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Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

Why fabricate fantasy-narratives instead of actually debating and discussion that which people actually write and argue for. Hmm.

mcgruff10

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

Spiritual_Chaos

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The Juggler

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

I too have a SUV but I’d totally ride my bike to work if it were a bit closer....except in the middle of Summer though. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

Could anything be more american than this post.

mcgruff10

The Juggler said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

I too have a SUV but I’d totally ride my bike to work if it were a bit closer....except in the middle of Summer though. 

I have too many moving parts in the morning so that would be a big fat no from me; I guess it would be much easier if you lived in the city.

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

The Juggler said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

I too have a SUV but I’d totally ride my bike to work if it were a bit closer....except in the middle of Summer though. 

I have too many moving parts in the morning so that would be a big fat no from me; I guess it would be much easier if you lived in the city.

Yeah, drop your kids off at day care using public transportation in the suburbs... these options do not exist.  

Meltdown99

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

Yup.  Where I live you can walker faster than public transit and riding a bike is a death sentence.  I like my SUV and there will be another one in my future.  The automobile is freedom.  I'm on my schedule

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

Yup.  Where I live you can walker faster than public transit and riding a bike is a death sentence.  I like my SUV and there will be another one in my future.  The automobile is freedom.  I'm on my schedule

What if every Bruce Springsteen was about taking the subway or a bus pass out of town...doesn't work, even though his most famous song name checks a damn Hemi.  

oftenreading

There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

Yup.  Where I live you can walker faster than public transit and riding a bike is a death sentence.  I like my SUV and there will be another one in my future.  The automobile is freedom.  I'm on my schedule

What if every Bruce Springsteen was about taking the subway or a bus pass out of town...doesn't work, even though his most famous song name checks a damn Hemi.  

"got a car, got some gas........."

mickeyrat

oftenreading said:

There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 

what you call lazy, many see as expedient.

I have a 20 mile commute each way. I work between 9 and 14 hours a day. I am not taking public transportation.......

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 

Yeah, my city is not well designed for walking, public transit, or cycling at all.  There has been a push to make it more pedestrian friendly, but to fully expect the majority of the residents to stop driving would be naive.  I would say that the majority of my city’s growth happened after the automobile came along.  

Jason P

I figured we would have Jetsons cars and beaming around in teleportors by now.

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 

Of course modern expansion and revitalization efforts are centered around traffic flow, but the origins of most cities predated the advent of the vehicle.  The Big Dig in Boston and obviously the Springfield Junction in DC were clearly designed for traffic flow.  But the original plans and in many cases the first 200 years of a city were not built around automobiles.  The exception of course are in the New South, where cities like Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, etc.,grew up post Industrial Revolution.  So again, it's a chicken and egg discussion and it circles around.  

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

People who drive cars are not lazy...just more nonsense on this site.  Canada is a very large country with lots of space and distance between cities...walking, riding a bike and public transit is just not an option for many Canadians...and Canadians love their truck and SUVs just as much as Americans...

But I guess I should have walked or ridden a bike on my near 100 KM round trip to work and back for 25 years.  LMFAO...

The only time I use public transportation is when I go to NYC, otherwise I drive around in my SUV.  I can't even imagine riding a bike to work,  yeah hell no.  

Yup.  Where I live you can walker faster than public transit and riding a bike is a death sentence.  I like my SUV and there will be another one in my future.  The automobile is freedom.  I'm on my schedule

What if every Bruce Springsteen was about taking the subway or a bus pass out of town...doesn't work, even though his most famous song name checks a damn Hemi.  

"got a car, got some gas........."

It's the most Bruce song he's ever written, in my opinion.  He uses direct imagery in that song in a very different way than most of his lyrics.  He truly channels Bruce there. Needless to say, I fucking love it.  Sadly, I haven't seen it since Philly 2 2013, one of my fav "modern era" show.  

edit - and the coolest thing about that show is that Bruce was sitting 15 feet to my left at the soundboard, watching the show.  He was wearing a baseball cap, but I saw his ass.  Awesome.  

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 

Yeah, my city is not well designed for walking, public transit, or cycling at all.  There has been a push to make it more pedestrian friendly, but to fully expect the majority of the residents to stop driving would be naive.  I would say that the majority of my city’s growth happened after the automobile came along.  

You're in Austin, right?  TX is the New South for sure.  

mickeyrat

Jason P said:

I figured we would have Jetsons cars and beaming around in teleportors by now.

jet packs. wheres the fucking jet packs.....

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

There is a huge field of research about how American cities are designed for cars rather than for other forms of transportation, so it’s kind of crazy to try to claim otherwise. It’s been the major feature of urban planning for many decades until just the last few years, and most of these posts show why - people think it’s too much work or hassle or time to do things any different than jump in their car. Luckily, planners are starting to see things differently now. Even existing cities can be changed somewhat to make walking, cycling and public transit more attractive, for those that aren’t too lazy to get out of their cars. If you look around any well designed city you will see parents dropping kids at school or daycare, people getting to work, people buying groceries, all without using cars. 

Of course modern expansion and revitalization efforts are centered around traffic flow, but the origins of most cities predated the advent of the vehicle.  The Big Dig in Boston and obviously the Springfield Junction in DC were clearly designed for traffic flow.  But the original plans and in many cases the first 200 years of a city were not built around automobiles.  The exception of course are in the New South, where cities like Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, etc.,grew up post Industrial Revolution.  So again, it's a chicken and egg discussion and it circles around.  

Let’s not forget the role of lobbying by the automobile and oil industry and the favoritism of freight rail over passenger rail and the demise of the street car and intra and inter city bus travel, all subsidized by the taxpayers at their expense and the environment’s.

Does NOVA commuter rail run on weekends yet or past 7:00 p.m.? It didn’t when I commuted into DC.

Spiritual_Chaos

People in her glorifying driving their SUVs while it being a big environmental problem.

Amazing.