The Democratic Candidates

Spiritual_Chaos

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Juggler said:

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cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

yeah f that:

"Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent.

Sweden and Norway have similarly flat income tax systems. Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income.

Compare this to The United States. The top marginal tax rate of 46.8 percent (state average and federal combined rates) kicks in at 8.5 times the average U.S. income (around $400,000). Comparatively, few taxpayers in the United States face the top marginal rate."

Spiritual do you make minimum wage?  Is that why this isn't a big deal to you?

My wife and I, two teachers, would be taxed at 56.9% if we were like Sweden!  No way could we afford our house, cars, kids, vacation, etc.  Shit I'd be drinking bud light and driving by kid to day care on the back of my scooter. lol

My brother who is a teacher, and his gf is a nurse, can afford house, car (SAAB), kids, vacation etc. 

Get out of your hole, spit out the koolaid and start thinking a tad. I know you need mrussels respect. But come on now.

I thought you said they had a car? 1 SAAB? Now that’s embarrassing 

You know SAAB is a great car. So your post might come off as a little cute. But not much more than that. 

Didn't SAAB go out of business like 10 years ago?

Because of General Motors. Turning everything into Flint, Michigan is their business model. 

And by the way, Pink Floyd also went out of business. Still great. 

Oh that sucks. So your country does not produce any automobiles any more?

Come on now:

https://youtu.be/KOzw2l1UmDc

mickeyrat

Jason P said:

There are a lot of retired mechanics enjoying retirement on nice fishing vessels due to SAAB’s existence.  I think only Jaguar could match their reputation for manufacturing nice European shit boxes known for breaking down in the 20th century 

  you don't say....

The Juggler

Jason P said:

There are a lot of retired mechanics enjoying retirement on nice fishing vessels due to SAAB’s existence.  I think only Jaguar could match their reputation for manufacturing nice European shit boxes known for breaking down in the 20th century 

Ha

I always kind of thought Saabs looked cool

Spiritual_Chaos

Jason P said:

There are a lot of retired mechanics enjoying retirement on nice fishing vessels due to SAAB’s existence.  I think only Jaguar could match their reputation for manufacturing nice European shit boxes known for breaking down in the 20th century 

This does not match what I've heard from mechanics. 

So what models are you referring too, and what problems?


15 cars that refuse to die

"We do see a lot of them through the shop," says Chris Campbell, a technician at Swedish Solution, in Westbrook, Maine. "Their owners are pretty fanatical about their cars. We have one who drives her 1983 900 Turbo across the country twice each year, and the last time we did service on her car, a routine brake job, her car had over 435,000 miles and was still running like a top." The Wisconsin Automotive Museum near Milwaukee features a 1989 Saab 900 SPG that was driven more than a million miles before being donated.

https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/cars/T009-S001-cars-that-refuse-to-die/index.html

Meltdown99

Go start a  American v Swedish thread so this does not get closed.

Meltdown99

U.S. presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders coming to Windsor

https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/bernie-sanders-bringing-u-s-presidential-campaign-to-windsor?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2G6eIJ3MEAqvjkru7KegMiKn8zhwIeldNdszHSXF-oQLZ9iGdyGsukXes#Echobox=1562937094

No doubt drug prices are cheaper in the North...

He'll be 30 minutes from me, cool...I can sit on my deck and smoke a fatty and still her the blowhard out here...lol.

Meltdown99

I just hope when Sanders visits it is not a typical southern Ontario warm day, some call it hot, I call it a beautiful summer we are getting.

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not having a legal right to maternity leave is fucking sick. Absolutely disgusting.

The answer to this question is the United States. 

if you didn't live in either country and were asked this question, I'm guessing your answer would be different. 

That truly is a guess.  

speaking merely from the standpoint of looking at that graphic, you'd have to be insane to choose the US. 

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Bernie forgot to mention tax rates in his tweet.  That's seems like an unusual oversight on his part.  

No. Its pretty obvious. 

Abd with our tax rates that you fear so much and losing big compared to by any quality of life metric - we pay half of your cost in health care. And were pretty expensive compared to other European countries.

so just go to bed with your me-me-me outllok on society. 

Yep I'll do that gladly with my 24% effective rate.  Thanks.  And you can sleep well in your second rate country as well.  I aim high,  you aim... let's call it mediocre at best. 

second rate country? what the fuck?

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

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Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I get 28 days of paid vacation time next year, is that more than none?

I have 6 weeks. 

Two more days, wow lol.  So 28 days is more than none?

Swedish law of vacation

The Swedish semester law gives all employees the right to five weeks semester per semester year. Of these you have the right to work for four weeks of coherent holidays in June - August.

What does the law for workers right in the US say?

Oh wait:

There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA.

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I can't imagine if there was some sort of exchange program and Swedish people worked in the United States, that would be some funny stuff.  Yeah you have to work here dude to make ends meet.  
As my buddy from Panama explained to me, you can't be lazy in the US.  You either work or you don't make it.

vacation should be determined by your job, there should be no national law.  

you can't seriously believe this. like, seriously. that's asinine mcgruff. people in canada and the US are among the laziest and fattest in the world. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I get 28 days of paid vacation time next year, is that more than none?

I have 6 weeks. 

Two more days, wow lol.  So 28 days is more than none?

Swedish law of vacation

The Swedish semester law gives all employees the right to five weeks semester per semester year. Of these you have the right to work for four weeks of coherent holidays in June - August.

What does the law for workers right in the US say?

Oh wait:

There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA.

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I can't imagine if there was some sort of exchange program and Swedish people worked in the United States, that would be some funny stuff.  Yeah you have to work here dude to make ends meet.  
As my buddy from Panama explained to me, you can't be lazy in the US.  You either work or you don't make it.

vacation should be determined by your job, there should be no national law.  

you can't seriously believe this. like, seriously. that's asinine mcgruff. people in canada and the US are among the laziest and fattest in the world. 

Equating lazy and fat is not accurate.  

mickeyrat

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Bernie forgot to mention tax rates in his tweet.  That's seems like an unusual oversight on his part.  

No. Its pretty obvious. 

Abd with our tax rates that you fear so much and losing big compared to by any quality of life metric - we pay half of your cost in health care. And were pretty expensive compared to other European countries.

so just go to bed with your me-me-me outllok on society. 

Yep I'll do that gladly with my 24% effective rate.  Thanks.  And you can sleep well in your second rate country as well.  I aim high,  you aim... let's call it mediocre at best. 

second rate country? what the fuck?

you've been away. dynamic has shifted here

 lay back a bit and you will see why...

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I get 28 days of paid vacation time next year, is that more than none?

I have 6 weeks. 

Two more days, wow lol.  So 28 days is more than none?

Swedish law of vacation

The Swedish semester law gives all employees the right to five weeks semester per semester year. Of these you have the right to work for four weeks of coherent holidays in June - August.

What does the law for workers right in the US say?

Oh wait:

There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA.

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I can't imagine if there was some sort of exchange program and Swedish people worked in the United States, that would be some funny stuff.  Yeah you have to work here dude to make ends meet.  
As my buddy from Panama explained to me, you can't be lazy in the US.  You either work or you don't make it.

vacation should be determined by your job, there should be no national law.  

you can't seriously believe this. like, seriously. that's asinine mcgruff. people in canada and the US are among the laziest and fattest in the world. 

Equating lazy and fat is not accurate.  

well you don't see a whole lot of middle aged skinny people driving around amusement parks in golf carts, now, do you?

Meltdown99

Americans and Canadians are not the laziest people in the world.  What nonsense...

The Juggler

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not having a legal right to maternity leave is fucking sick. Absolutely disgusting.

The answer to this question is the United States. 

if you didn't live in either country and were asked this question, I'm guessing your answer would be different. 

That truly is a guess.  

speaking merely from the standpoint of looking at that graphic, you'd have to be insane to choose the US. 

You'd have to be insane to make a decision like this based on stupid graph. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I get 28 days of paid vacation time next year, is that more than none?

I have 6 weeks. 

Two more days, wow lol.  So 28 days is more than none?

Swedish law of vacation

The Swedish semester law gives all employees the right to five weeks semester per semester year. Of these you have the right to work for four weeks of coherent holidays in June - August.

What does the law for workers right in the US say?

Oh wait:

There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA.

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I can't imagine if there was some sort of exchange program and Swedish people worked in the United States, that would be some funny stuff.  Yeah you have to work here dude to make ends meet.  
As my buddy from Panama explained to me, you can't be lazy in the US.  You either work or you don't make it.

vacation should be determined by your job, there should be no national law.  

you can't seriously believe this. like, seriously. that's asinine mcgruff. people in canada and the US are among the laziest and fattest in the world. 

Equating lazy and fat is not accurate.  

well you don't see a whole lot of middle aged skinny people driving around amusement parks in golf carts, now, do you?

Just saying, there are lazy fat people and plenty of lazy skinny people.   If fact, sometime being fat is driven by being an extremely hard worker that just doesn't prioritize their personal health as much as they should.

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not having a legal right to maternity leave is fucking sick. Absolutely disgusting.

The answer to this question is the United States. 

if you didn't live in either country and were asked this question, I'm guessing your answer would be different. 

That truly is a guess.  

speaking merely from the standpoint of looking at that graphic, you'd have to be insane to choose the US. 

You'd have to be insane to make a decision like this based on stupid graph. 

This is precisely accurate.  The implication is that this stuff is free.  TNSTAAFL.  

Spiritual_Chaos

You are debating something rather pointless, but yes you are all correct - the uncontrolled fat-levels in the US does shriek of "second rate" country.

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I get 28 days of paid vacation time next year, is that more than none?

I have 6 weeks. 

Two more days, wow lol.  So 28 days is more than none?

Swedish law of vacation

The Swedish semester law gives all employees the right to five weeks semester per semester year. Of these you have the right to work for four weeks of coherent holidays in June - August.

What does the law for workers right in the US say?

Oh wait:

There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA.

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I can't imagine if there was some sort of exchange program and Swedish people worked in the United States, that would be some funny stuff.  Yeah you have to work here dude to make ends meet.  
As my buddy from Panama explained to me, you can't be lazy in the US.  You either work or you don't make it.

vacation should be determined by your job, there should be no national law.  

This is the most insane thing I have ever read on this board. After how much workers have had to fight to have any rights - that is to be blunt, disgusting. Where the fuck would someone pick up an opinion like that from...

... oh, wait I'm pretty sure where from. The country flunking in about every metric regarding "decency". 

PJPOWER

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I get 28 days of paid vacation time next year, is that more than none?

I have 6 weeks. 

Two more days, wow lol.  So 28 days is more than none?

Swedish law of vacation

The Swedish semester law gives all employees the right to five weeks semester per semester year. Of these you have the right to work for four weeks of coherent holidays in June - August.

What does the law for workers right in the US say?

Oh wait:

There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA.

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I can't imagine if there was some sort of exchange program and Swedish people worked in the United States, that would be some funny stuff.  Yeah you have to work here dude to make ends meet.  
As my buddy from Panama explained to me, you can't be lazy in the US.  You either work or you don't make it.

vacation should be determined by your job, there should be no national law.  

you can't seriously believe this. like, seriously. that's asinine mcgruff. people in canada and the US are among the laziest and fattest in the world. 

Equating lazy and fat is not accurate.  

well you don't see a whole lot of middle aged skinny people driving around amusement parks in golf carts, now, do you?

Just saying, there are lazy fat people and plenty of lazy skinny people.   If fact, sometime being fat is driven by being an extremely hard worker that just doesn't prioritize their personal health as much as they should.

That’s very true.  Some of the hardest working people I’ve ever known were overweight.  Not because they didn’t bust their asses, but because they maybe overindulged in the fruits of their labor.  Some were smokers, I know one that would eat a big bowl of ice cream every day after working 14 hours on the farm.  True, there are some of these pudgy fat dudes around that just sit around eating Doritos and playing Fortnight all day, but you can usually tell the difference because those lazy asses can barely walk up a flight of stairs, much less climb in and out of tractors or run a sewer line.  Often the hardest working people do not have time for a gym membership or to cook up a healthy meal, they just grab something and go back to work.  
Most lazy asses I know are actually really skinny and have no meat on their bones.  Some people with crazy high cholesterol are skinny little shits that probably “work” less than 30 hours a week.
It really is a bad generalization to make.