the many issues where you could vary and cross between parties, etc.  

    That sucks and is very unfortunate.  The politicians are more concerned with voting the party line than voting their conscience.  And so it seems are many of the people.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is Biden the most moderate of all the candidates?  I am far from an expert on each one.  
    Probably, Pete seems pretty moderate as well, but he doesn't have the same track record of voting to validate that.  
    Biden and Amy lead the moderate pack, no?
    Yes definitely her.  I forgot about her.  I like Amy a lot.  She needs a bit of a stronger presence on stage.  I would have put Harris into the center-left bucket until the debate.  I think she probably still is, at heart, but she was an opportunist that night.  
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,139
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is Biden the most moderate of all the candidates?  I am far from an expert on each one.  
    Probably, Pete seems pretty moderate as well, but he doesn't have the same track record of voting to validate that.  
    Biden and Amy lead the moderate pack, no?
    Yes definitely her.  I forgot about her.  I like Amy a lot.  She needs a bit of a stronger presence on stage.  I would have put Harris into the center-left bucket until the debate.  I think she probably still is, at heart, but she was an opportunist that night.  
    I like Bennett too but he’s got no shot, unfortunately. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Americans and Canadians are not the laziest people in the world.  What nonsense...
    https://allthatsinteresting.com/worlds-laziest-countries
    Do you equate laziness to lack of gym time?  That is pretty asinine.  I would go as far as to say that the hardest working people do not have time for gym memberships or prepping for the next 5k.  I guess it depends on your definition of “work” though...
    The study didn’t look at “gym time”, it looked at physical activity, ie being physically active rather than sitting around. You’ll note that some of the most active people were in developing countries - I don’t think they’re spending much time in a gym. 
    This pretty much sums it up:
    ”The report explains that this trend could be related to the fact that those with higher incomes tend to have “more sedentary occupations” and that greater access to automobile transportation results in lesser physical activity.”


    Using automobiles in preference to walking, cycling or public transit is lazy, bad for your health and bad for the environment. North Americans, particularly those in the US, like their big SUVs far too much and aren’t prioritizing alternate forms of moving people, and thus the cycle of laziness continues. 
    I don't know if that's true or not.  It's a chicken/egg discussion.  Outside of Chicago and NYC, public transportation isn't all that practical.  So many people live in suburbs and secondary cities that don't have a strong infrastructure like Chicago and NY.  LA's isn't great, SF isn't, DC metro is good, but it doesn't extend far out of the beltway at all.  So it's not very practical for people who come in for work.  When I have to go to NY, I usually train it, if I have time, and then obviously use the subway when I'm there.  Driving in any of the boroughs is a nightmare. 
    The SUV argument isn't really relevant since one vehicle doesn't make you fatter than another.  
    That’s my point - there are very, very few cities in the US in which walking, cycling or public transportation is prioritized. American cities were built for the convenience of the car, not the convenience of people. People would prefer to drive. That’s where the laziness comes into play. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,867

    Sen. Kamala Harris on Dem Infighting and Beating Trump | The View

    https://youtu.be/qHVCIqndWdg

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Americans and Canadians are not the laziest people in the world.  What nonsense...
    https://allthatsinteresting.com/worlds-laziest-countries
    Do you equate laziness to lack of gym time?  That is pretty asinine.  I would go as far as to say that the hardest working people do not have time for gym memberships or prepping for the next 5k.  I guess it depends on your definition of “work” though...
    The study didn’t look at “gym time”, it looked at physical activity, ie being physically active rather than sitting around. You’ll note that some of the most active people were in developing countries - I don’t think they’re spending much time in a gym. 
    This pretty much sums it up:
    ”The report explains that this trend could be related to the fact that those with higher incomes tend to have “more sedentary occupations” and that greater access to automobile transportation results in lesser physical activity.”


    Using automobiles in preference to walking, cycling or public transit is lazy, bad for your health and bad for the environment. North Americans, particularly those in the US, like their big SUVs far too much and aren’t prioritizing alternate forms of moving people, and thus the cycle of laziness continues. 
    I don't know if that's true or not.  It's a chicken/egg discussion.  Outside of Chicago and NYC, public transportation isn't all that practical.  So many people live in suburbs and secondary cities that don't have a strong infrastructure like Chicago and NY.  LA's isn't great, SF isn't, DC metro is good, but it doesn't extend far out of the beltway at all.  So it's not very practical for people who come in for work.  When I have to go to NY, I usually train it, if I have time, and then obviously use the subway when I'm there.  Driving in any of the boroughs is a nightmare. 
    The SUV argument isn't really relevant since one vehicle doesn't make you fatter than another.  
    That’s my point - there are very, very few cities in the US in which walking, cycling or public transportation is prioritized. American cities were built for the convenience of the car, not the convenience of people. People would prefer to drive. That’s where the laziness comes into play. 
    Major cities in the US were planned and built well before the advent of the car.  But what we've always had in abundance is space, so naturally things spread out, and then post war with the GI Bill, you had the explosion of the suburb.  This is why I say it's a chicken or the egg thing.  Cars were more logical and practical for how the urban and suburban citizens chose to live, based on the explosion of housing and suburbia.  I would not say cities were built for the car at all.  The car became more practical and desirable vs public transportation.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,867

    Charlamagne tha God: Trump setting 2020 stage for Harris
    https://youtu.be/spdLSMWuFok

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    edited July 2019
    Here's a nice summary of the week in Democratic politics.. race, race baiting and racial infighting.  There's obviously an element on the left that sees (or tries to see) racial intent in every decision, every offense, every event.  The firing has now turned inward.  This was a natural conclusion and it clouds the racial animus truly being stoked by the president.  The good news, I hope, is that it blew up now and hopefully it recede and some members will learn something.  If not, the election is lost I fear.  We can't go on like this.  

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/452856-racial-politics-roil-democratic-party
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,867
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    Why fabricate fantasy-narratives instead of actually debating and discussion that which people actually write and argue for. Hmm.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,867

    Sen. Kamala Harris on Don Trump Jr., Medicare, & Education | The View

    https://youtu.be/CO8uPoeN2OY

    Policy speedround at 1:30
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,139
    mcgruff10 said:
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    I too have a SUV but I’d totally ride my bike to work if it were a bit closer....except in the middle of Summer though. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,867
    mcgruff10 said:
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    Could anything be more american than this post.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    I too have a SUV but I’d totally ride my bike to work if it were a bit closer....except in the middle of Summer though. 
    I have too many moving parts in the morning so that would be a big fat no from me; I guess it would be much easier if you lived in the city.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    I too have a SUV but I’d totally ride my bike to work if it were a bit closer....except in the middle of Summer though. 
    I have too many moving parts in the morning so that would be a big fat no from me; I guess it would be much easier if you lived in the city.
    Yeah, drop your kids off at day care using public transportation in the suburbs... these options do not exist.  
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    Yup.  Where I live you can walker faster than public transit and riding a bike is a death sentence.  I like my SUV and there will be another one in my future.  The automobile is freedom.  I'm on my schedule
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    mcgruff10 said:
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    Yup.  Where I live you can walker faster than public transit and riding a bike is a death sentence.  I like my SUV and there will be another one in my future.  The automobile is freedom.  I'm on my schedule
    What if every Bruce Springsteen was about taking the subway or a bus pass out of town...doesn't work, even though his most famous song name checks a damn Hemi.  
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,409
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    Yup.  Where I live you can walker faster than public transit and riding a bike is a death sentence.  I like my SUV and there will be another one in my future.  The automobile is freedom.  I'm on my schedule
    What if every Bruce Springsteen was about taking the subway or a bus pass out of town...doesn't work, even though his most famous song name checks a damn Hemi.  
    "got a car, got some gas........."
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,409
    There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 
    what you call lazy, many see as expedient.

    I have a 20 mile commute each way. I work between 9 and 14 hours a day. I am not taking public transportation.......
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 
    Yeah, my city is not well designed for walking, public transit, or cycling at all.  There has been a push to make it more pedestrian friendly, but to fully expect the majority of the residents to stop driving would be naive.  I would say that the majority of my city’s growth happened after the automobile came along.  
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,121
    I figured we would have Jetsons cars and beaming around in teleportors by now.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 
    Of course modern expansion and revitalization efforts are centered around traffic flow, but the origins of most cities predated the advent of the vehicle.  The Big Dig in Boston and obviously the Springfield Junction in DC were clearly designed for traffic flow.  But the original plans and in many cases the first 200 years of a city were not built around automobiles.  The exception of course are in the New South, where cities like Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, etc.,grew up post Industrial Revolution.  So again, it's a chicken and egg discussion and it circles around.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    edited July 2019
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

    But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...
    The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

    Yup.  Where I live you can walker faster than public transit and riding a bike is a death sentence.  I like my SUV and there will be another one in my future.  The automobile is freedom.  I'm on my schedule
    What if every Bruce Springsteen was about taking the subway or a bus pass out of town...doesn't work, even though his most famous song name checks a damn Hemi.  
    "got a car, got some gas........."
    It's the most Bruce song he's ever written, in my opinion.  He uses direct imagery in that song in a very different way than most of his lyrics.  He truly channels Bruce there. Needless to say, I fucking love it.  Sadly, I haven't seen it since Philly 2 2013, one of my fav "modern era" show.  

    edit - and the coolest thing about that show is that Bruce was sitting 15 feet to my left at the soundboard, watching the show.  He was wearing a baseball cap, but I saw his ass.  Awesome.  
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    PJPOWER said:
    There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 
    Yeah, my city is not well designed for walking, public transit, or cycling at all.  There has been a push to make it more pedestrian friendly, but to fully expect the majority of the residents to stop driving would be naive.  I would say that the majority of my city’s growth happened after the automobile came along.  
    You're in Austin, right?  TX is the New South for sure.  
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,409
    Jason P said:
    I figured we would have Jetsons cars and beaming around in teleportors by now.
    jet packs. wheres the fucking jet packs.....
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,476
    mrussel1 said:
    There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 
    Of course modern expansion and revitalization efforts are centered around traffic flow, but the origins of most cities predated the advent of the vehicle.  The Big Dig in Boston and obviously the Springfield Junction in DC were clearly designed for traffic flow.  But the original plans and in many cases the first 200 years of a city were not built around automobiles.  The exception of course are in the New South, where cities like Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, etc.,grew up post Industrial Revolution.  So again, it's a chicken and egg discussion and it circles around.  
    Let’s not forget the role of lobbying by the automobile and oil industry and the favoritism of freight rail over passenger rail and the demise of the street car and intra and inter city bus travel, all subsidized by the taxpayers at their expense and the environment’s.

    Does NOVA commuter rail run on weekends yet or past 7:00 p.m.? It didn’t when I commuted into DC.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,867
    People in her glorifying driving their SUVs while it being a big environmental problem.

    Amazing.
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