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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,784
    KP_McMinn said:
    yay more government control!  Liberalism is a disease. 
    You can’t name one thing tha been taken from you not one zero nada zilch  ! Will be here waiting 


    What do I win? ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,591
    KP_McMinn said:
    yay more government control!  Liberalism is a disease. 
    no, liberalism is the vaccine.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,600
    generally most western democracies

    lib​er​al​ism
    noun
    lib·​er·​al·​ism
     | \ ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm  \

    Collegiate Definition

    • 1: the quality or state of being liberal
    • 2aoften capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
      b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see GOLD STANDARD sense 1)
      c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see AUTONOMY sense 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
      specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)
      dcapitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal (see LIBERAL entry 1 sense 6b) party
    Other Words
    • lib​er​al​ist \ ˈli-b(ə-)rə-list  \ noun or adjective
    • lib​er​al​is​tic \ ˌli-b(ə-)rə-ˈli-stik  \ adjective
    Synonyms & Antonyms
    Synonyms
    leftleftismleft wing
    Antonyms
    conservatismilliberalismimmobilismright
    Examples
    • liberalism had always claimed to stand for the greatest social good
    First Known Use
    1816, in the meaning defined at sense 1
    History and Etymology
    see LIBERAL entry 1

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,788
    Yeah who likes a liberal democracy anyway. 
  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 4,349
    KP_McMinn said:
    yay more government control!  Liberalism is a disease. 
    You can’t name one thing tha been taken from you not one zero nada zilch  ! Will be here waiting 

    It is impossible for right wingers to debate right now outside of their parler/Fox/OANN echo chambers because there is no debate.

    Facts win

    ironic as the QOP is trying to suppress voters. 

    We should be making it easier for all to vote.
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 15,230
    KP_McMinn said:
    yay more government control!  Liberalism is a disease. 
    You can’t name one thing tha been taken from you not one zero nada zilch  ! Will be here waiting 


    What do I win? ;)
    Yes, what??
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  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 24,197

    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,591
    Smellyman said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    yay more government control!  Liberalism is a disease. 
    You can’t name one thing tha been taken from you not one zero nada zilch  ! Will be here waiting 

    It is impossible for right wingers to debate right now outside of their parler/Fox/OANN echo chambers because there is no debate.

    Facts win

    ironic as the QOP is trying to suppress voters. 

    We should be making it easier for all to vote.
    the only thing the gop wants to talk about is white grievance politics, and that is not a winning topic for most americans. they have no winning policy positions, so all they can do is blame biden and talk about how conservatives, i mean white people, are being oppressed.

    it is funny that for the first time fox lost ratings to msnbc last week. the american people are catching on that white grievance politics are boring and will not win you elections. unless you cheat, which is a whole different issue.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,604
    Smellyman said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    yay more government control!  Liberalism is a disease. 
    You can’t name one thing tha been taken from you not one zero nada zilch  ! Will be here waiting 

    It is impossible for right wingers to debate right now outside of their parler/Fox/OANN echo chambers because there is no debate.

    Facts win

    ironic as the QOP is trying to suppress voters. 

    We should be making it easier for all to vote.
    Please don't bring facts into this. 
    Everyone knows that facts, like numbers weather and reality, all have a liberal  bias.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,610
    KP_McMinn said:
    yay more government control!  Liberalism is a disease. 
    looks like someone follows Don Jr on twitter and just pukes out everything his coke-filled sinuses sucks up. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,610
    you know, I can't help but think....saying an "(ideology) is a disease" isn't all that different than being some type of bigot, isn't it?
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,327
    Rumour has it that Putin on the ritz wants to be neighbors with this guy.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-palm-beach-house-49-million-sale-2021-3


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,327
    Rate for tomorrow night, after you party at the inaugural.


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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,700
    4 DAYS.  NICE.

    10 years in the 10club... 2010-2020 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,327
    Tsk, tsk, tsk, New York State investigators issue subpoenas for, guess? If you guessed loan documents related to POOTW’s tower located in Chicago, you’d be a pretty good dot connector. Mmmmmmmmmm, dots. Dimitri Firtash where art thou? Shhhhhh, Austria fighting extradition to Chicago.

    A recap of many, many dots:

    https://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-dont-miss-forest-trees/
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,600
    awww a lovers quarrel

    Trump, RNC clash over using his name in fundraising
    By JILL COLVIN
    Yesterday

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican National Committee is defending its right to use former President Donald Trump's name in fundraising appeals after he demanded they put an end to the practice.

    In a Monday letter to Trump attorney Alex Cannon, RNC chief counsel J. Justin Riemer said the committee “has every right to refer to public figures as it engages in core, First Amendment-protected political speech" and said "it will continue to do so in pursuit of these common goals.”

    But he maintained that Trump had also “reaffirmed” to the chair of the RNC, Ronna McDaniel, over the weekend "that he approves of the RNC’s current use of his name in fundraising and other materials, including for our upcoming donor retreat event at Palm Beach at which we look forward to him participating.”

    Trump responded to the letter with a statement that put that agreement in doubt. “No more money for RINOS," or Republican in name only, he stated. “They do nothing but hurt the Republican Party and our great voting base — they will never lead us to Greatness.” He instead again urged his supporters to send their contributions directly to his own Save America PAC by using his personal website, adding, "We will bring it all back stronger than ever before!”

    The flap reflects the tensions that have divided the GOP in the months since Trump left the White House. The party is eager to tap into his popularity among the Republican base to raise money ahead of next year's midterms. But that runs counter to Trump's instinct to control the use of his name and image as he aims to position himself as the undisputed leader of the GOP.

    In his first major speech since leaving office, Trump urged his supporters to give their money to Save America, his political action committee, instead of the GOP's traditional fundraising organizations. And on Friday, his group sent letters to the RNC and others asking them to “immediately cease and desist the unauthorized use of President Donald J. Trump’s name, image, and/or likeness in all fundraising, persuasion, and/or issue speech," according to the RNC letter.

    The House and Senate Republican campaign committees and a Trump spokesman did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    The RNC and Trump's campaign worked hand-in-hand during the 2020 election, including raising money through a joint fundraising committee. And ties between them remain.

    Trump is scheduled to speak at the RNC’s spring donor retreat in April in Palm Beach, Florida, and has told McDaniel that he wants to continue raising money for the RNC even as he amasses cash for his own pursuits. That includes exacting revenge by backing challengers to Republican incumbents who crossed him by voting to impeach him for inciting the Capitol riot.

    Despite the letters, the RNC and others have continued to fundraise off of Trump's name.

    “CONGRATULATIONS! You have been selected as one of the FIRST to be invited to claim your Trump Legacy Membership,” the RNC wrote in one appeal on Sunday.

    “We NEED 10,000 patriots who still stand with President Trump before midnight tonight," “URGENT: TRUMP SUPPORTERS NEEDED,” added the National Republican Senatorial Committee Monday afternoon.


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,600
     
    Claimed value of sleepy NY estate could come to haunt Trump
    By MICHAEL R. SISAK
    Yesterday

    NEW YORK (AP) — It’s sleepy by Donald Trump’s standards, but the former president's century-old estate in New York's Westchester County could end up being one of his bigger legal nightmares.

    Seven Springs, a 213-acre swath of nature surrounding a Georgian-style mansion, is a subject of two state investigations: a criminal probe by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. and a civil inquiry by New York Attorney General Letitia James.

    Both investigations focus on whether Trump manipulated the property's value to reap greater tax benefits from an environmental conservation arrangement he made at the end of 2015, while running for president.

    Purchased by Trump in 1995 for $7.5 million, Seven Springs drew renewed scrutiny as he prepared to leave office and was on the cusp of losing legal protections he had as president. Vance issued new subpoenas in mid-December, and a judge ordered evidence to be turned over to James' office nine days after Trump departed Washington.

    Other Trump legal woes, such as inquiries into his attempts to influence election officials and payments made on his behalf to women alleging affairs, have dominated the headlines. But former Manhattan prosecutor Duncan Levin said white-collar investigators go wherever the paper trail leads.

    It's sleepy by Donald Trump's standards, but the former president's century-old estate in New York's Westchester County could end up being one of his bigger legal nightmares. (March 8)

    “While a tax issue related to a conservation arrangement might not be as sexy as a hush-money payment, prosecutors are likely to focus on any violation of law that they find,” Levin said. “Remember, the authorities got Al Capone on tax evasion.”

    Seven Springs in Mount Kisco, N.Y., covered in snow, Tuesday, Feb. 23, 2021. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

    Seven Springs is an outlier in a Trump real estate portfolio filled with glossy high-rises and gold-plated amenities. It is listed on his website as a family retreat, although Trump hasn’t been there in more than four years.

    At the heart of the estate is the mansion built as a summer getaway in 1919 by Eugene Meyer, who went on to become Federal Reserve chairman and owner of The Washington Post. In 2006, while pushing a plan to build luxury homes on the property near Mount Kisco, Trump floated the idea that he and his family were going to move into the mansion, but that never happened.

    Brand new, the 28,322-square-foot dwelling featured more than a dozen bedrooms, an indoor swimming pool, a bowling alley and a tennis court. Meyer's daughter, the late Washington Post publisher Katharine Graham, was married at Seven Springs in 1940.

    In her memoir “Personal History,” Graham described ambivalent emotions about going there, writing: “The older I got, the more I disliked the loneliness of the farm, but in my childhood days, it was, as I wrote my father when I was 10, ‘a great old Place.’”

    At one point, Meyer owned about 700 acres. A philanthropic foundation established by him and his wife, Agnes, gifted 247 acres to the Nature Conservancy and the remaining land and buildings that made up Seven Springs to Yale University in 1973, after Agnes Meyer's death.

    The estate changed hands again when the foundation took it back from Yale and operated a conference center there before passing the real estate holdings to Rockefeller University, which eventually sold it to Trump.

    Trump paid about $2.25 million under the list price for Seven Springs, acquiring the land as part of an effort to jumpstart his fortunes after a series of failures in the early 1990s, including casino bankruptcies and the sale of his money-losing Trump Shuttle airline.

    Trump envisioned transforming it into his first championship-caliber golf course, with an exclusive clientele and lofty membership fees.

    He hired an architecture firm to plot fairways and greens but abandoned the effort when residents voiced concerns that lawn chemicals would contaminate neighboring Byram Lake, a local source of drinking water.

    Seven Springs covered in snow. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

    Trump’s then tried building houses. He proposed putting up 46 single-family homes, and after that plan also met community opposition, 15 mansion-sized dwellings which he described in 2004 as “super-high-end residential, the likes of which has never been seen on the East Coast.” The project was held up by years of litigation and no homes were ever built.

    In 2009, Trump made a splash by allowing Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi to pitch his Bedouin-style tent on the Seven Springs property north of New York City because he had no other place to stay for a U.N. visit.

    Trump initially suggested he didn’t know Gaddafi was involved, but later conceded he “made a lot of money” renting the land to the Libyan leader. Local officials halted work on the tent and Gaddafi never stayed there.

    His development plans dashed, Trump opted for a strategy that would allow him to keep the property but reduce his taxes. He granted an easement to a conservation land trust to preserve 158 acres (60 hectares) of meadows and mature forest.

    Trump received a $21 million income tax deduction, equal to the value of the conserved land, according to property and court records. The amount was based on a professional appraisal that valued the full Seven Springs property at $56.5 million as of Dec. 1, 2015.

    That was a much higher amount that the evaluation by local government assessors, who said the entire estate was worth $20 million.

    Michael Colangelo, a lawyer in the New York attorney general's office, outlined the central question involving the Seven Springs easement at a hearing last year regarding a dispute over evidence.

    “If the value of the easement was improperly inflated, who obtained the benefit from that improper inflation and in what amounts?” Colangelo said. “It goes without saying that the attorney general needs to see the records that would reflect the value of that deduction, as it flowed up to intermediate entities, and ultimately to Mr. Trump, personally.”

    A message seeking comment was left with Trump’s spokesperson. In the past, the Republican ex-president has decried the investigations as part of a “witch hunt.”

    Seven Springs caught investigators’ attention after Trump’s longtime personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen told a congressional committee in 2019 that Trump had a habit of manipulating property values — inflating them in some cases and minimizing them in others to gain favorable loan terms and tax benefits.

    Cohen testified that Trump had financial statements saying Seven Springs was worth $291 million as of 2012. He gave copies of three of Trump's financial statements to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform during his testimony.

    Cohen said the statements, from 2011, 2012 and 2013, were ones Trump gave to his main lender, Deutsche Bank, to inquire about a loan to buy the NFL's Buffalo Bills and to Forbes magazine to substantiate his claim to a place on its list of the world's wealthiest people.

    Trump, on his annual financial disclosure forms while president, said the property was worth between $25 million and $50 million.

    Seven Springs covered in snow. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

    New York's attorney general was first to act. James issued subpoenas to commercial real estate services firm Cushman & Wakefield for records relating to its assessment work on Trump’s behalf; to law firms that worked on the Seven Springs project; and to Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, for records relating to its annual financial statements and the conservation easement.

    James also subpoenaed zoning and planning records in 2019 from the three towns Seven Springs spans, Bedford, North Castle and New Castle. Vance followed with his own subpoenas in December. One town clerk said investigators were given “boxes and boxes of documents” in response. They included tax statements, surveying maps, environmental studies and planning board meeting minutes.

    James’ investigators have interviewed Trump’s son, Eric Trump, an executive vice president at the Trump Organization and the president of the limited liability company through which it owns Seven Springs; Trump’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg; and lawyers Trump hired for the Seven Springs project who specialize in land-use and federal tax controversies.

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    The investigators have yet to determine whether any law was broken.

    Vance, who like James is a Democrat, hasn’t disclosed much about his criminal probe, in part because of grand jury secrecy rules. The district attorney's office has said in court papers that it is focusing on public reports of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization.”

    Documents filed in connection with the criminal investigation — buoyed by a U.S. Supreme Court ruling last month granting Vance access to Trump’s tax records — have listed Seven Springs among possible targets.

    Along with the mansion, Seven Springs has a Tudor-style home once owned by ketchup magnate H.J. Heinz, and smaller carriage houses that Trump’s adult sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, have said served as “home base” when they visited the estate to hike and ride ATVs.

    During his presidency, Trump himself opted for higher-profile properties like his Bedminster, New Jersey golf course and his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, where he’s been living since leaving the White House.

    The New York Times reported last year that Trump’s tax records showed he classified the estate not as a personal residence but an investment property, enabling him to write off more than $2 million in property taxes since 2014.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,327
    mickeyrat said:
     
    Claimed value of sleepy NY estate could come to haunt Trump
    By MICHAEL R. SISAK
    Yesterday

    NEW YORK (AP) — It’s sleepy by Donald Trump’s standards, but the former president's century-old estate in New York's Westchester County could end up being one of his bigger legal nightmares.

    Seven Springs, a 213-acre swath of nature surrounding a Georgian-style mansion, is a subject of two state investigations: a criminal probe by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. and a civil inquiry by New York Attorney General Letitia James.

    Both investigations focus on whether Trump manipulated the property's value to reap greater tax benefits from an environmental conservation arrangement he made at the end of 2015, while running for president.

    Purchased by Trump in 1995 for $7.5 million, Seven Springs drew renewed scrutiny as he prepared to leave office and was on the cusp of losing legal protections he had as president. Vance issued new subpoenas in mid-December, and a judge ordered evidence to be turned over to James' office nine days after Trump departed Washington.

    Other Trump legal woes, such as inquiries into his attempts to influence election officials and payments made on his behalf to women alleging affairs, have dominated the headlines. But former Manhattan prosecutor Duncan Levin said white-collar investigators go wherever the paper trail leads.

    It's sleepy by Donald Trump's standards, but the former president's century-old estate in New York's Westchester County could end up being one of his bigger legal nightmares. (March 8)

    “While a tax issue related to a conservation arrangement might not be as sexy as a hush-money payment, prosecutors are likely to focus on any violation of law that they find,” Levin said. “Remember, the authorities got Al Capone on tax evasion.”

    Seven Springs in Mount Kisco, N.Y., covered in snow, Tuesday, Feb. 23, 2021. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

    Seven Springs is an outlier in a Trump real estate portfolio filled with glossy high-rises and gold-plated amenities. It is listed on his website as a family retreat, although Trump hasn’t been there in more than four years.

    At the heart of the estate is the mansion built as a summer getaway in 1919 by Eugene Meyer, who went on to become Federal Reserve chairman and owner of The Washington Post. In 2006, while pushing a plan to build luxury homes on the property near Mount Kisco, Trump floated the idea that he and his family were going to move into the mansion, but that never happened.

    Brand new, the 28,322-square-foot dwelling featured more than a dozen bedrooms, an indoor swimming pool, a bowling alley and a tennis court. Meyer's daughter, the late Washington Post publisher Katharine Graham, was married at Seven Springs in 1940.

    In her memoir “Personal History,” Graham described ambivalent emotions about going there, writing: “The older I got, the more I disliked the loneliness of the farm, but in my childhood days, it was, as I wrote my father when I was 10, ‘a great old Place.’”

    At one point, Meyer owned about 700 acres. A philanthropic foundation established by him and his wife, Agnes, gifted 247 acres to the Nature Conservancy and the remaining land and buildings that made up Seven Springs to Yale University in 1973, after Agnes Meyer's death.

    The estate changed hands again when the foundation took it back from Yale and operated a conference center there before passing the real estate holdings to Rockefeller University, which eventually sold it to Trump.

    Trump paid about $2.25 million under the list price for Seven Springs, acquiring the land as part of an effort to jumpstart his fortunes after a series of failures in the early 1990s, including casino bankruptcies and the sale of his money-losing Trump Shuttle airline.

    Trump envisioned transforming it into his first championship-caliber golf course, with an exclusive clientele and lofty membership fees.

    He hired an architecture firm to plot fairways and greens but abandoned the effort when residents voiced concerns that lawn chemicals would contaminate neighboring Byram Lake, a local source of drinking water.

    Seven Springs covered in snow. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

    Trump’s then tried building houses. He proposed putting up 46 single-family homes, and after that plan also met community opposition, 15 mansion-sized dwellings which he described in 2004 as “super-high-end residential, the likes of which has never been seen on the East Coast.” The project was held up by years of litigation and no homes were ever built.

    In 2009, Trump made a splash by allowing Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi to pitch his Bedouin-style tent on the Seven Springs property north of New York City because he had no other place to stay for a U.N. visit.

    Trump initially suggested he didn’t know Gaddafi was involved, but later conceded he “made a lot of money” renting the land to the Libyan leader. Local officials halted work on the tent and Gaddafi never stayed there.

    His development plans dashed, Trump opted for a strategy that would allow him to keep the property but reduce his taxes. He granted an easement to a conservation land trust to preserve 158 acres (60 hectares) of meadows and mature forest.

    Trump received a $21 million income tax deduction, equal to the value of the conserved land, according to property and court records. The amount was based on a professional appraisal that valued the full Seven Springs property at $56.5 million as of Dec. 1, 2015.

    That was a much higher amount that the evaluation by local government assessors, who said the entire estate was worth $20 million.

    Michael Colangelo, a lawyer in the New York attorney general's office, outlined the central question involving the Seven Springs easement at a hearing last year regarding a dispute over evidence.

    “If the value of the easement was improperly inflated, who obtained the benefit from that improper inflation and in what amounts?” Colangelo said. “It goes without saying that the attorney general needs to see the records that would reflect the value of that deduction, as it flowed up to intermediate entities, and ultimately to Mr. Trump, personally.”

    A message seeking comment was left with Trump’s spokesperson. In the past, the Republican ex-president has decried the investigations as part of a “witch hunt.”

    Seven Springs caught investigators’ attention after Trump’s longtime personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen told a congressional committee in 2019 that Trump had a habit of manipulating property values — inflating them in some cases and minimizing them in others to gain favorable loan terms and tax benefits.

    Cohen testified that Trump had financial statements saying Seven Springs was worth $291 million as of 2012. He gave copies of three of Trump's financial statements to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform during his testimony.

    Cohen said the statements, from 2011, 2012 and 2013, were ones Trump gave to his main lender, Deutsche Bank, to inquire about a loan to buy the NFL's Buffalo Bills and to Forbes magazine to substantiate his claim to a place on its list of the world's wealthiest people.

    Trump, on his annual financial disclosure forms while president, said the property was worth between $25 million and $50 million.

    Seven Springs covered in snow. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

    New York's attorney general was first to act. James issued subpoenas to commercial real estate services firm Cushman & Wakefield for records relating to its assessment work on Trump’s behalf; to law firms that worked on the Seven Springs project; and to Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, for records relating to its annual financial statements and the conservation easement.

    James also subpoenaed zoning and planning records in 2019 from the three towns Seven Springs spans, Bedford, North Castle and New Castle. Vance followed with his own subpoenas in December. One town clerk said investigators were given “boxes and boxes of documents” in response. They included tax statements, surveying maps, environmental studies and planning board meeting minutes.

    James’ investigators have interviewed Trump’s son, Eric Trump, an executive vice president at the Trump Organization and the president of the limited liability company through which it owns Seven Springs; Trump’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg; and lawyers Trump hired for the Seven Springs project who specialize in land-use and federal tax controversies.

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    The investigators have yet to determine whether any law was broken.

    Vance, who like James is a Democrat, hasn’t disclosed much about his criminal probe, in part because of grand jury secrecy rules. The district attorney's office has said in court papers that it is focusing on public reports of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization.”

    Documents filed in connection with the criminal investigation — buoyed by a U.S. Supreme Court ruling last month granting Vance access to Trump’s tax records — have listed Seven Springs among possible targets.

    Along with the mansion, Seven Springs has a Tudor-style home once owned by ketchup magnate H.J. Heinz, and smaller carriage houses that Trump’s adult sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, have said served as “home base” when they visited the estate to hike and ride ATVs.

    During his presidency, Trump himself opted for higher-profile properties like his Bedminster, New Jersey golf course and his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, where he’s been living since leaving the White House.

    The New York Times reported last year that Trump’s tax records showed he classified the estate not as a personal residence but an investment property, enabling him to write off more than $2 million in property taxes since 2014.

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    https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1370532688814206977?s=21
    You can add rescue pets to the grifters list of ways to line his filthy pockets! They are the scummiest American family ever!
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,354
    Things like this shouldn’t be forgotten: 



  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,647
    All the Asian hate crimes are all his fault!
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,306
    edited March 17
    All the Asian hate crimes are all his fault!
    Seriously? 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,628
    nicknyr15 said:
    All the Asian hate crimes are all his fault!
    Seriously? 
    I suppose you can split hairs as to whether it’s legitimately true that all are his fault. But it’s hard to deny his culpability given that a third of the country believes he walks in water and he spent a big chunk of the last year using racist language to try to deflect from his bungling of the handling the virus.
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    He's still publicly calling it the "China Virus".
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,591
    he called it kung flu last week.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,788
    he called it kung flu last week.
    I admit that I called it that way back in March of last year, way before Trump did.  I thought it was funny.... 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,610
    mrussel1 said:
    he called it kung flu last week.
    I admit that I called it that way back in March of last year, way before Trump did.  I thought it was funny.... 
    I didn't personally call it that, but I'll admit I chuckled when I first heard it. however, laughing at something or saying something in private is quite a bit different than the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES calling it that. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,610
    he called it kung flu last week.
    did he get twitter back or something? i'm thankfully blissfully unaware of anything that tub of shit says. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,591
    he called it kung flu last week.
    did he get twitter back or something? i'm thankfully blissfully unaware of anything that tub of shit says. 
    it was in an interview
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,591
    mrussel1 said:
    he called it kung flu last week.
    I admit that I called it that way back in March of last year, way before Trump did.  I thought it was funny.... 
    I didn't personally call it that, but I'll admit I chuckled when I first heard it. however, laughing at something or saying something in private is quite a bit different than the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES calling it that. 
    i chuckled when i first heard it too. i was like "how bad can this thing be?"

    then i witnessed it first hand at work and then had a couple of friends lose parents to it, wasn't funny to me anymore after that.
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