Donald Trump
Comments
-
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
What if the Vietnamese who were tired of their uncles being sent to war dropped two nuclear bombs on Boston and New York to end it?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
That's honestly a silly analogy for so many reasons. First off, the Japanese were fighting a war of aggression that they started in the entire region.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What if the Vietnamese who were tired of their uncles being sent to the war dropped two nuclear bombs on Boston and New York to end it?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.0 -
He was 99th Infantry. I believe that was a Bragg unit. They were right on the front lines in Belgium and took the brunt of the offensive.mcgruff10 said:
Wow that's crazy. My grandfather was also at the Battle of the Bulge, who knows the two of them could have known one another.mrussel1 said:
My uncle, not grandfather. My GF was a soldier in the Polish-Ukrainian war. My uncle George was a marine. Interestingly, he went missing (or lost I suppose) on an island and was declared dead to his family. Then he was found and got right back into the action as it moved closer to Japan. My other uncle was captured at the Battle of the Bulge and spent the rest of the war in a stalag.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah my grandfather had just fought the Nazis and was training for the invasion of Japan. No way he was coming home alive.mrussel1 said:
I think we're on the same page here. My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine. He would have definitely been part of the invasion force. He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland. He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.Meltdown99 said:
The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate. When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time. She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.
Was your grandfather wounded in those battles?0 -
I'd say not stopping a war to stay in office feels kind of aggressive too.mrussel1 said:
That's honestly a silly analogy for so many reasons. First off, the Japanese were fighting a war of aggression that they started in the entire region.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What if the Vietnamese who were tired of their uncles being sent to the war dropped two nuclear bombs on Boston and New York to end it?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
So suddenly this about Nixon?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I'd say not stopping a war to stay in office feels kind of aggressive too.mrussel1 said:
That's honestly a silly analogy for so many reasons. First off, the Japanese were fighting a war of aggression that they started in the entire region.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What if the Vietnamese who were tired of their uncles being sent to the war dropped two nuclear bombs on Boston and New York to end it?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.0 -
That's what she said.mrussel1 said:
So suddenly this about Nixon?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I'd say not stopping a war to stay in office feels kind of aggressive too.mrussel1 said:
That's honestly a silly analogy for so many reasons. First off, the Japanese were fighting a war of aggression that they started in the entire region.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What if the Vietnamese who were tired of their uncles being sent to the war dropped two nuclear bombs on Boston and New York to end it?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
My grandfather was in Bastogne so he was with the 101st. I don't know much about what he did since he passed away when I was in second grade.mrussel1 said:
He was 99th Infantry. I believe that was a Bragg unit. They were right on the front lines in Belgium and took the brunt of the offensive.mcgruff10 said:
Wow that's crazy. My grandfather was also at the Battle of the Bulge, who knows the two of them could have known one another.mrussel1 said:
My uncle, not grandfather. My GF was a soldier in the Polish-Ukrainian war. My uncle George was a marine. Interestingly, he went missing (or lost I suppose) on an island and was declared dead to his family. Then he was found and got right back into the action as it moved closer to Japan. My other uncle was captured at the Battle of the Bulge and spent the rest of the war in a stalag.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah my grandfather had just fought the Nazis and was training for the invasion of Japan. No way he was coming home alive.mrussel1 said:
I think we're on the same page here. My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine. He would have definitely been part of the invasion force. He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland. He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.Meltdown99 said:
The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate. When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time. She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.
Was your grandfather wounded in those battles?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Would you think differently if the enemy had purposefully dropped bombs on your civilian family?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
If that doesn't fit the definition of atrocity I don't know what to tell you.0 -
When I was in college, I did a full interview with my Uncle Mike who was in Belgium. He gave me his whole war story, along with what he knew about George's (the marine) since he had already passed. So I have that audio recording and the transcript is in the Museum of Florida History.mcgruff10 said:
My grandfather was in Bastogne so he was with the 101st. I don't know much about what he did since he passed away when I was in second grade.mrussel1 said:
He was 99th Infantry. I believe that was a Bragg unit. They were right on the front lines in Belgium and took the brunt of the offensive.mcgruff10 said:
Wow that's crazy. My grandfather was also at the Battle of the Bulge, who knows the two of them could have known one another.mrussel1 said:
My uncle, not grandfather. My GF was a soldier in the Polish-Ukrainian war. My uncle George was a marine. Interestingly, he went missing (or lost I suppose) on an island and was declared dead to his family. Then he was found and got right back into the action as it moved closer to Japan. My other uncle was captured at the Battle of the Bulge and spent the rest of the war in a stalag.mcgruff10 said:
Yeah my grandfather had just fought the Nazis and was training for the invasion of Japan. No way he was coming home alive.mrussel1 said:
I think we're on the same page here. My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine. He would have definitely been part of the invasion force. He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland. He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.Meltdown99 said:
The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate. When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time. She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.
Was your grandfather wounded in those battles?0 -
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
So you are saying England and France started world war 2? The treaty of Versailles definitely helped hitler gain power but let’s put the responsibility on the guy who invaded countries and killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.0 -
Great minds think alike.mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.0 -
I blame Sweden for standing idly by....Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
Do you fully understand what the Japanese did to civilians? Read up on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 and let me know if you think they are still innocent.dignin said:
Would you think differently if the enemy had purposefully dropped bombs on your civilian family?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
If that doesn't fit the definition of atrocity I don't know what to tell you.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
comfort women in korea?mcgruff10 said:
Do you fully understand what the Japanese did to civilians? Read up on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 and let me know if you think they are still innocent.dignin said:
Would you think differently if the enemy had purposefully dropped bombs on your civilian family?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
If that doesn't fit the definition of atrocity I don't know what to tell you.
_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 149K Pearl Jam's Music and Activism
- 110.1K The Porch
- 278 Vitalogy
- 35.1K Given To Fly (live)
- 3.5K Words and Music...Communication
- 39.2K Flea Market
- 39.2K Lost Dogs
- 58.7K Not Pearl Jam's Music
- 10.6K Musicians and Gearheads
- 29.1K Other Music
- 17.8K Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
- 1.1K The Art Wall
- 56.8K Non-Pearl Jam Discussion
- 22.2K A Moving Train
- 31.7K All Encompassing Trip
- 2.9K Technical Stuff and Help