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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    edited May 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    You see fit to criticize the US at every turn.  You seem to ignore your acquiescence to evil during the most consequential point in world history.  I'm just doing you a favor and reminding you that the alternative to war is not always peace.  
    Swedens part in WW2 has been discussed on this forum as recent as 2019. When did I ignore it? Mr whatsaboutism.

    What exactly have I criticized about the US and WW2 here? In Bulletpoints if possible.
    You stated the US started the war, Mr. Can'tFindaMirror.  Second, I'm pretty sure US actions has been discussed all the fucking time.  Mostly brought up by you.  So if there is a one time statute of limitation on the discussion, you've well exceeded that.  
    I stated that as a witty comment when someone - who often defends and puffs up the US - said that WW2 wasn't started by Germany but you could say it was started much earlier by Japan.

    And it could be that you understand that, but is now skewing things for this angry narrative of yours. Which would be dishonest. Or you are only able to read text strictly literal. Which you should put as your tag, if that is the case. Would help.

    Fridens liljor. 
    My god don’t be so passive.  And yes some scholars argue that world war 2 started with japan and China.  But yes, world war 2 was six years and a day. When Germany invaded Poland it became a world war since Japan and China were already at war.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Except that they don't.  It's one of the current 'arguments' against abortion, that people are practicing eugenics.  So Indiana passed a dumb ass law, because they are dumb ass Indiana.  The reality is that the vast, vast majority of abortions are about economic considerations.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,476
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Weird if it is in a western country. But it is common in parts of Asia, China being a famous example:

     In 1979, China enacted the one child policy, which, within the country's deeply patriarchal culture, resulted in an unbalanced birth sex ratio. The one child policy was enforced very aggressively throughout the years, including through forced abortions and forced sterilizations, but it has been gradually loosened in recent years, and formally abolished in 2015.[58] China's strong son preference is well documented in documentaries such as The Dying Rooms (1995) and It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World (2012).

    Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Weird if it is in a western country. But it is common in parts of Asia, China being a famous example:

     In 1979, China enacted the one child policy, which, within the country's deeply patriarchal culture, resulted in an unbalanced birth sex ratio. The one child policy was enforced very aggressively throughout the years, including through forced abortions and forced sterilizations, but it has been gradually loosened in recent years, and formally abolished in 2015.[58] China's strong son preference is well documented in documentaries such as The Dying Rooms (1995) and It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World (2012).

    Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?
    I knew it was practiced in China but never knew that about the US.  You could be right. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    Nice reminder of what a piece of shit Pence is.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Except that they don't.  It's one of the current 'arguments' against abortion, that people are practicing eugenics.  So Indiana passed a dumb ass law, because they are dumb ass Indiana.  The reality is that the vast, vast majority of abortions are about economic considerations.  
    Got ya. The abortion and gun argument are very similar. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Except that they don't.  It's one of the current 'arguments' against abortion, that people are practicing eugenics.  So Indiana passed a dumb ass law, because they are dumb ass Indiana.  The reality is that the vast, vast majority of abortions are about economic considerations.  
    Got ya. The abortion and gun argument are very similar. 
    Except an abortion is a private decision made by a woman regarding her own body.  When a gun owner goes bad, it affects society at large.  So I would not agree with the characterization.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Weird if it is in a western country. But it is common in parts of Asia, China being a famous example:

     In 1979, China enacted the one child policy, which, within the country's deeply patriarchal culture, resulted in an unbalanced birth sex ratio. The one child policy was enforced very aggressively throughout the years, including through forced abortions and forced sterilizations, but it has been gradually loosened in recent years, and formally abolished in 2015.[58] China's strong son preference is well documented in documentaries such as The Dying Rooms (1995) and It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World (2012).

    Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?
    I knew it was practiced in China but never knew that about the US.  You could be right. 
    NO!  How can you draw a correlation between a gov't actually forcing abortions and a woman choosing on her own?  There is no similarity, they are polar opposites.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,476
    edited May 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    The reality is that the vast, vast majority of abortions are about economic considerations.  
    This surprised me. Anecdotal, but every abortion I know off has been for the reason of "fuck, what a mistake, I'm to young to have a child right now/the dude I was with is not someone I want to have as the father of one of my children!"
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Except that they don't.  It's one of the current 'arguments' against abortion, that people are practicing eugenics.  So Indiana passed a dumb ass law, because they are dumb ass Indiana.  The reality is that the vast, vast majority of abortions are about economic considerations.  
    Got ya. The abortion and gun argument are very similar. 
    Except an abortion is a private decision made by a woman regarding her own body.  When a gun owner goes bad, it affects society at large.  So I would not agree with the characterization.  
    No I mean there is no middle ground and neither side wants to give an inch. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,476
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Weird if it is in a western country. But it is common in parts of Asia, China being a famous example:

     In 1979, China enacted the one child policy, which, within the country's deeply patriarchal culture, resulted in an unbalanced birth sex ratio. The one child policy was enforced very aggressively throughout the years, including through forced abortions and forced sterilizations, but it has been gradually loosened in recent years, and formally abolished in 2015.[58] China's strong son preference is well documented in documentaries such as The Dying Rooms (1995) and It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World (2012).

    Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?
    I knew it was practiced in China but never knew that about the US.  You could be right. 
    NO!  How can you draw a correlation between a gov't actually forcing abortions and a woman choosing on her own?  There is no similarity, they are polar opposites.  
    He's saying he didn't know abortions because of the child's sex was practiced in the US.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    edited May 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Weird if it is in a western country. But it is common in parts of Asia, China being a famous example:

     In 1979, China enacted the one child policy, which, within the country's deeply patriarchal culture, resulted in an unbalanced birth sex ratio. The one child policy was enforced very aggressively throughout the years, including through forced abortions and forced sterilizations, but it has been gradually loosened in recent years, and formally abolished in 2015.[58] China's strong son preference is well documented in documentaries such as The Dying Rooms (1995) and It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World (2012).

    Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?
    I knew it was practiced in China but never knew that about the US.  You could be right. 
    NO!  How can you draw a correlation between a gov't actually forcing abortions and a woman choosing on her own?  There is no similarity, they are polar opposites.  
    No I was agreeing with: "Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?" 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,455
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    this was indiana's arguement as a reason FOR this law.

    from the same article...

    Justice Clarence Thomas wrote in a lengthy opinion that he "would have thought it could go without saying that nothing in the Constitution or any decision of this court prevents a state from requiring abortion facilities to provide for the respectful treatment of human remains."
     
    But he said that the court will eventually have to take up abortion laws in the near future, writing that he was concerned of the possibility of abortions being used for "eugenics."


    so it seems theres a fan of this law on the court.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Weird if it is in a western country. But it is common in parts of Asia, China being a famous example:

     In 1979, China enacted the one child policy, which, within the country's deeply patriarchal culture, resulted in an unbalanced birth sex ratio. The one child policy was enforced very aggressively throughout the years, including through forced abortions and forced sterilizations, but it has been gradually loosened in recent years, and formally abolished in 2015.[58] China's strong son preference is well documented in documentaries such as The Dying Rooms (1995) and It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World (2012).

    Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?
    I knew it was practiced in China but never knew that about the US.  You could be right. 
    NO!  How can you draw a correlation between a gov't actually forcing abortions and a woman choosing on her own?  There is no similarity, they are polar opposites.  
    He's saying he didn't know abortions because of the child's sex was practiced in the US.
    Correct and I was saying you could be right when you mentioned that this type of thinking might have been brought to the US by immigrants.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Weird if it is in a western country. But it is common in parts of Asia, China being a famous example:

     In 1979, China enacted the one child policy, which, within the country's deeply patriarchal culture, resulted in an unbalanced birth sex ratio. The one child policy was enforced very aggressively throughout the years, including through forced abortions and forced sterilizations, but it has been gradually loosened in recent years, and formally abolished in 2015.[58] China's strong son preference is well documented in documentaries such as The Dying Rooms (1995) and It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World (2012).

    Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?
    I knew it was practiced in China but never knew that about the US.  You could be right. 
    NO!  How can you draw a correlation between a gov't actually forcing abortions and a woman choosing on her own?  There is no similarity, they are polar opposites.  
    No I was agreeing with: "Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?" 
    I don't think it was.  In fact, eugenics was popular in some pretty radical circles about 100 years ago, right here in the US.  It was during the time where the concepts of racial superiority were really taking hold (more than ever before).  Obviously the Nazis were big believers, but so were many Americans.  Pointing to eugenics to make abortions less accessible is disingenuous, in my opinion.  The anti-choice crowd has latched onto that as yet another excuse for the laws.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,476
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Court decided not to take up the Indiana abortion law.  This is a win for pro-choice advocates.  We'll see what happens with Alabama.  

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445719-supreme-court-allows-indiana-law-on-fetal-remains-to-go-into-effect
    "But the court declined to take up a challenge to a provision blocking abortions on the basis of sex, race or disability, avoiding a major ruling on abortion for the time being." 

    People abort because of the sex of the baby?  That's some messed up shit right there.
    Weird if it is in a western country. But it is common in parts of Asia, China being a famous example:

     In 1979, China enacted the one child policy, which, within the country's deeply patriarchal culture, resulted in an unbalanced birth sex ratio. The one child policy was enforced very aggressively throughout the years, including through forced abortions and forced sterilizations, but it has been gradually loosened in recent years, and formally abolished in 2015.[58] China's strong son preference is well documented in documentaries such as The Dying Rooms (1995) and It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World (2012).

    Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?
    I knew it was practiced in China but never knew that about the US.  You could be right. 
    NO!  How can you draw a correlation between a gov't actually forcing abortions and a woman choosing on her own?  There is no similarity, they are polar opposites.  
    No I was agreeing with: "Could it be this factor has come to the US with immigration from these countries?" 
    I don't think it was.  

    While the majority of parents in United States do not practice sex-selective abortion, there is certainly a trend toward male preference. According to a 2011 Gallup poll, if they were only allowed to have one child, 40% of respondents said they would prefer a boy, while only 28% preferred a girl.[108] When told about prenatal sex selection techniques such as sperm sorting and in vitro fertilization embryo selection, 40% of Americans surveyed thought that picking embryos by sex was an acceptable manifestation of reproductive rights.[109]These selecting techniques are available at about half of American fertility clinics, as of 2006.[110]

    However, it is notable that minority groups that immigrate into the United States bring their cultural views and mindsets into the country with them. A study carried out at a Massachusetts infertility clinic shows that the majority of couples using these techniques, such as Preimplantation genetic diagnosis came from a Chinese or Asian background. This is thought to branch from the social importance of giving birth to male children in China and other Asian countries.[111]

    A study of the 2000 United States Census suggests possible male bias in families of Chinese, Korean and Indian immigrants, which was getting increasingly stronger in families where first one or two children were female. In those families where the first two children were girls, the birth sex ratio of the third child was 151.[112]

    Because of this movement toward sex preference and selection, many bans on sex-selective abortion have been proposed at the state and federal level. In 2010 and 2011, sex-selective abortions were banned in Oklahoma and Arizona, respectively. Legislators in Georgia, West Virginia, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, and New York have also tried to pass acts banning the procedure

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The reality is that the vast, vast majority of abortions are about economic considerations.  
    This surprised me. Anecdotal, but every abortion I know off has been for the reason of "fuck, what a mistake, I'm to young to have a child right now/the dude I was with is not someone I want to have as the father of one of my children!"
    In the US, African Americans have disproportionately more abortions than their white counterparts.  It's no coincidence where they stand on the relative economic ladder either.  I think things are probably different in Sweden both because of the racial makeup and the accessibility of medicine.  And that's really the irony of this whole argument.  Abortions would go down if we had better healthcare access and public assistance.  The joke that Republicans don't give a shit about you once you are born is dead true in this matter. 
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